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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:06 AM

White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music

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SMH………Billy bada** when he has a gun, but a normal citizen when he is unarmed, does anyone not see the irony in this?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/27/1244411/jordan-russell-davis/


White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music By Scott Keyes on Nov 27, 2012 at 4:00 pm


Left: Jordan Russell Davis (1995-2012); Right: accused murderer Michael David Dunn Less than nine months after Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in central Florida, another black teenage student was killed under suspicious circumstances.

Michael David Dunn, a 45-year-old vice president of Dunn & Dunn Data Systems in Vero Beach, was in Jacksonville this past weekend for his son’s wedding. The Orlando Sentinel details what happened on Friday when Dunn, a gun collector, encountered Jordan Russell Davis, a student at nearby magnet school Samuel W. Wolfson High:

Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and several other teenagers were sitting in a sport utility vehicle in the parking lot when Dunn pulled up next to them in a car and asked them to turn down their music, Schoonover said.
Jordan and Dunn exchanged words, and Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice, Schoonover said. Jordan was sitting in the back seat. No one else was hurt. Dunn’s attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.

Schoonover also said that “there were words exchanged” between the two, and Dunn claims to have felt “threatened” before opening fire.

According to his father Ron Davis, the teenager died in the arms of his friend in the car. Ron said his son was unarmed.

Dunn was arrested at his home on Saturday and charged with murder and attempted murder. He is being held without bail.

Davis’s funeral will take place on Saturday, Dec. 1 and his parents plan to create a foundation “for at risk students that suffer from tragedies, in his memory.”

Since Dunn is claiming self-defense, Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which earned infamy after Trayvon Martin’s killing, could be at issue in this case. After Martin’s death, Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) appointed a task force to review the law that authorizes the unfettered use of deadly force in self-defense, but the panel didn’t recommend any significant changes.

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Reply White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music (Original post)
Mr Dixon Nov 2012 OP
Hoyt Nov 2012 #1
niyad Nov 2012 #3
bride of trollzilla Nov 2012 #11
leftynyc Nov 2012 #23
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #2
niyad Nov 2012 #4
Hoyt Nov 2012 #5
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #7
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #9
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #13
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #15
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #20
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #22
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #27
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #28
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #29
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #31
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #32
LeftinOH Nov 2012 #6
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #8
Hoyt Nov 2012 #17
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #18
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #21
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #25
Hoyt Nov 2012 #34
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #12
WI_DEM Nov 2012 #10
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #30
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #33
Hoyt Nov 2012 #35
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #36
Mr Dixon Nov 2012 #14
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #16
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #19
JCMach1 Nov 2012 #24
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #26
REP Nov 2012 #37

Response to Mr Dixon (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:27 AM

1. So-called "responsible gun owner" tragically kills unarmed teen who is sitting down. Jeez.


I guess we'll need to wait for all the "facts" before reaching a conclusion.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:33 AM

3. yes, a "responsible gun owner" who fled the scene, and even the county.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:14 PM

11. Yeah...

 

Like..um...if we are allowed to tell anyone anything anymore. From most comments, people think he was looking for a confrontation when he had the audacity to ask the young man to turn down that horrific noise. I have been there. I used to live where subwoofers would rattle our windows! Total ignorance. But a car full of four young men might have posed a risk. We don't know if they were strapped, now do we? And he wanted to make sure that he got out of there alive!

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Response to bride of trollzilla (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:06 PM

23. I suppose cranking up the window or

simply driving away was too much to ask of this responsible rocket scientist. He'll be lucky if he doesn't get the death penalty which he deserves.

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Response to Mr Dixon (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:32 AM

2. Those interested in this may want to check out the multiple prior posts

in multiple groups.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:34 AM

4. as one who has missed those previous posts, I thank the OP

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:36 AM

5. Despite your chagrin, it needs to be posted multiple times.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:05 PM

7. Chagrin? Hardly...many duplicate posts get this kind of response from me

Still a'hurtin I see

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:08 PM

9. well, the ones in GD got locked

the ones in LBN and RBKA are active...

but i'm pretty sure the case is cut-and-dried, barring some mystical shotgun magically appearing in the victim's truck after the police searched it...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:17 PM

13. Much better media blackout on this case

Police/AG are saying nothing of substance and the shooter is in jail.

I don't have a problem with FL SYG, since I understand what it is and is not legally. Most of the detractors are at a variety of levels of cluelessness.

Given this was a bad shooting and self defense is rejected, what will the detractors say? That it is a bad law even though the shooter was convicted.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:22 PM

15. There's been a good amount of detail out

in the Florida Times-Union and the local ABC affiliate...This guy's attorney is a hoot...

I personally DO have a problem with the SYG and similar laws, since too many assclowns try to hide behind it when they do something stupid in a blind rage (and it's no coincidence that the victim turns out to be unarmed in so many cases)...Yeah, their defense eventually fails and they'll get convicted, but that won't bring the victim back, will it?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:49 PM

20. It will be interesting to see their statements and the results of the searches...

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:02 PM

22. along with the shooter's blood test for drugs/alcohol...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:19 PM

27. I would put that under searches technically...

Be interesting to see how this case is handled by the PD vs Zimmerman. How fast were lessons learned and propagated. While I understand that the officers may not see any signs, taking blood blood sample is cheap and can prevent questions later.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:26 PM

28. This case will be MUCH faster and easier to handle

since there are numerous witnesses...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:28 PM

29. Hopefully true

If a bad shooting gets handled well, it should limit the noise being made about SYG when it is shown that it is not the "blood in the street" law that some have called it.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:39 PM

31. Yeah, Davis' parents will sleep well knowing this law "works"

and I have no doubt they will drop all their protests to the contrary...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:48 PM

32. The law that works would be those against murder

and given that violence is an integral part of the human condition, that is the best we can do.

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Response to Mr Dixon (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:53 AM

6. The few times I've dared to ask people to turn down their "music"

has resulted in me being told to "f*ck off". Generally, people who are unconcerned about how much noise they make aren't going to respond positively to requests to lower the volume. As much as I've fantasized about blasting their ass to kingdom-come, I wouldn't do it (nor do I have the means to do so). There is an ongoing trend regarding young people and their loud music.. wherein requests to lower the volume end in violence - on the part of one or both parties involved.

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Response to LeftinOH (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:07 PM

8. Where is my copy of the the 1812 Overture when I need it

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:43 PM

17. Gundude should have put his range earplugs in rather than shooting unarmed kids.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:46 PM

18. Illegal to drive with earplugs or earphones

Not that it doesn't happen every day.

Long time ago I once responded to a rude neighbor with bagpipe music. He kept it up late, and I started it early. Eventually he got the message.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:00 PM

21. His car would have been parked at the time, so it would be perfectly legal

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:15 PM

25. There is a whole lot of the story missing

It certainly does not sound like self defense at this point, the required precursor to SYG.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:51 PM

34. You guys always have an excuse for shooting someone. You are kidding, right?

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Response to LeftinOH (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:15 PM

12. Yeah, it's not like Dunn couldn't have just dealt with it

for the 3 minutes it took for his girl to run in and get a bottle of wine...It's not like he wasn't a teenager who liked to crank up the volume at some time in his life...

And based on what I've read of Dunn so far, I highly doubt he asked in a polite, respectful manner, too...I'm also betting Dunn wouldn't have said jack shit about the volume if he wasn't carrying...

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Response to Mr Dixon (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:10 PM

10. Self Defense? when the victim was in the back seat of one car...

and the murderer was in the front seat of his? If he was so 'threatened' why didn't he drive off?

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Response to WI_DEM (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:32 PM

30. stand-your-ground means he has no responsibility to flee if he feels threatened.

 



great law, huh?

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:49 PM

33. SYG also requires that the threshold required for self defense be met

which it does not look like it was

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:52 PM

35. Makes little difference to the dead kid and his family.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:03 PM

36. Nothing every brings closure to the parents when a child is murdered

Using it as a false front to attack things you disagree with is disgusting

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Response to Mr Dixon (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:22 PM

14. My Bad

Didn't know this was already posted.

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Response to Mr Dixon (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:30 PM

16. Don't worry, more people need to see it

Pay ProgressiveProfessor no mind...If the mods need to lock or merge it, they will...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:48 PM

19. I find it unfriendly to fragment the discussion

It would be better if hosts could transfer threads and then combine but they cannot

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Response to Mr Dixon (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:15 PM

24. Important to note the guy was arrested and 'currently'

being charged with 2nd degree murder according to local JAX stations...

That part is different from the Martin case at least.

Idiot with a gun, just the same.

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:18 PM

26. The other difference from the Martin case is

There are plenty of witnesses who saw the whole thing...

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Response to Mr Dixon (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:04 PM

37. Locking

This does not meet the SoP of this Forum. Locking.

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