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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:04 AM

A Grand Bargain is a Grand Betrayal: The Forgotten, Lonely World of Facts

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/11/27-5

"Facts are stupid things," Ronald Reagan once said, hilariously misquoting Founding Father John Adams, your typical elitist Enlightenment intellectual, who actually said, "Facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." But in the contest between the real world of John Adams and the fantasy world bequeathed to us by Ronald Reagan, stupid and stubborn are on both on the side of the latter... and the latter is winning, hands down, as can be seen in President Obama's pursuit of a so-called "grand bargain" that would cut far more in spending than it would raise in taxes. In the Reaganite fantasy world of Washington DC, Obama represents the left. In the real world? Well, take a look for yourself.

There is a political party in the United States whose presidential candidate got over 60 million votes, and whose members - according to the General Social Survey - overwhelmingly think we're spending too little on Social Security, rather than spending too much, by a lopsided margin of 52-12. The party, of course, is the Republican Party.

There is as an ideological label claimed by over 100 million Americans, who collectively think we're spending too little on "improving and protecting the nation's health", rather than spending too much, by a 2-1 margin: 48-24. The labelled ideology, of course, is conservative.

Combine the two categories and the two spending questions, and you find that a 51.4 percent of conservative Republicans think we're spending too little on either Social Security, health care or both. Only 28.7 percent think we're spending too much, and just 7.3 percent think we're spending too much on both.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:13 AM

1. Everyone on DU should read this

The basic story here is not Republicans vs. Democrats, it's the elites vs. democracy.

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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:14 AM

2. +1

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:20 AM

3. K&R

Reject Corporate Propaganda.

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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:36 AM

4. DURec

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:31 AM

5. every politician in DC should be forced to respond to this on camera

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