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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:33 AM

Great Lakes shriveling from drought + Mississippi River soon to be CLOSED

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Was reading two separate threads on DU -- and thought they belonged side by side.

Posted by Bozita in DU's Environment and energy:

As Great Lakes levels plummet, towns try to save harbors

November 27, 2012
As Great Lakes levels plummet, towns try to save harbors
By John Flesher - AP Environmental Writer

Onekama, Mich. — For more than a century, easy access to Lake Michigan has made Onekama a popular place for summer visitors and a refuge for boaters fleeing dangerous storms. Now the community itself needs a rescue, from slumping lake levels that threaten its precious link to open water.

The Great Lakes, the world's biggest freshwater system, are shrinking because of drought and rising temperatures, a trend that accelerated with this year's almost snowless winter and scorching summer. http://www.democraticunderground.com/112729447

and then this, posted by xchrom in the same DU Environment and Energy forum:


Obama Urged to Declare Emergency for Mississippi River

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-28/obama-urged-to-declare-emergency-for-mississippi-river.html

Shippers and lawmakers are pressuring President Barack Obama to declare a federal emergency along the Mississippi River, citing potential “catastrophic consequences” in the Midwest if barge traffic is curtailed by low water on the nation’s busiest waterway.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/112729467

NB - Photo updated to comply with reality

An aerial photo of the Mississippi river shows sandy areas where water had been before the drought. The river's levels are now nearing record lows.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/19/drought-sends-mighty-mississippi-river-levels-near-record-lows/

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Reply Great Lakes shriveling from drought + Mississippi River soon to be CLOSED (Original post)
Berlum Nov 2012 OP
Berlum Nov 2012 #1
Kolesar Nov 2012 #2
Berlum Nov 2012 #3
MineralMan Nov 2012 #4
A HERETIC I AM Nov 2012 #5
MineralMan Nov 2012 #7
gollygee Nov 2012 #8
Berlum Nov 2012 #9
MineralMan Nov 2012 #10
Berlum Nov 2012 #11
MineralMan Nov 2012 #12
Berlum Nov 2012 #13
hunter Nov 2012 #14
gollygee Nov 2012 #6
Berlum Nov 2012 #15

Response to Berlum (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:37 AM

1. Rush Limpaugh (R) says the weather is fine in his climate-controlled mansion

"This is not happening. Smirk. This is, um, just more latte-drinking liberal spew. Smirk. Why I'll have you know that I am just as comfortable as can be in my palatial 1% Republican Palace. So there you have it. Pay no attention to this Grim Reality Climate Change News. Just keep listening to me (smirk) and watching Fox (R), and keep on voting Republican (1%) and this will all go away. Trust me." - Rush 'Draft-Dodger' Limpaugh (R - Propagandist, inc.)

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Response to Berlum (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:08 AM

2. Dredging the St.Clair River lowers the pool of Lakes Huron and Michigan

A control structure at the outlet to Lake Huron could restore the levels, but it is controversial. The lake level would then be a political issue.

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Response to Berlum (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:06 AM

3. Monitoring Reality 2012

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Response to Berlum (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:08 AM

4. Your photo is of the Salton Sea in the California desert.

What does that have to do with the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River, I wonder?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:11 AM

5. Not many mountains that tall in the upper Midwest, are there? n/t

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:13 AM

7. Yah. That was my first clue.

And then, that photo is pretty famous, really. I lived in California for most of my life.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:14 AM

8. LOL

I remember on the old Northern Exposure when they'd show Grosse Pointe (when Maggie would visit her parents) and they had mountains. Uhm, no, that isn't Michigan. ROFL.

There are some smaller mountains in northern Michigan, but not like those.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:22 AM

9. Gives an image of Impending Reality

Here's a current, local pic as you wish...easy to produce a boatload more...



In this Nov. 16, 2012 photo, a stranded pontoon boat is docked at the eastern end of Portage Lake in the village of Onekama, Mich. Unusually low water levels on the Great Lakes are causing problems for boaters in small harbor towns such as Onekama, which is linked to Lake Michigan by a man-made channel.

As Great Lakes plummet, towns try to save harbors November 27, 2012

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/11/27/environment/great-lakes-plummet-harbor-towns/

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Response to Berlum (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:24 AM

10. See. I knew there were actual photos of what

you were talking about. I live on the Mississippi river, and have seen the low levels. I'm near a lake that is drying up. There are plenty of dramatic photos that can be used. If you use photos that are not anywhere near the subject of your discussion, you lose an opportunity.

The Salton Sea has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:27 AM

11. Same planet.

But I will replace the photo of that environmental travesty, with a current photo of the Environmental Travesty du Jour.

Yours for reality (most of the time), B.

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Response to Berlum (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:29 AM

12. The Salton Sea is not an environmental travesty.

It's a below-sea-level salt lake. Its level has been fluctuating for a very, very long time.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:33 AM

13. Nov. 1: Looming Crisis at Salton Sea

Lake been gulping Ag Chem Runoff up the wazoo...

http://isun.blogs.mydesert.com/2012/11/01/federal-lawmakers-dont-put-money-where-the-salton-sea-is/

The sea, California’s largest lake, is slowly dying as its salinity increases. Its shrinking shores are expected to be increasingly exposed

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:16 AM

14. "The Salton Sea has nothing to do with..." well, not yet anyways.

If it gets dry enough it's possible the lakes *could* become closed basins.

That would be unpleasant.

So long as the U.S. economy remains capable, I think the construction of major control structures to regulate lake levels is inevitable.

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Response to Berlum (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:13 AM

6. Climate change deniers need to wake up!

I live in Michigan and can see this, and a family member who also lives here is among the deniers!

It is finally getting really cold here where my kids need hats and gloves at recess, and it's the end of November. We usually start getting cold days like this by Halloween. And it isn't just this year - it's been the past several years. Things are definitely changing. But when we FINALLY start having some snow, the climate change deniers will be on Facebook saying, "Yeah and we have global warming. LOL." As if we wouldn't get cold in winter in Michigan regardless of whether there is some global warming. They won't believe it until it's warm in January and the lakes are gone.

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Response to Berlum (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:45 AM

15. 2012 Drought photos galore

DES MOINES, IOWA Scientists are saying that due to climate change caused by greenhouse gases, Iowans should brace themselves for more bad weather like the 2012 drought.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57552058/iowa-scientists-climate-change-caused-the-drought/

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