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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:17 AM

The Hobbit

Go see this movie and keep New Zealand working.

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brettdale Nov 2012 OP
eShirl Nov 2012 #1
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #6
Recursion Dec 2012 #20
RudynJack Nov 2012 #2
eShirl Nov 2012 #3
RudynJack Nov 2012 #4
eShirl Dec 2012 #21
JI7 Nov 2012 #8
RudynJack Dec 2012 #9
JI7 Dec 2012 #13
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #17
Hekate Dec 2012 #15
eShirl Dec 2012 #22
WCLinolVir Dec 2012 #26
tama Dec 2012 #27
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #40
Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #5
Electric Monk Nov 2012 #7
LeftyMom Dec 2012 #10
GReedDiamond Dec 2012 #11
Marr Dec 2012 #12
Aristus Dec 2012 #42
Hekate Dec 2012 #14
tedzbear Dec 2012 #16
tama Dec 2012 #28
Earth_First Dec 2012 #18
Hekate Dec 2012 #23
cali Dec 2012 #30
Howler Dec 2012 #33
Myrina Dec 2012 #36
cali Dec 2012 #43
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #41
Aerows Dec 2012 #19
Hekate Dec 2012 #24
Aerows Dec 2012 #25
tama Dec 2012 #29
Aerows Dec 2012 #31
Hekate Dec 2012 #34
MuseRider Dec 2012 #32
Avalux Dec 2012 #35
Myrina Dec 2012 #37
eShirl Dec 2012 #38
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #39

Response to brettdale (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:21 AM

1. I will see all three movies

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Response to eShirl (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:36 AM

6. Movies? Plural? Do I understand correctly that he's cut The Hobbit up into three

 

separate films?

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:17 AM

20. Yes, it includes Gandalf's journey to the tower and Moria

Peter Jackson is not known for his brevity.

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:22 AM

2. You mean go see

three movies - two of which are unnecessary - and keep New Line flush with cash?

How does New Zealand benefit from me seeing this? They've already reaped the benefits of this movie - the local caterers aren't paid on spec.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:31 AM

3. As long as Jackson keeps turning the studio's money into more money,

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they will keep giving him money to make movies, which he likes to do in NZ.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:58 AM

4. Ah, ok

Well, given that, I'd rather spend my money on a director who'll spend his money in the US.

And I've been to New Zealand and I love it. But I won't spend my money for the express purpose of making sure another country benefits. I may see the Hobbit... waiting for the reviews. But I'll definitely see Lincoln. Spielberg needs to know he has the support to make another movie /sarcasm.

Do you think Peter Jackson's future relies on what DUers do re: The Hobbit? The series will make billions regardless of what I do.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:19 AM

21. No.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:45 AM

8. how necessary they are depends on how good/bad the movies will be

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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:41 AM

9. You really don't

feel taken advantage of by turning a small book into three movies?

Maybe it's just me. I think it's crass Hollywood cash-generating cynicism at its worst.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:12 AM

13. clips show Galadriel who wasn't in the Hobbit

my guess is the film will include things we know from LOTR . it's not just straight from the Hobbit.

i might feel taken advantage of if the movies suck and it does seem like they include a bunch of things or drags on just so they could have more than 1 or 2 films.

but if it's done right and entertaining i would be happy about 3.

also, you don't have to watch the movies if you feel that way at this point. wait until the reviews and if they suck don't watch or wait until you can rent it or watch on tv.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:58 AM

17. Spoilers (if that's neccessary)

The Hobbit does have Gandalf leaving the group, after the episode with Beorn if I remember correctly, to go and take part in the White Council's attack on the Necromancer (ie Sauron) in Dol Guldur, and Galadriel was in the Council, even if she wasn't mentioned in The Hobbit. So they may be just filling things that were background in The Hobbit - which are conveniently action-filled and suitable for large screen special effects.

And, even more than LOTR, The Hobbit is lacking female characters, so I'm not surprised they've brought Galadriel in. The Hobbit makes the Republican party look gender-balanced.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 04:09 AM

15. No. Peter Jackson did an outstanding job with LOTR

I'm sure his version of The Hobbit will be as good.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:30 AM

22. I felt taken advantage of by Rankin/Bass's The Hobbit

And Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings.

Jackson did well enough with The Lord of the Rings that I expect The Hobbit will be worth seeing.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:43 PM

26. Yeah, he's milking it alright.

I only forgive him because I like what he did with the first three.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:34 AM

27. No

 

The main fault of the Lord of the Rings is that it is way too short. Fans and Tolkien Geeks accept Jackson to carry the mantel and wish more and more goodies to gawk.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:31 PM

40. Not at all- In fact I am happy they are doing it

The more details they can include, the better it will be.

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:23 AM

5. The 3 LOTR movies were one hell of a fucking rush and EXCELLENTLY executed.

Fuck, yes, I'll go see the Hobbit movies. In the theater even.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:40 AM

7. Of the original Tolkein books, The Hobbit was always my favorite.

I will definitely see that one in theater. Really looking forward to it.

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:47 AM

10. I'd only be interested for the Star Trek preview. And that's only in IMAX,

which I can't watch without getting sick.

Tolkien bores me, sorry.

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:50 AM

11. The exact moment I clicked on this thread...

...there was a commercial on TNT for The Hobbit.

I have TNT on (via Dish), with Total Recall playing in the background.

I was not aware of The Hobbit movie until that exact moment.

I know my girlfriend will wanna go see it.

So we will.

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:04 AM

12. I kind of wish they hadn't made the Dwarves look so goofy, but...

... I understand that the 13 characters have to be easily distinguishable. Can't wait to see it.

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Response to Marr (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:46 PM

42. I love what they've done to give the dwarves some individuality.

Because there were so many of them, and so few have anything more than a sketchy personality profile in the book, the screenwriters had to do some close studying of the book, and the LOTR books, as well in order to develop screen personas for them.

For example, Tolkien mentions that one of the dwarves (I can't remember who right now) is hard of hearing, so Peter Jackson portrays him with an ear trumpet. The dwarf Ori had hardly any description in "The Hobbit". However, in "The Fellowship Of The Ring" novel, he is mentioned as knowing a number of different languages and alphabets. So Peter Jackson gave him a prop book and portrays him as a scholar. That is kind of cool for a Tolkien geek like me.

One thing I initially objected to was the notion of "hot dwarves". Fili and Kili are the youngest dwarves, and are played by young, good-looking actors, probably to bring in more women to the theaters. And that's fine; but Tolkien went out of his way to portray the dwarves as being very coarse-featured, and unattractive by human standards (even dwarf women have beards, etc.)

There will be things that many people find objectionable. Bombur, the fat dwarf, is evidently the comic relief. But I'm looking forward to the films, and, based on my affinity for the LOTR films, I expect to enjoy "The Hobbit".

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 04:06 AM

14. All 3 LOTR movies were superb. If The Hobbit is as good...

... I will be extremely happy. Peter Jackson et al. were amazingly faithful to the books, and the changes they made (for instance updating a couple of the female roles, thank you) were spot on.

I am currently reading The Hobbit to my 8 y.o. grandson, and plan to take him to see the movie when it comes out. We tried to buy advance tickets today, but only the midnight show on the 14th is on sale yet.



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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:27 AM

16. Talk about padding the script to make more money!!!

At least one movie worth of filler and possibly one and a half. Hollywood sure is shameless at exploitation.

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Response to tedzbear (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:37 AM

28. Jackson has very little to do with Hollywood

 

you meant to say "New Zealand film industry sure is shameless at exploitation". But don't expect Tolkien fans to complaint...

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:00 AM

18. I hear you can almost hear souls of all the animals cruely abused in the special thanks credits n/t

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:35 AM

23. You base this statement on what evidence?

Please proceed.

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Response to cali (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:38 AM

33. I saw that on the news too Cali.

And has much has I love the Lord of the rings Movies I'm seriously thinkin about abstaining from the Hobbit because of it.

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Response to cali (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:08 PM

36. ... and the folks who made those claims were fired from the production team TWO YEARS AGO.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:32 PM

43. bullfuckingshit, honey: From the article YOU linked:

A spokesman for Jackson's production company has confirmed that the deaths of two horses were "avoidable and we took steps to make sure it didn't happen again."

Mark Stubis, a spokesman for the AHA, said that his group did inspect the farm but that the deaths highlight a loophole in their oversight of the use of animals on film sets.

"We would love to be able to monitor the training of animals and the housing of animals," Stubis said. "It's something we are looking into. We want to make sure the animals are treated well all the time."

At the center of the controversy are allegations brought by wrangler Chris Langridge, who was hired as a horse wrangler in December, 2010 but quit just two months later after injuries to two horses resulted in one having to be euthanized. Langridge characterized the facility as being full of "death traps."

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:33 PM

41. I would love to see your reasoning behind that accusation.

Edit: I just found the link. Very sad.

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:15 AM

19. I can't wait to go see it

It was a phenomenal experience for me to see all three of them in the theater. I remember the rush I got during the scene in the Two Towers where they are going down the river and pass the statues of the kings. It was fantastic to see all of it come to life.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:18 AM

24. The opening minutes of The Fellowship pulled me in at once

And when the camera brought us in to The Shire, it was everything I ever imagined it would be.

I first read the books the summer of 1965, along with a whole generation of my peers. (Not that I ever actually discussed it with anyone -- I grew up a solitary F&SF reader, so never knew who else might even be interested.) However, the fan base for the books became enormous over time, and we had wanted a production of this caliber for decades and decades. Peter Jackson did not disappoint.

I saw each of the episodes in the theater several times, knowing I wouldn't get another chance to see it on the big screen. The audiences differed -- when I went with my retired movie-buddies, we had a mix of older and college-age viewers (time of day + proximity to the university). One of the times I saw Two Towers it was a matinee absolutely stuffed with teenaged boys (after school, downtown theater). They were adorable in their enthusiasm -- the ones in the row in front of me were overcome with admiration when Legolas leapt onto his horse, cape swirling.

Not sure why various respondents in this thread are so aggrieved at the thought of a filmmaker making money, nor do I understand why -- since none of them are apparently fans of LOTR in the first place -- they feel called upon to attack the number and presumed quality of The Hobbit films. They don't have to go see it -- not anyplace, not any time. It's their loss -- but it might be polite on their part to leave the topic alone.

Hekate

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Response to Hekate (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:23 PM

25. I just saw the advertisement for it

beautiful. and they should leave the topic alone. It is amazing . Can't say anything else.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:40 AM

29. "Extended" versions are much better

 

than those cut for movie audiences. I would have wanted to see the real "extended" versions in movie theater... boohoo

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Response to tama (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:18 AM

31. I have all three of them

it's like 9 hours of wonder. I would have loved to see them in the theater, too!

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Response to Aerows (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:20 PM

34. Just before LOTR3 came out I got to see the others again on big screen

My husband taught at the local college and one of his colleagues quietly arranged to use one of the lecture theaters that had a movie screen over a weekend -- a strictly non-profit endeavor, I think we all chipped in for pizza and other snacks. So on that Saturday we saw The Fellowship and on Sunday, The Two Towers, and in the following weeks we individually made our ways to local movie houses to see The Return of the King. What a great idea.

I revisit my DVDs at home every couple of years or so. Nine hours of wonder...

Hekate

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:15 AM

32. Can't wait to see them. n/t

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:01 PM

35. As mentioned in another reply, I can't go see it since animals died.

I am a Hobbit/LOTR fan, the books are a big part of my childhood. However, knowing that animals used in the films died due to unsafe conditions that Warner Bros. was fully aware of - can't do it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57551648/hobbit-farm-had-animal-death-traps-that-killed-as-many-as-27-handlers/

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Response to brettdale (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:30 PM

39. This was my introduction to fantasy novels

I was maybe 7 or 8 years old.

I cried my eyes out in the theatre during the opening scene of LOTR, the Shire just came to life.

I am really looking forward to seeing the hobbit and I am really confident that it will be well done

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