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Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:44 PM

misogyny vs misandry

in view of various posts here in du--I decided to check the dictionary definitions, and found this to be very interesting:


mi·sog·y·ny
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noun
hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.


mis·an·dry
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noun
hatred of males.

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Reply misogyny vs misandry (Original post)
niyad Nov 2012 OP
ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #1
Cerridwen Nov 2012 #2
Lionessa Nov 2012 #3
GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #4
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #6
IDoMath Nov 2012 #5
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #7
Igel Nov 2012 #19
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #22
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #8
x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #9
tledford Nov 2012 #10
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #11
eppur_se_muova Nov 2012 #20
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #12
Cerridwen Nov 2012 #13
IDoMath Nov 2012 #16
Cerridwen Nov 2012 #17
IDoMath Nov 2012 #18
Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #21
GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #14
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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:47 PM

1. Whoa

That is interesting.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:49 PM

2. Etymology

misogyny (n.)
1650s, from Mod.L. misogynia, from Gk. misogynia, from misogynes "woman-hater," from miso- (see miso-) + gyne "woman" (see queen).



misandry (n.)
1878, from miso- "hatred" + andros "of man, male human being" (see anthropo-). Related: Misandrist.



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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:52 PM

3. Yep I was just reading the misogynistic male terms and thought, "HUH!"

 

Still the idea gets across either way and the discussions worth having.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:54 PM

4. I'm just a misanthrope and curmudgeon

I mistrust everyone equally.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:08 PM

5. What am I missing here?

 

I can see the lack of symmetry in the definitions but the implications elude me. I'm kind of guessing that the definition for misogyny is more modern due to recent academic work on the concept which might account for the more refined definition. help?

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:21 PM

19. Yup.`

Nobody wants to be a misogynist. The connotation is sharply negative.

But if you smear the definition, the connotation remains. You can get the same kind of visceral reaction by calling a mild mistrust misogyny as calling a serial axe-murderer a misogynist.

"More modern" and "refined" are pointless terms here. One is still true to its etymology and has a more restricted definition; the other has had its meaning extended.

We do the same things with words that have a sharply negative connotation to us. "Racist" and "sexist" come to mind. The "other side" plays the same linguistic game with words that they find negative--"socialist", for example. It's all a game to use connotations to drive logic. Sadly, it often works, esp. with those who "feel" things instead of understand them.

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Response to Igel (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:52 PM

22. Oh lord. I illustrated that this "extended" definition is an outlier.

Most dictionaries are even-handed in their definition. I suggest you do your own research and check my posts and links.

Quite simply, you took the connotations of the OP (who laughably enough abandoned the thread) and "felt" something rather than logically explored the subject.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:25 PM

8. Oxford Dictionaries says this...

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/misandry
Misandry: the hatred of men (i.e. the male sex specifically).

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/misogyny?q=misogyny
Misogyny: the hatred of women

What was the point of your OP?

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:28 PM

9. "Misanthropy"

 

is the more commonly used term for hatred of men, I believe.

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Response to x2 vancouverite (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:30 PM

10. Misanthropy

is the hatred of *mankind* rather than men or an individual man.

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Response to tledford (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:34 PM

11. Yep. People often conflate "man" and "mankind" I think that's why the Oxford Dictionaries

(see post #8) includes this in their definition of misandry: (i.e. the male sex specifically).

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Response to x2 vancouverite (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:05 PM

20. Greek distinguishes between "andros" (male) and "anthropos" (person) ...

English "man" does not allow the same distinction.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:37 PM

12. Merriam -Webster defines each term thus:

(This is the same post as self-deleted #6 which I posted in the wrong place.

Misandry: : a hatred of men
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misandry


Misogyny: a hatred of women
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misogyny

So does the Free Online Dictionary
Misandry: : Hatred of men
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misandry

Misogyny: Hatred of women
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misogyny

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:46 PM

13. "misandry" is not included in my dictionary.

Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary - 1993

It's not even in the list of words showing the use of "mis-"



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Response to Cerridwen (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:52 PM

16. So? It's an obvious construction

 

mis - a prefix denoting hatred, wrongness and/or disgust

gyn - a particle denoting female
anthrope - a particle denoting humankind
andro - a particle denoting male

You connect them together

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:00 PM

17. 1993- not in common use.

A recently resurrected word from the 19th century.

I like books. I keep old books including dictionaries. I like to see how things change and how many things are hidden, obscured, denied, evolve, change, grow.

The re-writing of history is fascinating, horrifying, enlightening to watch.

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Response to Cerridwen (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:21 PM

18. Oh, I see. OK, that is interesting.

 

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Response to Cerridwen (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:43 PM

21. The history of misandry...

http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2011/02/misandry-word-its-origin.html

It seems that it's use was heavily targeting suffragists and feminists. (Thus, it's current revival.)

I personally feel that the word had to be coined in order to separate it from misanthrope. For many millennia, only men were considered persons or humans so misanthrope worked just fine to describe a hero's or anti-hero's distaste for the company of men. With the rise of the suffragist & feminists movements in the 19th century, certainly a word needed to be coined in order for the status quo to try to make sense of their activism.

"Women want to vote, eh? What's their problem?

- "Well, you see, they hate men."

"Ah, got it."


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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:47 PM

14. That's some serious nit.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:51 PM

15. And an outlier nit at that. The OP had to bypass several other dictionaries that treat those words

equally (see my previous posts).

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