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Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:30 PM

Why is Schumer attacking the far left on CSPAN

He just gave a lovefest to the GOP who said they were open to some revenue (including Graham), then went to say that both the far right and far left are bad (what far left?) and that we need to compromise.

I understand that he is trying to bash Norquist, but was this necessary.

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Reply Why is Schumer attacking the far left on CSPAN (Original post)
Mass Nov 2012 OP
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #1
Octafish Nov 2012 #11
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #12
GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #2
Enrique Nov 2012 #4
JoePhilly Nov 2012 #8
Enrique Nov 2012 #13
JoePhilly Nov 2012 #16
Enrique Nov 2012 #24
JoePhilly Nov 2012 #27
Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #31
JoePhilly Nov 2012 #32
dionysus Nov 2012 #26
JoePhilly Nov 2012 #28
GiaGiovanni Dec 2012 #41
dchill Nov 2012 #3
jody Nov 2012 #14
dchill Nov 2012 #17
JDPriestly Nov 2012 #40
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #35
jody Nov 2012 #36
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #37
jody Nov 2012 #39
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #5
dchill Nov 2012 #18
jody Nov 2012 #6
dchill Nov 2012 #19
jody Nov 2012 #20
dchill Nov 2012 #25
jody Nov 2012 #29
GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #7
joeybee12 Nov 2012 #9
kentuck Nov 2012 #10
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #34
Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #15
truebrit71 Nov 2012 #21
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #22
Oilwellian Nov 2012 #23
mercuryblues Nov 2012 #30
marmar Nov 2012 #33
MadHound Nov 2012 #38

Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:32 PM

1. Remember that my senator likes to be liked by people. He has a big ego.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:38 PM

11. Rich people.

Very, very, very rich people.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:42 PM

12. I do not know what kind of money he has. They don't talk about that here in ny. He never gets

challenged.

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:33 PM

2. The agreement has already been made behind the scenes. The theater we are watching is just to

 

bring us along.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:39 PM

4. yes, last year

the deal that the GOP rejected last year, I think they are going to take this year. Something like 3:1 spending cuts to tax cuts. And then of course after they get their massive spending cuts they will come back later and get their tax cuts back.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:25 PM

8. When you are wrong ... will you post and admit it?

The politics of last year are not the same as they are now.

Do this ... make a PREDICTION ... be specific. Tell us what you think the deal will look like, and when it will happen.

Its easy to predict doom and gloom with no details ... so please, provide the details of what you see coming.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:42 PM

13. I'm already "wrong"

if by "wrong" you mean something I was afraid was going to happen didn't happen, then I am already "wrong," twice. I was afraid Obama and Boehner would reach their grand bargan during the debt ceiling talks. That didn't happen. Then when they kicked it to the Simpson-Bowles I was afraid that would result in a bad deal. Again, it didn't happen. Now I'm afraid the fiscal cliff will be their opportunity to cut it.

They're never going to stop trying to cut Social Security and Medicare. Every year those programs are still in existence, I will be "wrong" because they haven't succeeded yet.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:51 PM

16. Just make your prediction.

You seem sure that Obama is going to kill them ... so make an actual prediction.

You see the fiscal cliff as an "opportunity" for Obama to cut it. So PREDICT THAT. Explain how it will happen, explain WHY he will do it.

Absent that, you are the boy who cried wolf.

Oh, btw ... your time line is wrong ... Simpson-Bowles (which did nothing) came before the "grand bargin" (which also did nothing). If you are going to describe the doom that did not happen, at least do it in the right order.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:08 PM

24. i should have said the super commission

not Simpson Bowles. I guess I forgot another time I was "wrong", because I also thought Simpson Bowles would result in entitlement cuts.

Why he would do it, is a lot of people want it to happen. Have you watched TV? Everyone is drooling over the prospect of a grand bargain. And a lot of rich people, some of whom gave Obama a lot of money and others who didn't, all of whom Obama might want to please, really really want it too. When so many people want you to do something, that is a reason you might do it.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:13 PM

27. What political gain would Obama get?

You are babbling. "Lots of TV people want it so maybe Obama will do it."

Is that really the best you could come up with?

What you described is the rationale for why a teenager might do something.

Please try to describe the political rationale for Obama doing what you claim he wants to do. What does he get?

Obama does not need any more money from those who contributed to his campaign, he can't run again. SO that part of your argument fails.

Got anything else?

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:40 PM

31. Lots of "tv people" wanted Mitt to be president, too.

Wait a minute...BRB.



Yeah, I checked it out.

That didn't happen, either.



If I had a dollar for every time Social Security was predicted by some here to have been gutted in the last four years by Obama, Id have more money than Karl Rove blew in a losing effort.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:52 PM

32. Exactly ...

I recently told one of them ... one of those who spent Obama's first term predicting that Obama would kill Social Security, that if Obama LOST, they're prediction was a total failure. And that his re-election allows them to maintain their failed prediction.

They hate that.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:09 PM

26. the prediction would be "obama bad obama bad" ad nauseum...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:14 PM

28. Yup ... another Manufactured Outrage Widget hits the shop room floor.

Obama has not done the bad thing, so that is a clear indication that he plans to do that bad thing.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:36 PM

41. Sounds exactly right

 

Welcome to American austerity. Our economy is being deliberately imploded.

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:36 PM

3. "Far left?" There's a far left? Where?

Oh, he must mean those ill-advised folks who oppose cutting so-called entitlement programs. Those goofy dreamers on the "far left" who have no banks behind them.

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Response to dchill (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:42 PM

14. Or what does "Far Left" mean? I'm not sure that many would accept Wikipedia's definition

 

although some posters here on DU seem to embrace it:
The far-left (also known as the extreme left, radical left and ultra left) refers to the highest degree of leftism in left-wing politics. The far left seeks the creation of strong or complete social equality in society and the dismantlement of all forms of social stratification. It seeks to abolish all forms of hierarchy, particularly to end unequal distribution of wealth and power. The far left seeks the complete equalization of the distribution of wealth, and a society where in theory everyone is to be provided with equal economic and social opportunities in life and where no one will have excessive power or wealth over others.

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Response to jody (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:52 PM

17. Nah... Far Left means simply this...

To the left of moi.

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Response to dchill (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:36 PM

40. To Schumer, it may mean people who want to protect Medicare, Social

Security, Medicaid and Food Stamps from budget cuts. I wouldn't be surprised if that is who he is talking about.

Schumer is a Democrat, but he is from New York. He has to please Wall Street to get elected. It's sad, but it is what it is.

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Response to jody (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:40 PM

35. Oh, that :"far left" -- it was smashed to pieces in its organized forms in the late 1940s and

 

1950s by HUAC and McCarthyism.

Now all that are left are a few 'far leftists,' like myself and a few others here on DU and in some of the fringe 3rd parties.

See also "red baiting".

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:09 PM

36. What is your purpose in using "red baiting"? It detracts from the OP. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:11 PM

37. Schumer is the one doing the 'red baiting' by attacking a mythical 'far left' that

 

no longer exists.

He can't come out and say "Communists" and "Communist sympathizers" (even though that's what this 1%er probably thinks and means), b/c to do so would open him to charges of McCarthyism.

Instead, Schumer trots out the shibboleth of the 'far left' as though there is any such organized political force left in this country. I wish there were a far left in this country with real political power. Then 1 out of 5 children would not be living in poverty. Kee-rist.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:19 PM

39. Thanks nt

 

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:49 PM

5. because the center right Democrats hate the Democratic base.

They particularly hate the fact that this election was a CLEAR REFERENDUM ON AUSTERITY, and we voted NO!.

TPTB picked up the morning after the election pushing the exact fiscal policies, minus (sort of) the continuation of the tax cuts for billionaires, that Romney was selling us.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:54 PM

18. Just like the center-right Republicans...

Need the T-baggers. Just like that.

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:51 PM

6. A rule of politics is compromise to get a one vote majority but no more. Are we there yet? nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:56 PM

19. Not in the filibustering Senate, we're not.

41% rules.

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Response to dchill (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:58 PM

20. I understand but what goes around, comes around and we Democrats might someday find the filibuster

 

useful.

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Response to jody (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:08 PM

25. I'm just advocating a return to the...

ACTUAL filibuster. Where you actually have to show up and filibuster.

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Response to dchill (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:15 PM

29. Makes sense to me and Mr. Smith. nt

 

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:21 PM

7. With a name like Schmuck

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:25 PM

9. Because he's Chuck Schumer (D-Wall Street) nt

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:33 PM

10. Before he became he a big shot in the Senate...

He used to be a populist in the House. I have no idea what he is anymore?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:35 PM

34. "I have no idea what he is anymore? "

He is this:
Committee Assignments:
Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs
Finance
Judiciary
Rules and Administration, Chairman

Whose top donations have come from banks, specifically Securities & Investment... $2,813,364

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00001093

so any Congress person wanting to write a bill that would affect the banks, would see that bill end up in the Banking and/or the Finance Committee.
In 2012, the entire BankingHousing and Urban Affairs Comm. had a total of these
Finance/Insur/Rea Estate donations:
PACS :$11,763,241 Indiv.$30,705,022
(covers both Repug and dem. members)

https://www.opensecrets.org/cmteprofiles/overview.php?cmte=SBAN&cmteid=S06&cycle=2012

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:46 PM

15. It's showbiz and centrist politicians kissing each others butts sells.

In the words of my dear old, gray haired, Irish Socialist granny, "Fuck 'em".

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:01 PM

21. The most dangerous place in the world is the space between Chuck Schumer and a live microphone...

...

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:04 PM

22. He probably wants to egg that minimum from $250,000 to a million. nt

PB

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:04 PM

23. He's just catapulting the progranda

It's only the far left who is concerned about cuts to the safety net programs. We've been hearing that from the right for quite some time now, and it's no surprise to see Wall Street's boy spewing their shit as well. Of course we all know, a large majority of the country does NOT want to see cuts to those programs.

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:30 PM

30. It's whay they do before the cave in

Start harping about the "professional left" and wanting ponies.

It seems to me that the Dems are falling for the repukes line that they lost because they weren't conservative enough. Further to the right we move...

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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:54 PM

33. Corporate shill Schumer has made no secret of his disdain for the left.

nt


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Response to Mass (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:11 PM

38. Because Schumer, like most other Democratic leaders,

 

Wants the left to disappear in between elections. We on the left are wanted for our votes, but the Democratic party doesn't want to acknowledge, must less do anything for the left in this country.

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