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Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:02 PM

Mr. President: STAND YOUR GROUND...

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Reply Mr. President: STAND YOUR GROUND... (Original post)
Playinghardball Nov 2012 OP
JanT Nov 2012 #1
peace13 Nov 2012 #2
quinnox Nov 2012 #3
msongs Nov 2012 #4
woo me with science Nov 2012 #5
RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #7
woo me with science Nov 2012 #8
RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #9
ProSense Nov 2012 #11
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #13
Liberalynn Nov 2012 #17
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #27
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #21
woo me with science Nov 2012 #34
leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #6
WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #10
AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #12
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #16
Panasonic Nov 2012 #29
AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #37
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #14
Liberalynn Nov 2012 #15
Faryn Balyncd Nov 2012 #18
kentuck Nov 2012 #19
markpkessinger Nov 2012 #23
Cha Nov 2012 #20
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #22
LineReply .
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #24
CakeGrrl Nov 2012 #25
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #26
kentuck Nov 2012 #28
sellitman Nov 2012 #30
doc03 Nov 2012 #31
woo me with science Nov 2012 #32
forestpath Nov 2012 #36
rudycantfail Nov 2012 #33
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #35

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:06 PM

1. K&R

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:06 PM

2. Proceed Mr. President....

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:08 PM

3. Please, no caving. You WON.

 

The repubs don't deserve shit. Don't negotiate with fiscal terrorists.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:19 PM

4. he is not "wedded" to any of his stated positions. weasel wording nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:19 PM

5. How pathetic, when we are reduced to begging a Democratic President not to HARM the poor.

All the rhetoric is being set up to praise the President if he merely *refrains* from taking this or that additional bludgeon to the poor and middle classes.

This is how far we have been suckered to the right. We drown in a sea of platitudes about austerity, validation of Republican framing and lies, from neoDemocrats, as though we should be grateful and consider it a great victory if we can just elicit from our Democratic President a promise not to ATTACK us in one way or another. We are suckered to welcome and celebrate a new round of austerity, as long as we get a promise that *certain* attacks on the poor and elderly may not be included.

We are urged to be grateful for the withholding of a specific blow, but convinced that the larger beating is inevitable.

What we are owed is a complete change in rhetoric and in direction. We are owed passionate, public acknowledgement of the truth about how we have been looted and robbed and impoverished for 30 years, with all of our wealth going to a few greedy pigs at the top. And we are owed a clear plan not just to refrain from certain types of further assaults on our mothers and fathers and grandparents and children and neighbors and friends, but to REVERSE the crimes that have already been perpetrated on millions of us.

Instead, we are fed more garbage right-wing rhetoric about "shared sacrifice" and taught to be grateful if we are merely spared certain particular, additional swipes of the axe.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:29 PM

7. +10000000

 

you should post this as an OP.

WE need to do so much more that just reverse the Bush tax cuts.

Why are we letting the Republican party's most corrupt losers ever & the most absurd corporate media full of lies and propaganda the world has ever seen....lead the discussion after WE WON THE ELECTION?

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Response to RepublicansRZombies (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:51 PM

8. Yup. Why is the White House allowing it?

And Congressional Democrats? Time to let go of the denial. We have a problem, and it is not just with Republicans.

And the only answer to it is to RAISE HELL.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:02 PM

9. "We have a problem"- exactly!

 

and exactly!
"And the only answer to it is to RAISE HELL."


We cannot wait and see what they might do...

We need to verbally tar and feather their asses into doing what we want them to do in a preemptive strike right now!

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:05 PM

11. "Any politician who tells the American people there aren't going to be any sacrifices for everybody

...is a liar."



Why do they keep saying that? The fiscal cliff point is spot on.

The Bush tax cuts expire in exactly five weeks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021889729

"How pathetic, when we are reduced to begging a Democratic President not to HARM the poor."

Imagine how Japanese Americans felt in the 1940s.

Remember: "Make me do it."

That's how it works..that is unless you think after the election citizens should do like Romney and go to Disneyland?

Advocacy, activism and pressure works wonders.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:28 PM

13. I LOVE that video! eom

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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:35 PM

17. I agree with him

The ones who screwed it up should clean it up

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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:13 PM

27. I agree 100% with your video- so I'm assuming you didn't watch it before posting it.

Do you agree with Dean's message?

PB

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:00 PM

21. It is pathetic. And, how many of us have to beg him before the White House will even hear us?

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:01 PM

34. Never confuse hearing with giving a damn.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:23 PM

6. you won NOW ACT LIKE IT

 

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:02 PM

10. I'm Completely Baffled Why This ...

...would even be an issue. There are no words to describe how I (and many others) would feel of the President caves on this issue. These safety nets are the hallmark of our party and define us.

I know that there are some DU members that find this position extreme. That only tells me that they have no idea what it means to be a Democrat.

I am already scared that the President will negotiate these safety nets away. If he chooses to do this, I will flood this board with criticism until I am removed.

There is no compromise when it comes to the programs that put the people ahead of the filthy rich.

Paige

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:15 PM

12. The Democrats hold all the cards

INCLUDING public opinion. All the republicans have are threats of destruction. Let the republicans play their game of chicken. It will haunt them in 2014, and they will fold in the end.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:31 PM

16. The Republicans have a well-oiled propaganda machine - U.S. Media.

Only now progressives are breaking through with the evening line-up of MSNBC and CurrentTV, and the event of social media. Republicans have more money and heavily gerrymandered districts since 2010. Democrats (under Obama) have a stronger marketing strategy that we will need in order to force our message out.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:20 PM

29. The US media is becoming more and more irrelevant.

 

Thanks to Twitter and other social media, I think people have figured out the Republicans and the Republicans act like it's approaching the Dark Ages.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:05 PM

37. Their propaganda should not stop the Democrats

That's a 'give up before you try' attitude.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:28 PM

14. We have your back. Please stand your ground. nm

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:29 PM

15. Tweeted this

I like it

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:42 PM

18. That's why you were elected.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:55 PM

19. Why shouldn't he stand his ground?

What do you think he is - a Republican?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:07 PM

23. I have sometimes wondered . . . n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:43 PM

20. Who said he wasn't?




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Response to Cha (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:04 PM

22. If he hadn't established a reputation for caving, your Photoshop would have more credibility.

 

From that look in the original photo, it may be that he was actually criticizing liberals and progressives.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:07 PM

24. .

 

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:08 PM

25. Oh, please. He didn't CAVE last time.

It's really annoying when the blogosphere thinks it knows better than this POTUS about what it takes to play the long game in Washington.

The 'cave' meme is ignorant. IT proves people weren't really paying attention to what happened in 2010. Reading David Corn's breakdown might help - if people wanted to actually KNOW.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:10 PM

26. Look: President Obama just doesn't give that much of a shit about Medicare/Medicaid in...

...the first place.

If you have ANY doubts, watch this segment from last night about the President's Senior Advisor:


This is the Senior Advisor to the President!



PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:18 PM

28. We are gonna get screwed !

Big time!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:25 PM

30. Word!

Without a doubt!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:38 PM

31. I saw Senator Claire McCaskill on TV just a few minutes ago

suggesting means testing of Medicare. Why are Democrats coming up with compromises while the Republicans are going the other way? WE WON THE ELECTION They already means test SS, if you have a total income including SS, pension and/or IRA of just $34000 for a couple or $25000 for a single the additional income is taxed along with your SS. I have to pay a higher income tax rate than the 1% does on that additional income. Now they talk means testing Medicare will that mean those of us that went on strike and sacrificed for a good pension or worked our ass off to save for retirement will be penalized again?

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:31 PM

36. +1

 

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:58 PM

33. Playinghardball: DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME

 

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:20 PM

35. If he intended to stand his ground, he could easily tell us so right now.

 

Instead, he is making no objection while Sen Durbin and others are out as his proxies to lower the expectations of the American public.

He wants to cave. The only question is how much and how fast.

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