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Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:00 AM

Jane Harman new CIA Director?

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This is a strong possibility.

I usually just spread news I hear, this time, I have an actual source that has the scoop. Jane Harmon may have been told she will get this position. Don't know a ton about her, but she'll surely outrage the Right.

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Reply Jane Harman new CIA Director? (Original post)
Johnny2X2X Nov 2012 OP
Mass Nov 2012 #1
Odin2005 Nov 2012 #2
hlthe2b Nov 2012 #3
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #23
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #40
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #24
Johnny2X2X Nov 2012 #4
Skidmore Nov 2012 #7
Johnny2X2X Nov 2012 #13
godai Nov 2012 #28
Enrique Nov 2012 #14
Hekate Nov 2012 #29
Johnny2X2X Nov 2012 #32
Hekate Nov 2012 #34
kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #5
countmyvote4real Nov 2012 #6
godai Nov 2012 #26
Hekate Nov 2012 #31
kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #37
MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #8
Cicada Nov 2012 #9
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #10
godai Nov 2012 #30
cascadiance Nov 2012 #42
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #43
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #11
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #12
kentuck Nov 2012 #15
bigdarryl Nov 2012 #16
bigtree Nov 2012 #17
EC Nov 2012 #18
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #22
KamaAina Nov 2012 #19
CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2012 #20
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #21
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #35
kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #39
KoKo Nov 2012 #45
Zorra Nov 2012 #25
Little Star Nov 2012 #27
Coyotl Nov 2012 #33
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #44
Coyotl Nov 2012 #46
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #48
Coyotl Nov 2012 #50
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #57
Johnny2X2X Nov 2012 #36
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #38
flashsmith99 Nov 2012 #41
lunatica Nov 2012 #47
butterfly77 Nov 2012 #49
sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #51
Cleita Nov 2012 #52
TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #53
Cleita Nov 2012 #56
Johonny Nov 2012 #54
leveymg Nov 2012 #55
Raine Nov 2012 #58

Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:02 AM

1. They will probably be happy if it is the case. I doubt it though.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:04 AM

2. Will never happen, the CIA is a white male Christian ol' boys club.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:04 AM

3. No... She's a Joe Lieberman type (of Democrat)...

the RW will be just fine with her. Not sure about the CIA, though

As for me,
BLEH.....

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:29 PM

23. She is to the Left of Joe. But she is definitely a Centrist. I don't have issue with her being

appointed to lead the CIA. I would like to see Jim Webb or Wesley Clark at Defense, I think both will find ways to cut that department's budget efficiently and won't raise hairs doing it.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:19 PM

40. How is she to the left of anything? When was she ever? Show us.

Remember, we're talking about CIA - not a domestic agency. So her domestic or social politics don't matter.

Tell us ways in which she ever deviated from the full-Cheney neocon program that would show she is to the "left" of anyone. When did she oppose a military program? A war? A proposed covert action? An escalation? A provision like the Military Commissions Act or the 2012 NDAA Sec. 1021-22? When did she contradict a lie about Iran? A lie about Iraq? (Afterwards doesn't count.)

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:32 PM

24. Harman has extensive intelligence experience. The CIA should be fine with her because

many of the permanent people there have testified before committees that Harman was on. She is pretty well respected in intelligence circles. My guess is that Panetta recommended her.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:09 AM

4. Source

My source said he heard her tell her dinner companions this last night, that she will be named the New CIA Director.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:24 AM

7. And you are who that anyone should believe you and your "source?"

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:22 PM

13. Nobody special

But, my friend did in fact here a conversation that indicated she is getting the job.

Take it or leave it. We'll know if my source was right soon enough.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:49 PM

28. Good response. Thanks for the rumor. n/t

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:24 PM

14. she seems a little chatty

for a potential CIA director. Did she have a few cocktails maybe?

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Response to Enrique (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:55 PM

29. That does seem a little odd for someone as experienced as she

I tend to doubt the source of this secondhand gossip -- the source may have his own agenda.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:13 PM

32. According to him

Her friends were openly asking her about it and her response was "ahem, I can't discuss it at this time" with a big shit eating grin on here face. It was pretty obvious that she was with friends and they were out celebrating.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:21 PM

34. She "can't discuss it at this time"? That was the Big Reveal?

Uh, Johnny, that was politics. Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies.

And then one of those friends blabbed, and the rumor took off.

We'll see.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:12 AM

5. I hate her...........

 

and am mad at Lynn Woolsey for helping her.


In Congress, Harman is known as a hawkish Blue Dog. The Almanac of American Politics (sub. req’d) describes her record as “the most conservative of Democrats from Los Angeles.” She was challenged from the left in recent elections by the progressive Marcy Winograd, who criticized Harman over her support for the Iraq war and general backing of post-9/11 surveillance and security methods put in place by the Bush administration.


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/report-jane-harman-leaving-congress-special-election-coming.php

Lynn Woolsey who was in the Progressive Caucus helped Harman instead of Marcy Winograd. Yea I have heard "we help incumbents it's what we do."

Well fuckin stop it, blue dog dems are worse than the GOP & deserve nothing but ________ (fill in the blank).

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Response to kooljerk666 (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:16 AM

6. I agree.

Bleh.

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Response to kooljerk666 (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:47 PM

26. Me too. n/t

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Response to kooljerk666 (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:07 PM

31. "Blue dog Dems are worse than..." sheesh. Leave purity tests to the GOP

Please.

House of Reps seats are by district. Districts -- even when not gerrymandered -- tend to be largely conservative, liberal, or centrist. The people who win elections there reflect that.

Are you following the logic here?

Take Michelle Bachmann (please). A liberal Democrat has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning her seat away from he in her district. However, a Blue Dog Democrat might. And then the Dems would have one more seat in the House.

Still with me?

So which would you rather have? Michelle Bachmann or a putative Blue Dog Democrat? A batshit crazy Tea Party loyalist and birther, or someone you can conceivably work with?


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Response to Hekate (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:22 PM

37. I'd rather be screwed by the enemy team, thanks..............

 

Blue dogs are tools that alleged "liberal" dems use to screw the population.




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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:40 AM

8. The CIA director is by definition a sleezebag, so this fits

 

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:42 AM

9. On national security she's from the Dick Cheney wing of Democratic Party

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:53 AM

10. "Outrage the right?" She is the right!

Besides that professionally "the right" specializes in being outraged at all things done by anyone who is not officially "the right," it's absurd to imply Jane Harman is somehow on "the left" simply due to party affiliation.

Jane Harman's 2008 financing:

Top 5 Contributors, 2007-2008, Campaign Cmte and Leadership PAC
Contributor Total Indivs PACs
Northrop Grumman $32,000 $17,000 $15,000
Blue Dog PAC $20,000 $0 $20,000
Physical Optics Corp $19,000 $19,000 $0
Boeing Co $17,500 $2,500 $15,000
Edison International $17,250 $7,250 $10,000

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?type=C&cid=N00006750&newMem=N&cycle=2008

Sadly she was not in the end swallowed up in the AIPAC spying scandal of a few years ago.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/the_harman-aipac_story_a_timeline.php

- Among the worst Democratic enablers and in fact cheerleaders of the Bush regime
- Among the worst of the total homeland non-stop terror-panic propaganda warriors
- Among the top 5 recipients of campaign cash from military-industrial contractors
- Always all the way with Pentagon and CIA
- I believe the absolute richest member of Congress
- "Blue Dog" PAC favorite
- Remember H.R. 1955, the Jane Harman Thought Crimes Act of 2007? Okay, I made up the title, it was called the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007" and actually passed the House 403-4 before stalling.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5502013#5503984

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:57 PM

30. Yet she gets some support here.

Are these people unaware of the Bush years?

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:50 AM

42. I hate to say this, but I'd almost favor Ron Paul in this position over her...

At least Paul has been shown for valuing more public accountability of wrongdoing in the intelligence industry, unlike Harman of the past. And in a position like that, he'd be less able to affect policies where Libertarians could be damaging to our government. In my book, that would be more "bipartisanship" in a better direction, if Obama wants to have that in his administration.

Check out articles like this and ask yourself if you REALLY want someone like her leading our intelligence efforts...

http://www.salon.com/2009/04/20/harman/

And in her efforts to stop the NY Times from publishing an article on wiretapping, and succeeding in blocking it until after the election, might have helped Bush get reelected in 2004.

http://www.alternet.org/story/137698/confirmed%3A_rep._jane_harman_tried_to_kill_nsa_wiretapping_story_--_may_have_swayed_2004_election

In my book, Harman is NOT a Democrat! She's as DINO as it gets!

Just say NO to her nomination. I remember being thankful that she didn't get the nomination earlier when Leon Panetta got it instead, and he wasn't that great himself. Articles on the decision early on to hire Panetta over Harman when she was pushed by the Blue Dog/corporatist establishment earlier...

http://www.meforum.org/blog/obama-mideast-monitor/2009/01/why-obama-passed-over-jane-harman-for-cia

http://my.firedoglake.com/phoenix/tag/cia/

And as someone misspelled her name as Harmon, I'd like to say that she's anything but "Charmin' J. Harmon" (as Bloom County's character was called after a local Iowa City DJ when I lived there).

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:22 PM

43. Obviously. It's one of the few places where Paul could do some good.

I hope people look at those links. I was unaware of her involvement in the great NYT delay on revealing the Bush warrantless wiretapping program (part of TIA 2.0), which was a key influence on the 2004 election result. Disgusting.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:57 AM

11. Also, it's Harman, with two a's.

Sources with inside information should at least be able to spell the name.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:07 PM

12. I distrust OP's that don't spell the name of the person correctly: "Jane Harman" - n/t

 

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:25 PM

15. The right loves her.

She is the very worst candidate for the job.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:27 PM

16. She's a FUCKING BLUE DOG!!! we don't need anymore of them

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:30 PM

17. she's an establishment, conservacrat

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. . . likely a bone to allow Rice to gain the number of republicans needed for her advancement. Harman is a defense industry darling. Smart lady, and a strong advocate, but she's been a 'moderate' on defense and foreign policy matters. I'm not sure where the 'outrage' will come from, but I can't see the 'right' opposing her in any big way.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:46 PM

18. She's a hawk.

So yeah, I believe it.

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Response to EC (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:25 PM

22. She is a centrist. nt

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:54 PM

19. Ick.

FAIL.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:20 PM

20. Oh, GAWD, NO.

I thought we were rid of her.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:24 PM

21. Harman is a centrist democrat and longtime Congresswoman. She led the House Intelligence

Committee and was a longtime ranking member. She is highly qualified.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:30 PM

35. She is a pro-war extremist.

"Centrist" is a bullshit label, often used to disguise extremists when they happen to be the establishment.

She also got herself involved as an accomplice in the AIPAC spying scandal.

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Response to kooljerk666 (Reply #39)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:35 PM

45. +1 .....What an awful pick she would be...

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:46 PM

25. Oh, please, no! Maybe those conspiracy theories about secret prisons were true after all.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:48 PM

27. Say it ain't so.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:20 PM

33. In Congress she hasd been strient about oversight and reporting.

This would be a move in a very different direction than Petraeus and at the same time, also an outsider to the CIA.

This seems unlikely on the face of it. I'm sure she's not the most experienced person for command of secret wars.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:24 PM

44. She's as much a CIA "outsider" as Bush Sr. was in 1976.

She's madame carte blanche, and doubtless compromised to the hilt. Will make a perfect tool in the hands of the operations division.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:52 AM

46. Bush Sr. was CIA long, long before.

A Conn. Yankee goes to Texas to start a petroleum company and names it for a revolutionary hero. Think about it for two seconds! Oil platforms in the gulf are notorious, law-free zones for operations.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:41 PM

48. And in what way has Harman ever failed to be CIA?

She is as owned by this mob as anyone in Congress ever was. Does it matter what the precise nature of her affiliation is? If she's a mere fan, in what way has she ever deviated from the narrow interests of protecting this organization and giving it everything possible?

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #48)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:37 PM

50. Why the rant?

You might want to take a closer look at the facts.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:14 PM

57. I know about Bush.

And just like he was from the milieu, so too Harman - whether or not either was ever official.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:32 PM

36. Hmm

Sucks most on here don't like her, I had no idea who she was before I got a text from my friend. When I talked to him he described what he heard. Nothing more than that from a good friend.

From what I hear, I hope the group was just blowing smoke and it's not going to happen.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:24 PM

38. Interesting idea, but she is to the right of many democrats.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:46 PM

41. She was outed by Sibel Edmonds

How can she possibly be under consideration? Brad Blog

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:55 AM

47. Didn't she want to pass some asinine legislation about people thinking a few years ago?

If she did this makes total sense. The CIA has done much research on people thinking. Especially the mind control type of thinking. It would be a perfect fit.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:47 PM

49. No.

The right loves her she is a bluedog who,always goes along with the republiCONS and their buzzword for her is: "Terra"terra"Terra"!!! and she'll jump right in line.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:39 PM

51. Female Joe Lieberman, war monger, Dino.

Do we not have any Progressives in this party? Why are all the names being put forward either Republicans or like Harman, Republican Lite?

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:48 PM

52. I know of her and she is a New Democrat type (slightly left of center),

but I don't know what kind of experience she has to bring to the CIA. I thought she was lawyer.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #52)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:34 PM

53. What center is that Cheney or Reagan?

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #53)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:08 PM

56. Probably Reagan. LOL!

Yes, we know the center has moved way to the right.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:52 PM

54. Sounds good to me

she was always strong on support my industry and her district.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:58 PM

55. Jane was forced to resign her seat on the Intel Comm. after FBI recorded a talk w/ the Mossad Chief

in Washington in which she promised to "waddle into" the OSP-AIPAC spy case and get charges reduced. In exchange, she delivered a favor to the Bush Administration of voting for its surveillance Bill. She is regarded as an agent of influence for Israel, but was never prosecuted. See below.

While I've seen this CIA appointment rumored, it makes no sense that she'd now be considered for CIA Director.

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/04/20/on_jane_harman_aipac_the_nsa_etc

For those of you coming in late: Jeff Stein at Congressional Quarterly has a bombshell story that the NSA monitored a 2005 conversation between Rep. Jane Harman and a suspected "Israeli agent," in which Harmon allegedly said she would "waddle in" to the ongoing AIPAC espionage case to get the charges reduced in exchange for AIPAC's help in helping her retain her influential position on the Intel Commmittee. Stein also reports that Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez later quashed a DOJ investigation into this incident in order to secure Harman's support for the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping program.

If true, this incident is another vivid reminder of the problems created by the "special relationship," to include the web of connections between pro-Israel lobbyists, politicians who are beholden to them, and (allegedly) Israeli intelligence.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:21 PM

58. UGH, she was my congresswoman, I thought I had seen the

last of her ... please say it aint so.

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