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Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:17 PM

People Without Facebook Accounts Are Deemed 'Suspicious' -- Forbes

Beware, Tech Abandoners. People Without Facebook Accounts Are 'Suspicious'

-- Kashmir Hill, Forbes

The sudden and dramatic advent of social-media-enabling technologies into our lives seems to be causing some mid-digital-life crises. Not only has Silicon Valley developed a guilty conscience about addicting us to screens, we the users are starting to question how technology is changing us: making us fat, making us unhealthy, making us depressed, making us lonely... That’s leading some users to consider abandoning the whole enterprise. My colleague Haydn Shaughnessy gave up his smartphone last year. Now, inspired by the example of former Facebooker Katherine Losse, he’s considering giving up Facebook.

I am writing with some words of caution. I used to say that "if you're not on Facebook, it's possible you don't actually exist." I think it’s time to update that, courtesy of Slashdot: Facebook abstainers will be labeled suspicious.

Slashdot flagged a German news story in which an expert noted that mass murderers Anders Breivik and James Holmes both lacked much of a social media presence, leading to the conclusion, in Slashdot’s phrasing, that “not having a Facebook account could be the first sign that you are a mass murderer.”

I’m seeing the suggestion more and more often that a missing Facebook account raises red flags. After a woman found out via Facebook that a man who’d ‘poked’ her in real life had a long term girlfriend, she turned to digital manners advice givers Farhad Manjoo and Emily Yoffe of Slate to ask whether she should tell the girlfriend. They said she should and then went on a digression about transparent romances in the age of Facebook:

Farhad: I think we’ve mentioned it before that if you are going out with someone and they don’t have a Facebook profile, you should be suspicious.

Emily: Wait a minute. You may have mentioned that.

Farhad: I think I’ve recommended that. You know why, though? Imagine if this guy didn’t have a Facebook profile. That’s why. You should be suspicious of someone who is not making your relationship known publicly on a site like Facebook. I’m going to go on record with that.

Emily: I’m fine with people not having a Facebook page if they don’t want one. However, I think you’re right. If you’re of a certain age and you meet someone who you are about to go to bed with, and that person doesn’t have a Facebook page, you may be getting a false name. It could be some kind of red flag.

via Transcript : Facebook stalker - "Should I tell a cheating guy's girlfriend that we hooked up?" -- Slate Magazine

The idea that a Facebook resister is a potential mass murderer, flaky employee, and/or person who struggles with fidelity is obviously flawed. There are people who choose not to be Facebookers for myriad non-psychopathic reasons: because they find it too addictive, or because they hold their privacy dear, or because they don’t actually want to know what their old high school buddies are up to.

Anecdotally, I’ve heard both job seekers and employers wonder aloud about what it means if a job candidate doesn’t have a Facebook account. Does it mean they deactivated it because it was full of red flags? Are they hiding something?

But it does seem that increasingly, it’s expected that everyone is on Facebook in some capacity, and that a negative assumption is starting to arise about those who reject the Big Blue Giant’s siren call. Continuing to navigate life without having this digital form of identification may be like trying to get into a bar without a driver’s license.

“You can’t get away from it. It’s everything. It’s everywhere,” she told the Washington Post. “The moment we’re in now is about trying to deal with all this technology rather than rejecting it, because obviously we can’t reject it entirely.” Well, you can, but it might lead to your being rejected down the line too. **Updated to include some reasons why a person might choose not to be on Facebook, beyond being too busy planning commando attacks.

* Craigslist Ad: 'You're Only Real If You Have A Facebook Account'

* Another update: Haydn responds (and critiques)!

* A follow-up story: You Don't Need A Facebook Account To Be Considered 'Normal' (But It Helps)

* Also, check out the replies...


Milx writes:

It’s very “popular” nowadays to hate Facebook among the counterculture, counterculture but just because your friends are useless on Facebook doesn’t mean that Facebook is not a big part of peoples’ lives in this day and age, especially among the younger crowd that uses this networking.

-If you want to ask someone out, you can know immediately if they’re already with someone or available using Facebook.

-Many people don’t have time to keep up with many people at once, or have multiple social circles that are all completely disconnected. For example, I’ve moved 20+ times in my life, so I have social circles from each of these places I lived and I don’t have time to call each and every one of these people individually to make sure we still have a relationship. However, a relationship is maintained by comments on statuses and by being aware of what’s going on in the others’ life.

-Facebook has become an incredibly easy way to plan events. Free to invite, can easily get the information out about an event you would like people to go to, and instant so you can know who’s coming to your party or other event immediately. It can be used to contact hundreds of people at once. One of my friends just made a status a few days ago about having an extra ticket to a concert, and wanting to go with someone. Without Facebook, she would have had to contact each person she was willing to go with, see if they enjoyed the band, was free, and wanted to hang out. Instead she opened the opportunity to reconnect with old friends that she hadn’t talked to in a while...

Maybe you’re just too…old for Facebook, honestly. This is coming from the point of view of a 19 year old college student at a top 20 university, (and) I recognize that within my age group Facebook is nearly essential to socializing. I do know a few people that don’t use Facebook. I also know that I would like to contact them, but considering I didn’t assume they don’t use Facebook when I met them I don’t have their phone numbers and because they reject Facebook I have no way to contact them. People I would like to see I end up never seeing because they don’t use Facebook. I also end up having to recount my entire life every time I see someone who doesn’t use it, because they don’t see status updates or changes...

Keep in mind that Facebook is only as good as your friends. If you have crappy friends that only post useless things, then you would have a bad Facebook experience. If you have higher quality friends who use Facebook as a social networking tool, then your experience is far improved and it becomes more essential to your life.

Norman Jeter replies:

To refer to facebook as an “essential” part of Life is really kind of sad. Yes, it is a large part of many people’s lives. Guess what though, it doesn’t need to be! it wasn’t an “essential” part of anyone’s life pre-myspace, if you wanted to see what your friends were up to, you’d call them up and they’d call up other friends and they would call up others and you would all meet up somewhere and hang out and INTERACT PHYSICALLY with one another.

Also pointing out the fact that you are coming from the point of view of a 19yo is about as pointless as anything. You were born into technology. You are practically Borg. You have no history of life BEFORE the internet. Only Vague memories of phones with cords on them and Cellular phones you could kill a horse with. This is coming from a 35yo Network Administrator, who, btw, does have a facebook page but thinks updating my status every 15minutes is just plain retarded. I have managed to reconnect with a few friends from my past, but mostly I use it for the fact that it has a single signon function for many pages that I visit regularly. I, in fact, have NEVER updated a status on my Facebrik page.. even once.

Simply put, pull your head out of the facebook cloud and actually go an interact with people! “soanso is now doing something retarded!” is not interaction.. Try Shaking someone’s hand, or talking to them without using your thumbs. you may find it pretty rewarding!

Milx replies:

I understand that people drop Facebook for various reasons. What you don’t understand is that that makes no difference to my point whatsoever. It doesn’t make a difference to the point that in my age bracket, using Facebook makes everything a million times easier and more convenient. When people around my age don’t have a Facebook it usually ends up with them becoming more socially isolated, due to all the easy ways to keep in contact through Facebook. Either that, or they’re already socially isolated so see no need for it. I know why the few friends I have that don’t have Facebooks don’t have them, and none of them were citing business practices as their reason... That was the point I was making, that for people around my age, not having Facebook is a serious decision that actually has a lasting effect on your social life.

I’m not speaking for your age bracket, or your social group. I’m speaking for mine, and expressing the flip side of “FACEBOOK IS DUMB EVERYONE ON IT IS STUPID HURR”

schmoe replies:

This is hilarious. I’m in your age bracket and I remember being very young and very fond of computers and especially the internet before it gained critical mass. It was an absolute nightmare trying to convince anyone that this stuff wasn’t “just for nerds”. Things like IRC where you could have actual, immediate conversations were looked at as weird and creepy. People don’t even remember the older social sites like xanga, bolt or friendster. What was popular? Ad plastered AIM and MSN. Same damn thing as ICQ, which they would’ve never touched.

Now the same people that were confused and wary of technology are calling other people creepy for not using the same technologies they once labeled nerdy. I guess this is because of the general culture shift to elevating prepackaged nerdiness as defined by TV shows. Now you can be a nerd too by just pressing big icons on a smartphone. Ain’t life grand?

Some people have moved on, some people want privacy, and some people just don’t give a damn about you waiting in line for a burger.

Lao Tsu writes:

I do believe you’re one of the sanest people, I’ve encountered on the net.

Thank you for seeing this stuff in context of reality, not in context of internet hype.

Leaving FB isn’t a cry for help, it’s a choice to use time better and lose petty schoolyard, drama queens and stalkers.

The funny thing is the increased social acceptability of very creepy behaviour by people and companies on social networks.

Despite all the additional political correctness in the world, the lack of social correctness and sociopathic behaviour of people on the web is amazing….not trolls, ordinary people.

Related:

Facebook, Smart Phones An Unprecedented Tool For Law Enforcement Data Collection

Using Twitter To Help Expose Psychopaths

Is Facebook Making You Lonely?

Facebook Can Tell You If A Person Is Worth Hiring

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Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 OP
NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #1
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #2
NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #6
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #8
Shankapotomus Nov 2012 #22
Quantess Nov 2012 #9
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #54
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #26
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #56
Lars39 Nov 2012 #3
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #5
Lars39 Nov 2012 #7
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #13
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #31
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #51
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #4
Confusious Nov 2012 #14
X_Digger Nov 2012 #34
Berserker Nov 2012 #10
ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2012 #45
SheilaT Nov 2012 #11
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #12
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #15
JaneyVee Nov 2012 #16
frylock Nov 2012 #47
green for victory Nov 2012 #17
Raine Nov 2012 #18
onethatcares Nov 2012 #19
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #20
Frank Cannon Nov 2012 #29
kydo Nov 2012 #21
Phentex Nov 2012 #24
Skidmore Nov 2012 #23
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #25
FrodosPet Nov 2012 #27
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #38
Wind Dancer Nov 2012 #59
pecwae Nov 2012 #28
drm604 Nov 2012 #30
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #32
MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #58
ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #33
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #50
KoKo Nov 2012 #65
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #66
Solly Mack Nov 2012 #35
spanone Nov 2012 #36
Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #37
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #62
Romulox Nov 2012 #39
demokatgurrl Nov 2012 #40
Xyzse Nov 2012 #41
Odin2005 Nov 2012 #42
CJCRANE Nov 2012 #43
dawg Nov 2012 #44
reflection Nov 2012 #46
GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #48
IDemo Nov 2012 #49
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #52
lastlib Nov 2012 #53
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #55
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #61
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #63
Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #67
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #69
MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #57
left on green only Nov 2012 #60
KoKo Nov 2012 #64
Zorra Nov 2012 #68
IDemo Nov 2012 #70
shanti Nov 2012 #71
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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:20 PM

1. Talk about your Peer Pressure...

K/R

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:24 PM

2. The real question is: how much like Facebook is DU, message boards, and offline getting?

I spoke to an offline DU acquaintance and he said that discussion boards like DU were obsolete because people don't want to communicate with a mass of people they don't know and can't be entirely sure they agree with. I.e. people don't want to communicate outside their own social circle, so they don't make any friends who are not like them. We are bowling alone.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:31 PM

6. I agree with that observation and might, then, recommend...

...establishing a FB group.

I've done this with DU members, with daily exchanges among our 26 (or more) members.

It's a private group so I can't expand on the details, but it is more immediate.

So is Twitter. Have we tried Twitter?

Keep in mind, FaceBook members often don't know how to keep two identities, Family and Political, same with Twitter, but FaceBook seems to elicit greater enrollment and participation.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:42 PM

8. Wait now, wut? Well... um... I might be interested...

Last edited Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:15 PM - Edit history (5)



Well... I AM on FB...

I'm not very active... for the reasons so expertly and hilariously stated by TwilightGardener... nevertheless...

I would be interested.

GOD WHY DID IT
"Anything but the butterflies.png"
HAVE TO BE FB

Part of my issue is my reluctance to use FB for substantive discussions, which even aside from the data-mining can then be viewed by any, say, distant Republican relative that is logged on to wish me happy birthday (although I suppose one could create an alternate account). For the average sheeple who are raised to not speak out about politics since independent thought is intensely unpopular, this is not a problem for them... Admittedly there is a certain degree of publicity in posting on any blog, but not really because everything we say about politics on DU is meant to be a) public and b) pseudonymous or, if we're posting under our name, the equivalent of public comment in a public soiree, I guess. Why can't there be a model for an alternative to FB that is more like traditional online discussion boards and groups. Nevertheless, I would be interested...

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:49 PM

9. I disagree with your acquaintance.

Facebook conversations are limited in a way that discussion boards like DU are not. The anonymity frees people up a bit.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:05 PM

54. Agree. I don't share my DU handle with friends for that reason(not that they really care).

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:14 AM

26. "Offline"? Is that the new word for "in real life"?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:19 PM

56. You mean IRL?

I'm only on IRL part of the time. I'm AFR (Away From Reality) at least when I'm dreaming

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:24 PM

3. Must be a campaign to counter all the people leaving Facebook.

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:31 PM

5. Well, like AOL wanted

They do seem quite eager to share their wealth of user data with the highest bidding entities while they still have it.

But my real problem with Facebook is how it's set up... consider the fact that Facebook and Twitter pages are now both hidden from nonsubscribers, creating a subscriber-model Internet, like the days of Prodigy and Compuserve, but minus the original content and sense of community.

Social networks as they are presently set up (according to critics like the film The Social Network, explicitly to cater to the enemy, i.e. those horrible cliquish people you tried to get away from in college) are in fact anti-community... since they seem to be geared to broadcasting as much info as possible about the user while limiting social interaction to "friends" creating a shallow society of spectacle.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:35 PM

7. I, uh, don't know about the particulars...

I'm one of those non-existent people mentioned.

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:11 AM

13. No real particulars :-)

Just pointing out that AOL tried to do the same thing years ago. They called it Eternal September...

Google's trying to do the same thing too, I guess... turn the Internet into its own subscriber service

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:53 AM

31. I did not realize that about AOL.

"Eternal September" sounds like a "pets rest" place.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:50 PM

51. September 1993

The date AOL subscribers were unleashed upon the Internet.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:30 PM

4. Interesting. I have never had a FB account. I assume that the

new "maybe there's something wrong with you" stigma of not having an account is to make those of us who have resisted finally give in, under threat of this new form of peer pressure. I just don't want to deal with people I used to know but no longer care about and will never see again. I don't want to have to interact with, and be polite to, my husband's extended family members all the damn time--posting responses and "likes" and acting like I care if someone's cousin's niece is potty trained and likes to help mommy frost Christmas cookies. I never used to have to care about this shit, why do I have to plug into this world now?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:49 AM

14. I have an account

I mostly ignore it.

It's useful sometimes, but I got other things to do.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:22 AM

34. Exactly. If I wanted to keep in touch with so-and-so from high school..

I would have kept in touch. The fact that I haven't? Means I really don't give a shit.

I actually do have a facebook account, but I only have 40 or so "friends". My profile, posts, etc are as locked down as FB will let me make them. Only 'friends of friends' can add me, only friends can see my activity, I block every app that pops up in my feed, and hide every 'suggested post' that shows up.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:49 PM

10. Fuck facebook

 

I actually hate that shit. Some sites you click on want you to have a facebook account to even see the site. I will never sign up. Facebook can blow me.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:06 PM

45. That was my first thought reading the OP: FUCK FACEBOOK! eom

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:53 PM

11. I have a FB account, but I almost never post anything on it.

I mainly use it to keep track of a handful of friends and relatives. It's possible I have my privacy settings so high that no one can see anything anyway, although I suppose hacking the privacy settings is easily done. I just don't like to put out anything at all about myself. If I want a friend or relative to know something, I'll email or phone them.

I don't have a smartphone either. Just a very nice, if somewhat stupid cell phone.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:55 PM

12. Damn...they found me out.

I am one of the last great unwashed who is not available for commercial purposes.

If Facebook continues to lose share price, it will be all my fault.

too bad guilt does not work on psychopaths.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:51 AM

15. You're on their list!

Entire nations of assholes are converging on your location!



Fortunately, you know who these people are,
and it's not too late to institute the master plan...


OR IS IT?

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:03 AM

16. I quit FB in August 2011. Best feeling ever.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:09 PM

47. why is that?

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:07 AM

17. Meet Ex Facebooker Max Schrems

 

What does the data that Facebook collects after about 1 year of "membership" look like?



Austrian student takes on Facebook over privacy

In this photo taken Monday, Oct. 10, 2011, Austrian student Max Schrems holds files about his activities on his Facebook account that Facebook handed over to him, in Vienna, Austria. Schrems wasn't quite sure what information about himself Facebook would send him after he filed a request with the social networking giant to receive his personal data, as is required under European law.

It certainly wasn't the stack of 1,222 pages worth on a CD that inspired him to launch an online campaign aimed at forcing the social media behemoth to abide by European data privacy laws _ something the Palo Alto, California-based company insists it already does. Since August, some 350,000 people have visited the site, dubbed "Europe vs. Facebook," and flooded Facebook's European branch, based in Ireland, with requests for their personal data. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak)

One of Schrems' main complaints with Facebook, he says, is that company retains information far longer than allowed under European law, which it most cases is limited to a few months.

"I wondered, what are they doing with my data?" Schrems said, sitting with his laptop in a Viennese coffee house. "I thought through everything that one can do with that amount of information, all the marketing that is possible."

Under European law, consumers have the right to request a record of the personal information held by a company. The law further stipulates that to retain data beyond the limit of several months, a company must have a reason to do so...(more)

http://phys.org/news/2011-10-austrian-student-facebook-privacy.html

see the exact data collected
http://www.europe-v-facebook.org/EN/Data_Pool/data_pool.html

Front page
http://www.europe-v-facebook.org/EN/en.html



Facebook is a fad anyway, it will fall as fast as it has risen. F Facecrook! Delete your account!

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:22 AM

18. I had an account but never used it and forgot the password. I'm just too busy

to take all that time. I'd rather spend my online time here in DU.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:55 AM

19. what's facebook?

at my age I figure if you don't know me by now, you will never, never, never know me hmmmmmm.

and if you don't know me by now, I don't give a rats ass if you ever do.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:18 AM

20. I have a FB account but;

I access it about once a month. I don't post on it much more than once a year. Not all the info on it is accurate, the people that know me know what's real and everyone else doesn't need to know.
I don't just "Friend" anyone that I get a request from.

The best way to confound any data mining operation is to confound it with false data.
And ANY employer that wants to know my FB account gets the same reaction that asking me what church I belong to would get-NOYFB.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:56 AM

29. You use FB exactly like I do.

From the targeted ads I see whenever I (rarely) access it, Facebook thinks I'm a Mormon Rush Limbaugh fan and Romney supporter who follows BYU football. I don't know how they got that idea, but I don't mind if they stay confused.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:30 AM

21. Then color me Suspicious

Cause I do not have a facebook page, never had a myspace page either. I do design websites and have been doing so since 1996. I've post on mailing lists, message boards, irc channels, user groups, you name it I have done it expect for facebook, myspace and that linkwhatevrlog.

facebook is a huge waste of time and brains.

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Response to kydo (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:54 AM

24. I have always suspected people think i am suspicious...

I have never had facebook. I didn't think i'd have time for it and based on my sister's experience with it, i don't think i am missing anything.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:48 AM

23. Nothing like substituting an electronic page for

face-to-face interactions.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:10 AM

25. Frankly, I feel nothing but scornful pity for those who think this way and reject privacy.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:20 AM

27. I am a profound elite person!

I could care less what the corny little people think. What is important is to stand with my fellow profound elite people and say, "I am way cooler than the filthy commoners and their Facebook and television and sugar cookies and potty training and silly little pictures". Uggh!

Personally, a lot of people I love are on FB. I do like reading that they're getting a new job, or the kids are doing well. It has allowed me to stay connected with my friends and family in a creative and comfortable way. If that means that FB sells the fact that I am an agnostic who likes Tom Petty and Ricky Gervais to someone dumb enough to pay for that bit of info...Eh, whatever!

I could care less who's on Facebook. I could care less if they've never have stepped into a Walmart or McDonald's or a stadium. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing.

All I ask is don't expect my respect if you look down on us "flyover people" because we do. Just one suggestion: Make sure to take an umbrella when you go out so you don't get water in your upturned nose.

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:14 AM

38. What a curious defensive reaction.

The story was about people being considered suspicious by corporations and mainstream media and culture, simply because they don't have a Facebook account. It's not about your hallucination that, because you do have a Facebook account, somewhere some snooty intellectuals are feeling superior to you, or thinking that you are a pathetic consumerist peasant ripe for the corporate harvesting.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:40 PM

59. Thank you!


Great response.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:24 AM

28. Then I'm suspicious.

I tried to sign up not long ago just to access a niece's page. I was prompted for a phone number during the sign up. I had no idea they did that and wasn't about to give them my cell.

Are we seeing the end of actual person-to-person social interaction? It sure seems that way. Plus, I cant see the point of rushing to any social media to reveal everything about my private life. Maybe it's a form of therapy for some, but there may be a price for making your personal information readily accessible. I prefer my private life to stay that way as much as possible.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:08 AM

30. The simple answer is to open a FB account

friend a few family members and close friends, and never post or subscribe to anything controversial.

Ive been very political on FaceBook and now I suddenly find myself unemployed, looking for work, and wondering how many potential employers will ask about FB. I've considered opening an alternative account with a few pictures and friends and showing them that if they ask.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:04 AM

32. "The simple answer is to open a FB account..."

Well, I did that, several years ago, out of pressure from my son who lives on the other coast.
Opened the account in the dog's name, as usual. ( the cat has too many accounts now)
and said hi to the "kid", who posted back a pic or 2.
Never saw ads, I have Ad Block because I hate ads and commercials with a serious fury.
then forgot about it for a month or 2 until I got an email from the kid, so went back to the page,
and there, all over that page, were pictures and comments of total strangers, and their likes and dislikes and pics.
Emailed the kid, told him email was all I was gonna do, he can send pics that way.
closed the account. I had used the 10 minute email address to set it up.
Have no way of knowing if the account is still open, I had heard it is really almost impossible to close one.
Still cannot figure out how I came to have a social kid, the other one is a nice normal introvert who hates the telephone like his Momma.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:24 PM

58. Sure -- if you consider what amounts to blackmail, "simple."

 

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:22 AM

33. I guess I don't exist then

I don't hate Facebook, I just never found it attractive social media. I am hearing some apathy from users lately, I don't know that it's hate so much a a bit of burnout. It seems to be going strong in general though.

But I've made up my mind. If I ever find myself in need of a personal page like that I'm going to MySpace. That'll show them.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:46 PM

50. Myspace is for hipsters

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Reply #50)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:51 PM

65. AYYYYYYYYY!

What's Old is New Again? Hipsters?

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Response to KoKo (Reply #65)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:25 AM

66. Hay KoKo


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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:41 AM

35. Fart noises.





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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:42 AM

36. proudly suspicious

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:55 AM

37. This thread has inspired me to write the following song:

I woke up this morning feeling kind of gory
Like the cockroach fellow in that Kafka story
My family now shuns me, my friends all abhor me
My girlfriend told me, "Go away,
You're starting to bore me.

(Chorus)
'Cause you're not on Facebook
No, you're not on Facebook
Oh, you're not on Facebook
And you're not nobody if you're not on Facebook"

I sent out my resume a-looking for a job
'Cause despite what Mittens Romney thinks, I'm not a lazy slob
The interviewer told me, "Your c.v. is not auspicious.
In fact, I got to tell you, son
It's downright suspicious"

(Chorus)
'Cause you're not on Facebook
No, you're not on Facebook
Oh, you're not on Facebook
And there's something 'funny' if you're not on Facebook"

I heard some bubbleheads talking on the tube last night
Saying, "If you're not on Facebook, then something isn't right.
Just look at Andre Brevik, he's not a Facebook fan
And neither is the Unabomber,
Nor is the Son of Sam

Oh, no, they're not on Facebook
No, they're not on Facebook
And if you're not on Facebook
Well, you may be psychopathic if you're not on Facebook"

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:21 PM

62. You must be a member of the 47% that are not on Facebook!

Nice!

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:19 AM

39. Farhad Manjoo is *staggeringly* stupid, though. I invite you to read the comment

section on any article he publishes on Slate. Generally they are full of venom, irrespective of topic. One has to wonder who exactly his fan base consists of...

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:19 AM

40. Guilty

Of being a Luddite and an introvert who just wants to be left alone by most people. I abhor the total disregard of privacy an individuality that is fostered and promoted by most of social media and would not be caught dead on Facebook. Well maybe dead, as some well-meaning relative will probably post my death announcement there.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:25 AM

41. Damn... I'm not a member of Facebook.

I have an unused myspace and google+ account I never use though.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:43 AM

42. UGH!

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:48 AM

43. I can't be bothered to post snide little comments and brainfarts on facebook.

I've got DU for that.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:59 AM

44. You know, I think I agree with this.

I don't have a Facebook account. And, less face it, I *am* kind of suspicious.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:15 PM

46. This is a very long post.

I was going to read it all, but I need to be out mass murdering. Bookmarking for later if I don't get caught. Wish me luck.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:18 PM

48. Forbes' business subscribers want to make money off your freely provided information

 

So they scare you into providing your data to them, free of charge (via Facebook), by telling you that everyone will think you're a criminal if you don't.

Nice business model there, Forbes.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:19 PM

49. I Adblocked FB icons and added facebook to my Windows hosts file

I don't find a significant fraction of sites begging for a 'like' deserving of one. Now, if they had a "loathe intensely" button...

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:56 PM

52. I had a Facebook account for about three years, but shut it down recently....

....I guess that makes me a criminal, right?

What a crock.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:58 PM

53. just for this, I'm closing my FB account.

Call me Rebel. Rebel With A Cause.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:18 PM

55. My neighbor rents her condo out short-term via a bed and breakfast website called Air B&B.

One of her requirements is you are on social media. She rattled off a few names and one of them was FaceBook.

I guess that made sense to me. She needs a way to verify, absent credit checks, if you are a real person.

She seems to be very picky. She won't rent to you if you are here to see the Bears play.

I guess I'm happy she is picky and taking SOME precaution. I'm just glad to be rid of her because she is a pain in the ass. I don't even mind she is in violation of the condo by-laws renting less than 30 day contracts.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #55)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:15 PM

61. At least she hates Bears.

How can you not be a real person? I don't get it.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Reply #61)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:33 PM

63. I suppose the fear is someone who wants to rent from you just so...

..... they can clean you out - furniture and all.

IIRC, she also mentioned Linked In as a source. She also rents on a By-owner corporate housing site.

Everything she is doing is against the condo by laws so it would probably start a shit storm if she rented to a bunch of football fans looking for a weekend party pad.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #63)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:30 AM

67. One should be able to rent out condos in my opinion

Much of our affordable housing stock has been converted into condominiums, which are less accessible to renters even at the same price -- despite the fact that renting often costs more, condo restrictions are often used to exclude certain populations from a community, like in the days of covenant restrictions. So when a community that has restrictions loses its value, rather than allowing the units to float with the market, the existing residents get really paranoid about trying to prop up the price -- which only makes sense because making it a condo gives them an economic incentive to make the units they are living in less affordable, not more.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Reply #67)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:32 PM

69. We allow renters.

We just require a more than 30 day lease - not a day-to-day or week-to-week rental like a hotel.

We also require the board review the lease contract to verify other owners rights are protected.

She has done neither. But we are very laid back and I/we respect other people's property ownership rights so we don't make a big deal out of it.

The ironic thing is this is the kind of neighbor (the only one we have like this out of 6) who waives the condo by-laws around when she has a complaint. I could write a ten page post on this woman and her bullshit.

That said, I can understand the restriction some associations have on renters. For one, too many renters affects the ability to find mortgage financing for the other units. Having a "hotel unit" operated out of the building would absolutely KILL conventional financing prospects (I'm in the mtg. business). Two, and we have unfortunately had some experience with this, some renters just don't give a fuck about the other neighbors and/or common elements. It's sad but true. Three, landlords tend to be a lot more stingy about improvements and or up-keep when it comes time to vote for improvements.

We had some renters a few years ago - loud music, yelling in the hallways at 3am, pissing off the back deck and verbally abusing one of the other owners. They had a weekend blowout with people in and out all weekend - someone stole my neighbors water bottles and rolled them down the street for fun. They admitted it. Someone else walked off with our brand new yard furniture cushions. We couldn't do anything to them as their contract was with their landlord. We finally had to start fining the owner (first time ever).

I have some friends that bought in to a larger 30 or 40 plus development mid-rise. Unbeknown to them, a lot of the units were retained and rented by the real estate company that marketed/sold the project and his employees/friends. They've had nothing but trouble with vandalism in the hallways, noise and all the other bullshit that comes with apartment living. Only now THEY are responsible for sharing repair costs. Not only that, the absentee landlords NEVER vote for any repair or improvement projects. They couldn't even hire an engineer to assess the failing foundation so they could go after the developer while the building was still under warranty. Most of the landlords are behind on assessments probably because they bought with no money down and are now in trouble.

Condo associations can turn to shit in a hurry and fuck everyone else over. As a mortgage Loan Officer, I used to SCOFF at any idea a condo was a higher risk for the lender when we were assessed higher lending fees for the "supposed" risk. Now I know different.






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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:22 PM

57. The tyranny of FB. FUCK Facebook. I'll never use it.

 

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:49 PM

60. Sorry, I don't do Facepalm.....

....and I really don't shive a git what stink'in society thinks about that. I mean, talk about Big Brother. You Face Palm people fell right in to the slave regime, and you did so voluntarily of your own accord.

You crave the support of whatever your "friends" think, and there isn't a thing about you that every person on this planet doesn't know. And you gave all of that up while making some total nerd named Zukerdude one of the most wealthy people on the planet.

Your stoolie "profile" is linked to your hard drive, your telephone number, your credit report, your job information, your resume, your social life, your religious beliefs (or non beliefs) and the list goes on and on.

Remember the droids sitting in the theater and listening to the words of Big Brother from the Apple ad of not so long ago?

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:48 PM

64. Some of This....Some of That.....Re: "Facebook"

SOME OF THIS:

Norman Jeter replies:

To refer to facebook as an “essential” part of Life is really kind of sad. Yes, it is a large part of many people’s lives. Guess what though, it doesn’t need to be! it wasn’t an “essential” part of anyone’s life pre-myspace, if you wanted to see what your friends were up to, you’d call them up and they’d call up other friends and they would call up others and you would all meet up somewhere and hang out and
SOME OF THIS:

INTERACT PHYSICALLY with one another.

Also pointing out the fact that you are coming from the point of view of a 19yo is about as pointless as anything. You were born into technology. You are practically Borg. You have no history of life BEFORE the internet. Only Vague memories of phones with cords on them and Cellular phones you could kill a horse with. This is coming from a 35yo Network Administrator, who, btw, does have a facebook page but thinks updating my status every 15minutes is just plain retarded. I have managed to reconnect with a few friends from my past, but mostly I use it for the fact that it has a single signon function for many pages that I visit regularly. I, in fact, have NEVER updated a status on my Facebrik page.. even once.

Simply put, pull your head out of the facebook cloud and actually go an interact with people! “soanso is now doing something retarded!” is not interaction.. Try Shaking someone’s hand, or talking to them without using your thumbs. you may find it pretty rewarding!

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SOME OF THAT:

Lao Tsu writes:

I do believe you’re one of the sanest people, I’ve encountered on the net.

Thank you for seeing this stuff in context of reality, not in context of internet hype.

Leaving FB isn’t a cry for help, it’s a choice to use time better and lose petty schoolyard, drama queens and stalkers.

The funny thing is the increased social acceptability of very creepy behaviour by people and companies on social networks.

Despite all the additional political correctness in the world, the lack of social correctness and sociopathic behaviour of people on the web is amazing….not trolls, ordinary people.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:12 PM

68. Facebook CIA Project



This is parodic satire, but it may be kind of true in a way.

I have never for a nanosecond considered joining Facebook. So many of my friends say "You should join Facebook!"

NFW.

And I don't need to volunteer info to my "file". If they want info, I'm going to at least make them work for it.

I am a huge privacy advocate, and am of the opinion that credit checks should be illegal. Businesses and government have way too much legal license to snoop into our personal affairs, and I resent it. I was livid when the Reagan crowd passed the employee drug testing bill.

Before I die, I hope to see it become a serious criminal offense for businesses to gather any information on private citizens.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:05 PM

71. FB can take a flying leap

i had an account several years ago, but increasingly felt my privacy being eroded, so i dropped it and haven't looked back. i do have a twitter account to follow my youngest son, but it's under an anonymous name.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:08 PM

72. also, people who don't wear Nike shoes

everyone knows Nikes are awesome, if you don't have them there's something wrong with you.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:12 PM

73. Mr. Farhad...if I was on Facebook and you asked to friend me and I turned you down...

would that make you suspicious of me?

Silly person...tons and tons of people don't do online socializing.


Tikki

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