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Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:05 PM

Instead of asking why public employees are making more money than private sector employees

This always seems to be a major talking point from the Republicans.

Maybe we should ask it the other way... Why aren't private sector employees making as much money?

Instead of asking why public employees have better job security... Why don't private sector employees have as much job security?

Instead of asking why public employees have better pensions and retirement plans... Why don't private sector employees have pensions and retirement plans that can compete with them?

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Reply Instead of asking why public employees are making more money than private sector employees (Original post)
ck4829 Nov 2012 OP
annabanana Nov 2012 #1
Cary Nov 2012 #2
DJ13 Nov 2012 #3
etherealtruth Nov 2012 #5
shanti Nov 2012 #10
WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2012 #13
riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #16
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #4
JaneyVee Nov 2012 #6
dtom67 Nov 2012 #7
Omaha Steve Nov 2012 #8
Gore1FL Nov 2012 #9
alarimer Nov 2012 #11
SnowCritter Nov 2012 #12
avebury Nov 2012 #14
kaiden Nov 2012 #15
yewberry Nov 2012 #17
Flatulo Nov 2012 #18
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #19
TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #20
Chisox08 Nov 2012 #21
Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2012 #22
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #23
thesquanderer Nov 2012 #24
woo me with science Nov 2012 #25
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #26

Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:07 PM

1. yeppers!. . The private sector used to be right up there. People

who took public sector jobs traded the big bucks for a little security and less drama. Why should they be punished for making good decisions?

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:13 PM

2. There are so many flaws in "conservatives"

And there is so little time.

Look, they want to destroy the middle class and to give everything to the top 1%. Can there be any doubt of this?

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:29 PM

3. 20-30 years back, the private sector paid more

People used to work for government as a last resort.

The fact that government pays better is only because the private corporations havent kept pace with the cost of living all these years.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:49 PM

5. Very true

I am not sure folk worked for the government as a last resort .... but I do know they worked for the benefits (including job security) vs the salary/ wage

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:34 PM

10. what you said

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:49 PM

13. Very true. Back then the private sector paid WAY more.

But people didn't always work for the government as a last resort. My dad worked for the government for over 35 years pretty much because of the benefits/pension. He could provide us with a comfortable (albeit tight financially at times) life and provide for his own retirement so he and mom wouldn't "be a burden." He could have made a boatload of money if he took his considerable talent and ability into the private sector, and I know he turned down more than one offer, but the job/life security was everything. In fact, after he retired, he went into the private sector as a mentor and was amazed at what he was getting paid.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:22 PM

16. +1. I remember the conversations about "poorly paid" teachers, firemen, cops

and then being amazed at their salaries. They were really excellent to my (poverty stricken) eyes.

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder but honestly, I've never seen a govt job as some kind of poverty gig.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:32 PM

4. Beause "public employees" means "unions" which means "we're trying to rile up people against

unions by using a STOOOOOPID 'comparison', because 'private sector employees' includes drop-outs, while 'public employees' more than likely are college graduates."

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:53 PM

6. I work for a private sector Union that pays well. Keyword: Union.

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Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:28 PM

8. The Platte Institute had to change a draft of NE state law about public/private pay scales


K&R!

http://www.platteinstitute.org/

They wanted to "clamp down" on public worker unions in Nebraska two years ago. The draft provided for comparisons of public vs private pay scales in contract disputes. Then they figured out that many PRIVATE jobs do pay better. So they had to strip that language out. The reason was that this would have meant revealing private sector wages that should be considered company secrets or proprietary info. Ya right.

This public worker knows more informed workers would organize their workplace once workers realize Faux has an anti-union agenda not in their best interest!

OS

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:30 PM

9. As a public Employee, I have a better question:

Where the fuck are public employees paid well? I make less than 2/3's of what the private sector pays for my skillset.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:43 PM

11. It's a bullshit talking point, it's not even true.

Public employees do not, as a rule, make more money. The premise is entirely false because you are comparing two different things. I know it's the Huff Po, but a recent BLS study showed public workers make 25% LESS. If you Google "Public employees make more money" almost all of the articles come from the Heritage Foundation, Fox News and other right-wing sources, yet the public has bought this story hook, line and sinker. Even Daily Kos has bought into the idea that public employees make more.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/07/government-employees-23-percent-less-private-sector_n_1080108.html

The Economic Policy Institute says this isn't true. It's a PDF article here:

http://www.epi.org/publication/debunking_the_myth_of_the_overcompensated_public_employee/



So, please, stop buying into the myth.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:48 PM

12. An old Russian joke...

An old Russian joke tells the story of a peasant with one cow who hates his neighbor because he has two. A sorcerer offers to grant the envious farmer a single wish. “Kill one of my neighbor’s cows!” he demands.

Seems fairly analogous to the current conservative attitude towards public sector employees.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:15 PM

14. The idea that public emloyees make more money then

private sector employees is a fallacy. I work for a state agency and every year or so the state conducts a market study to compare compensation in each job class to comparable jobs in the private sector. The study consistently shows that we are paid significantly less then the private sector, to the point that they have problems keeping employees in certain job classifications.

The 2011 report showed the average salary to be 19.17% below market. In the particular level of the job classification that I work in, I a am paid 12.72% below market. Believe me, public employees are not getting wealthy doing their job.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:19 PM

15. I'm not sure public sector employees make more money.

I know several attorneys -- one who left the law firm where I work -- who make thousands of dollars less working for the Colorado Attorney's Office or those who are public defenders or those who work for the City of Denver. Their benefits may be better (but PERA is in trouble now), but they don't have the salaries private lawyers have.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:55 PM

17. I'm a public employee making less than similar private sector employees.

At my agency, IT employees make significantly less. Our tradespeople (boilermakers, electricians, carpenters, shoregang) make significantly less. Our engineers (licensed & unlicensed) make less. The Operations group I recently left makes 47% less than other local public employees-- way behind private. It's shocking and our retention is dropping precipitously.

Otherwise, I completely agree.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:09 PM

18. Wages and benefits are depressed in the private sector, compared to just a few

years ago. One of the biggest reasons for this is the annual increase in health care costs. Most employers have capped what they will pay towards a health plan and are now passing the (considerable) annual increase onto the worker.

My wife got a 2% salary increase this year, but the health plan went up $200/month. Net result? She is poorer than last year.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:12 PM

19. K&R nt

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:53 PM

20. It is Reich Wing mythology but even if it was true the entire thought process is

pretty whacked out.

I don't understand some folks at all. No consideration of lifting one's self and/or creating conditions that improve your lot and straight to ripping the neighbor to shreds. Over bullshit as well.

Maybe...just maybe, the teacher down the way may make more than you but they have a masters, ten years experience, and work at least two hours a day uncompensated. Meanwhile, you graduated high school and got a lawn service started. You work hard but in reality, in good years you make more than the teacher and may have as much time off.

In fact, a few years back (you've forgotten now) that you used to laugh your ass off at the teacher having to go to and deal with your kids all day under all that school debt and all that school for less than you did on the mower.

How are simple fuckers deaf to the back message here? The intent is to crash wages, public sector has usually set the floor or at least a baseline for wages at about any particular job level.

Those on this bandwagon (for the most part, the drivers ca$h out) are cheerleading to cut their own earning power and potential.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:01 AM

21. It's not just the Republicons spewing that talking point

Gov. Quinn in said that the Illinois tax payers don't have a pension like state employees so why should the state employees have those pensions. He is actively trying to cut the pensions of state employees and raise the retirement age.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:04 AM

22. How broadly does this actually apply?

My late aunt was a senior bureaucrat at a California state agency that was in a perpetual state of dysfunction because of inadequate staffing. They had to go to Texas and the deep south to recruit. Their only hook was the old school pension, but that isn't much of an incentive to a twenty-four year old with eighty grand in student loans. When she retired they were losing junior staff to go work in the mortgage boiler room operations.

Entry level positions in her agency paid $36,000 to $42,000. Similar private sector positions started at $50 and up.

When she retired there were more than 150 unfilled positions state-wide, they just couldn't compete and couldn't negotiate. All they could do was troll state agencies in the deep south and hope they got a few years out of a hire before they moved on in California.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:15 AM

23. Well, if they can get people angry at other 99%ers rather than the 1% thieves, it serves the RW's

purposes. Pay no attention to the billionaires behind the curtain...

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:36 AM

24. Republicans want everyone to be rich!

Except, you know, anyone they actually have to pay.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:21 AM

25. K&R

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:24 AM

26. The republican party seems to be about destroying and not building up

From proactive and never ending wars to taking away benefits, they are always about the negative.

As they see it, people should be paying their employers to allow them to come to work.

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