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Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:46 PM

Living Wage

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ashling Nov 2012 OP
Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #1
KamaAina Nov 2012 #2
Cleita Nov 2012 #3
KamaAina Nov 2012 #8
rainin Nov 2012 #4
ErikJ Nov 2012 #5
liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #7
glowing Nov 2012 #9
Illinoischick Nov 2012 #6
99Forever Nov 2012 #10
Cleita Nov 2012 #12
99Forever Nov 2012 #15
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #11
former-republican Nov 2012 #13
former-republican Nov 2012 #14
kath Nov 2012 #18
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #19
PETRUS Nov 2012 #16
sheshe2 Nov 2012 #17

Response to ashling (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:30 PM

1. kick

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 04:03 PM

2. San Jose just voted for a $10/hr. minimum wage

San Francisco and Albuquerque have local minimum wages as well.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 04:36 PM

3. In California, it should be $20 to make it a living wage.

It is expensive to live here.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:15 PM

8. Tell me about it.

The name is a holdover from the early days of DU; I've been in San Jose for three years now.

Guess who else doesn't make $20 an hour? That'd be my cum laude Ivy League-educated self.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 04:38 PM

4. a living wage is social justice

Why don't we demand that companies that operate in our country pay a living wage? When a company pays so little that a worker must utilize social programs like food stamps, or emergency room healthcare, or free school lunches, then taxpayers are lifting the floor for these workers.

If companies were required to lift the floor, they would have to charge more for their product (that only works to a point) or take less in profit. Impoverishing the workforce seems to be a strategy for securing wealth in this country.

If you work full-time, your pay should cover minimal housing (safe and decent), healthy food, medical care in full, and an education for your kids. It's not socialism, rich people will always live a better life: bigger houses, hired help, fine cars, travel. The social bottom should cover the bare basics without exception. I am baffled that so many people would disagree.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 04:39 PM

5. Should have exemption for subsistence mom and pop businesses.

I know one-two person businesses that barely make enough for their owners to survive but they do need an occasional part-timer just for some time off to keep from going crazy. These very small businesses should be exempt from minimum wage or we may lose our local shops and surrender our culture to the monopolies.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 04:48 PM

7. workers should always be part of the conversation

You can sit a worker down and say hey look we're not doing so well right now, but if you hang in there with us and make some sacrifices with us when things turn around we can afford to give you a share of the profit or a bonus or a raise. Workers don't want to bankrupt mom and pop stores. They just want to feel vested. They want to feel important and respected. They want to feel they have a stake in the success of the business. I have noticed that workers perform better at employee owned stores than just about any other kind of store I have frequented.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:17 PM

9. The small businesses might feel an actual sales

increase, allowing them to pay their part-time worker a little more. That's the issue that drives people from local mom and pop stores into the dollar tree. People who have more money can choose to spend it where they want to and not from the blood suckers.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 04:44 PM

6. Kick

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:19 PM

10. We need a FDR.

Perhaps, the last President who truly "got it."

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:47 PM

12. I think LBJ got it and if he hadn't been bogged down with

the un-winnable VietNam war probably would have been able to accomplish a lot more.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:19 PM

15. I don't completely..

... disagree with you, it's more a matter of degree.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:41 PM

11. Wow times have changed.

Can't imagine President Obama ever saying something like this in a million years.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:55 PM

13. This is what President Obama should say

 



President Obama hold a press conference and tell Walmart you are a disgrace.
You are the biggest employer in this country .
You are one of the most profitable companies in history.

An American success story yet 40% of your employees are on government assistance .

That's what I would like to see my President say out loud

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:59 PM

14. Times haven't changed , companies back then tried to take advantage of employees

 

What's changed is people and the way we react to it.

I guess with becoming a more civil society we lost the will to do what should be done.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:36 PM

18. Yep,you'll never hear it from him

He's not even close to being a liberal. I'm SO frickin' sick of all the Trojan horse DINO Third Way bullshit.
FDR rolls in his grave at what's happened to his party...

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Response to kath (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:17 PM

19. When FDR was not grave-bound there were tens of thousands of people in the streets.

Ragged schoolkids marching. The Triangle Shirtwaist fire everyone knows about, but they had a walkout a year (2?) before the fire, 3000 walked out. When other garment makers heard, thousands streamed out onto the streets. Truckers and miners were and had been organizing into loose associations. And, for cryin' out loud, the Wobblies, who would take ANY working person, NOTHING else mattered (When they were taken to court and asked their religion, they said "International Workers of the World". All they could do was kill them or jail them, and organize the people with another group that would take more of the owner's considerations into account.). Companies and governments were granting vacation, wage, and workweek concessions, creating unions to co-opt anger and dampen demands (there really is no third way, it's just the tyrants in costume) , anything they could do to stave off these people actually figuring out that the greedy wealthy and politicians were too much alike to leave alone. And it was growing...

As long as the less-moneyed part of the country was bleeding and beating on each other, for whatever reason, taxes on the wealthy could be lowered, their profits from others' labor increased, as the run up into the 20's demonstrated. But when people looked at each other and realized, for all their differences, it was the greedy bastards that are the enemy of everyone, and maybe THEY should join in the bleeding, everything changed.

FDR chose a path demanded by a a huge percentage of his neighbors. He had choices, but to do otherwise would have been a very different outcome, maybe REAL class war, with guns and bombs and dying and stuff, in the neighborhoods of the wealthy. But it never would have happened had not the people left their homes for the streets. (The streets being more hospitable at the time had a lot to do with that- it's where your friends were).

Greedy bastards and those who do their work know people are still too phat, in many ways but mostly in their minds, to do anything about it. So they sit in their offices and find others who will do their bidding, and instruct them to find ways to take profit from others work, buying political will as needed.

Why, when there are obviously sufficient numbers and others will follow, and history says we can be successful? It is well within our power to change it if we decided to rally against our real enemies. We should avoid making excuses, and don't substitute care for one's ego and comfort for honest evaluation. And don't cooperate with tyrants or those who do their bidding. Walk away from friends who can't tell whose side they are on.

La botie asked why people enter into this involuntary servitude, here, especially when the evidence says that the stronger army is the one that fights for its freedom. Maybe our vision is too small, or we are too cowed...

"... Poor, wretched, and stupid peoples, nations determined on your own misfortune and blind to your own good! You let yourselves be deprived before your own eyes of the best part of your revenues; your fields are plundered, your homes robbed, your family heirlooms taken away. You live in such a way that you cannot claim a single thing as your own; and it would seem that you consider yourselves lucky to be loaned your property, your families, and your very lives. All this havoc, this misfortune, this ruin, descends upon you not from alien foes, but from the one enemy whom you yourselves render as powerful as he is, for whom you go bravely to war, for whose greatness you do not refuse to offer your own bodies unto death. He who thus domineers over you has only two eyes, only two hands, only one body, no more than is possessed by the least man among the infinite numbers dwelling in your cities; he has indeed nothing more than the power that you confer upon him to destroy you. Where has he acquired enough eyes to spy upon you, if you do not provide them yourselves? How can he have so many arms to beat you with, if he does not borrow them from you? The feet that trample down your cities, where does he get them if they are not your own? How does he have any power over you except through you? How would he dare assail you if he had no cooperation from you?

... From all these indignities, such as the very beasts of the field would not endure, you can deliver yourselves if you try, not by taking action, but merely by willing to be free. Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces?





Looks like some people are recovering better than others, in this "recovery".

You, me, and our neighbors have to be willing to walk away from the comfort that substitutes for freedom, know that people will die in the process, and march into the streets, refusing any longer to do the bidding of the greedy bastards, and proceed to build another life.

Don't expect anyone else to do it for you. There is no evidence in history that such a thing has ever happened without the spirit of the people.

Or just follow the trends on the charts. One could even complete them in crayon, because unless people want their freedom back that is where those lines will continue to track for the rest of our lives





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Response to ashling (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:12 PM

16. kick

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:35 PM

17. Living Wage? Never heard of that!

At least my company has not. I worked for this company for two years before the economy completely tanked.While the raises were nothing to write home about, they were moderate.
Then came the wage freeze for one year.

When they resumed they were laughable, pennies on the dollar. They reviewed you annually, told you that your performance was great.

Then oh by the way you will have to write another 100,000 per year...and yes you will be held accountable. Are we going to offer you any support, more staffing,backup...Hell no. Oh and BTW,
you will be responsible for three times more duties than you had previously!

Corporate America....the ones you LOVE to hate!

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