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Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:20 PM

"The Noble Qu'ran" in English

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It seems to me that to have even a clue about what Muslims believe, the first place to start is by studying their scriptures.

I have found a website which has an English translation:

http://www.dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/index.html

As the Qu'ran was written in Arabic, I understand that "something is lost in the translation". But we gotta use what we have.

Question: Does anyone have experience or opinions on the various translations of the Qu'ran?

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Reply "The Noble Qu'ran" in English (Original post)
FrodosPet Nov 2012 OP
FrodosPet Nov 2012 #1
Taverner Nov 2012 #2
KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #5
Raster Nov 2012 #7
Bucky Nov 2012 #13
Raster Nov 2012 #15
Taverner Nov 2012 #19
Aerows Nov 2012 #23
Taverner Nov 2012 #18
kentauros Nov 2012 #3
Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #4
FrodosPet Nov 2012 #9
quinnox Nov 2012 #6
Archae Nov 2012 #8
FrodosPet Nov 2012 #11
Archae Nov 2012 #12
Bucky Nov 2012 #14
Marr Nov 2012 #21
CJCRANE Nov 2012 #10
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #16
Taverner Nov 2012 #20
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #22
IdaBriggs Nov 2012 #17
FSogol Nov 2012 #24
Autumn Nov 2012 #25

Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:39 PM

1. A version with interpretations and footnotes

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:43 PM

2. I tried to read it. It makes even less sense than the Book of Mormon

 

And that one, let's just say it came to pass...

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Response to Taverner (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:52 PM

5. Lets assume you are telling the truth about reading the Quran...

 

Do you read WITH comprehension? Or are you purposely being factious and rude to make some meaningless point?

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Response to KimonoGirl (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:05 PM

7. Let's assume you were actually intending to respond to the poster in a thoughtful and....

...intelligent fashion:

Do you read WITH comprehension? Or are you purposely being facetious and rude to make some meaningless point?

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Response to Raster (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:33 PM

13. Let's say your response to the OP's response to the responder was actually intended to respond...

...in a responsive responsible response. Do you comprehend THAT?!

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Response to Bucky (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:42 PM

15. Really... hand-on-the hip and finger wagging? I think not.

Have a nice day!

How's your comprehension?

And for the record, I find the Koran just as "meaningful" as the Book of Mormon.

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Response to Raster (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:23 PM

19. It could be they are questioning my ability to comprehend my comprehension in a comprehensive way...

 

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Response to Bucky (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:55 PM

23. I don't have a response for that

I'm not sure I'm responsible enough to respond in a responsive manner that is respectable.

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Response to KimonoGirl (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:21 PM

18. No, this isn't a loaded question or anything...

 

Not like you passive aggressively accused me of lying but...

What do you mean "Read with comprehension"? Are you talking about footnotes? Something akin to a concordance? If so, no. Nothing to further explain the words of the Koran.

Or are you back to playing the passive aggressive game again?

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:46 PM

3. I don't have any experience or opinions on this

but here's a site with more translations and versions:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/index.htm

That's a great overall site for anything to do with "sacred texts"

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:48 PM

4. you might seek out professor juan cole for suggestion re translation

he's on fb and Informed Comment is his blog
http://www.juancole.com/

middle east expert & fluent in arabic

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:06 PM

9. AND he's a University of Michigan prof!

Thank you for the pointer.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:00 PM

6. no idea but

I know when they mention the prophet Muhammad's name, they say "Peace be upon him", at least I have seen this on the internet a few times. I always got a kick out of that, and found it amusing.

The other thing amusing is they call their like, lead priests, "Imams". It is kind of a humorous sounding title, if you hear it said out loud. Me and a friend have had some fun saying it real fast a few times in a row (saying "I'm an Imam") and joking about it.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:05 PM

8. The Koran is just as full of shit as the Bible is.

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Response to Archae (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:09 PM

11. Whether it is or isn't is irrelevent to my purpose

What is important is that it is the primary guide to understanding a billion and a half people.

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:16 PM

12. Same with Christians.

Most Christians are of the "live and let live" groups.

But a few are the fundys who won't be satisfied until everyone in the world is *REQUIRED* under pain of torture and death to be their version of Christianity.

Likewise, a few Moslems are like this.

Now combine those zealots with high-powered weapons and bombs and you get havoc.

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:36 PM

14. "They're wrong and we're right and therefor we have the right to blow them up."

There. Now you understand seven and a half billion people. Minus the Quakers, of course. They never wanna blow up nuthin.

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:27 PM

21. Do you really think the Bible would help you understand, say, Southerners?

I don't. Their identity is a stew of political and economic concerns. Religion is, as ever, just a background noise that can be filled with any cause that leaders of the day require.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:07 PM

10. IMO you can get a more rounded view

by reading the Hadith (sayings of the prophet). They're more down to earth and about everyday situations (well, as pertains to life in 7th century Arabia).

I like the translation by Thomas Cleary in "Wisdom of the Prophet".

However IMO "Living and Dying with Grace" by Thomas Cleary is better. These are the sayings of Hadrat Ali who is a Shia saint or something so it's not recognized by Sunnis but I thought they were really useful and some of them were quite memorable and universal.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:49 PM

16. Just like the bible, the problem is that people take what they want out of it

and then ignore or twist the rest.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:24 PM

20. Sounds right to me

 

The Bible inspired both the Civil Rights Struggle AND the Crusades

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:49 PM

22. +1 nt

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:09 PM

17. The Holy Qur'an in Today's English [Kindle Edition] by Yahiya Emerick

The commentaries/explanation really explain what was going on "behind the scenes" as it were. For example, the idea that a woman required another witness when making a business deal, which I originally thought was about saying a woman's word was "worth less than a man's", was explained as being a *protection* for women to prevent them from being physically assaulted or coerced into "bad business deals."

Ex: (not in Qu'ran) "Really, your honor, she sold me this $10,000 diamond ring for $50 - please ignore the fact she has a broken arm and a black eye!"

Marriage/divorce and laws about widow's and their rights/status were equally enlightening; on the face "need to wait/is allowed to stay in her marital home for four months before a woman remarries" seems weird, but when it is explained that as soon as her husband died, all property went to male next of kin, and the widow was on the street with no means of supporting herself, well, pretty "liberal" to insist she be allowed to stay in her own home for at least four months, AND THEN got a third of the marital property in her own name = pretty amazing. Women in the United States, (I seem to recall) weren't allowed to own property until the mid 19th century.

It is *very* educational reading on just how "pro-women's rights" it is for its time. Some of the "accepted rights" of women wouldn't be given to European women for the next thirteen hundred years.....

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:59 PM

24. The Bible and the Koran both come down to these two truths

God is Great and We're #1!

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:04 PM

25. Locking. This does not meet the SOP for GD

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