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Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:03 AM

 

To avoid the next Sandy, prominent builders say THINK BIG

http://news.msn.com/science-technology/will-new-york-city-act-to-block-future-surges
(there is a cool picture at the link given that is (c) so not putting it here)

Think Sandy was just a 100-year storm that devastated New York City? Imagine one just as bad, or worse, every three years.

Prominent planners and builders say now is the time to think big to shield the city's core: a 5-mile barrier blocking the entryway to New York Harbor, an archipelago of man-made islets guarding the tip of Manhattan, or something like CDM Smith engineer Larry Murphy's 1,700-foot barrier complete with locks for passing boats and a walkway for pedestrians at the mouth of the Arthur Kill waterway between the borough of Staten Island and New Jersey.

Act now, before the next deluge, and they say it could even save money in the long run.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:36 AM

1. Sandy may be our version of WWII in terms of getting out of this recession/depression -

Republicans won't spend money to stimulate the economy, but they will spend money for a fight!

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:38 AM

2. It would be a great stimulus, and may even make people realize that all of our infrastructure across

the country needs an upgrade.

Ha! Who am I kidding.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:40 AM

4. I could think of 100 projects more worthy of protecting coastal areas from the inevitable... n/t

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:39 AM

3. NBC did a piece on this recently...

The NIMBY's were out in full force.

As both a federal and New York state taxpayer, I say no way in hell with climate change predictions is it worth spending the billions required to encapsulate Manhattan with a sewall.

Nope.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:40 AM

5. Do it through the DOD

the Repukes will spend whatever it takes as long as it goes through the military.
Worked for the interstate highways under Ike.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:45 AM

6. New York needs to put its hand back in its OWN pocket.

New York is one of the wealthiest parts of the country. We JUST bailed it out (Wall Street/Bankster bailouts were largely targeted at New York.)

The rest of the country can't afford any more "stimulus" for New York right now. After all, before this storm, New Yorkers weren't clamoring to rebuild Detroit.

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Response to Romulox (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:53 AM

7. NY did not ask for this - and it pays far more in than it gets back

The bailout, which was paid back, was to prevent the entire country's - and the world's - financial system going over a cliff.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:58 AM

8. "Cuomo to Seek $30 Billion in Aid for Storm Relief"

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo plans to ask the federal government for at least $30 billion in disaster aid to help New York City and other affected areas of the state recover from the devastation of Hurricane Sandy, according to top administration officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/12/nyregion/cuomo-to-seek-30-billion-in-aid-for-storm-relief.html


But New Yorkers have been asking for money...

The bailout, which was paid back, was to prevent the entire country's - and the world's - financial system going over a cliff.


It was pitched, at least in part, as saving jobs in Manhattan. No matter how you slice it, the so-called "stimulus" redounded to the benefit of New York and New Yorkers in a way it simply did not elsewhere. New Yorkers cannot seriously think they're due for yet another round of money from federal tills?

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Response to Romulox (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:34 PM

11. Every state gets and deserves FEMA money

This was a huge disaster to parts of NJ and NY - as well as elsewhere.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:01 AM

9. there's still about $170bn outstanding on that 'payback'

so 'paid back' might be a bit of a stretch...

sP

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Response to Romulox (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:02 PM

13. of course, NYC was destroyed on 9-11 in case you forgot, and biz went to zero for 10 years

 

100% of all deaths in the WTC happened in the NY/NJ/ area lest you forget, along with the two most icon of buildings in the world.

and of course, well, it goes without saying that without new york city, L.A,/SF and Chicago, and DC, there is nothing.

No brag, just fact.

People all over the earth know NYC, Los Angeles/SF and Chicago.

and unless people here are not democrats, which would be odd, being that this site is for democrats, well, we sure do love the electoral votes of NY/Calif. and ILlinois.

When OBL wanted to destroy America, where do you think he aimed the planes at?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:16 AM

10. An archipelago of islets protecting Manhattan sounds feasible

... as long as nobody builds oceanfront homes on them.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:52 PM

12. Buy the "coastal residents" out and turn the waterfront into a "buffer zone"

of PUBLIC land use... non-permanent structures or structures built UNINSURED by rich folks who are brave (and stupid)..

Let there be piers & arcades (much easier/cheaper to rebuild).

Let there be tennis courts, parks, running trails, camp sites

but NO houses/condos/office buildings.

If Casinos want to build UNINSURED/SELF-INSURED, fine..but people should not be PERMANENTLY living there anymore.

The flood-footprint of Sandy should be the buffer zone.

A lady who was interviewed on Staten Island said defiantly ..paraphrasing here..

"You watch.. we'll be back this summer in tents ..to rebuild.. We all USED to be here in tents before we we built our houses..and we can do it again.."

Perhaps, being at "the shore" should go back to being a vacation tent thing..


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