Tourism is our number one export, per POTUS today at Disneyworld....

[nadinbrzezinski]

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Decline watch... we just crossed another point. (Yes that is part of the LONG TERM TRENDS we are observing, for the benefit of those who have missed the at times long trend articles)

It used to be industrial goods...(that we were always pushing)

Check.

Anybody is really curious there are places on the web seriously discussing this subject by the way... and I do not mean fringe places either. I mean very much ELITE places.

Per Joephilly suggestion, here is a link to Decline Watch

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/category/topic/decline_watch

Foreign Policy is one of those elite of elite pubs, and have been running this trends spotting as it were, for a while. It makes for, at times, depressing reading. And no, they are not reds or blues, it is targeted at foreign service pros and other specialists.

[DCKit]

1. Given the past decade, I would have thought "terrorism".

But that's just me.

[FarLeftFist]

2. We crossed that point long ago from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. Sadly.

Definitely NEED to bring manufacturing back, but as long as the corporate entities thrive off cheap foreign labor it's not looking so good. Thankfully Obama saved the auto industry. Imagine America without an auto industry.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Yeah we did

but as far as I can remember this is the first time I hear the POTUS sounding like insert President of Mexico here...

[FarLeftFist]

9. He's just giving his Florida constituents what they want to here. More tourism=More jobs and

job security for the thousands upon thousands that work in the service economy of Florida.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Yeah, there is that

so did De La Madrid in Veracruz... curious, and I wil leave at that.

[Justice wanted]

3. The patriot act and other legislation killed Tourism in our country.

I had study it in school. That was my major and what I was preparing a job for.


Demanding passports between the Canadian U.S. border destroyed one MAJOR aspect of tourism.


They protected that industry directly into the ground.

[ROFF]

4. Your title is missing one word

President Obama actually said "Tourism is our number one SERVICE export"

[JoePhilly]

7. I just posted the video to make the same point. OP is wrong ...

Or "selectively deaf"... or ... "did not listen closely".

But regardless, you are right ... he did not say what the OP claims.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. You mean POTUS did not highlight that one of our exports now is a SERVICE?

LIke oh insert developing economy here? I heard it very well thank you.

As I said, there are SERIOUS places that are discussing this very seriously. Those very SERIOUS places are not into team sports, between the red team and the blue team.

[JoePhilly]

15. Your response trys to walk back your OP, thus making my point.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Not at all but I gave up team sports as well

It is a marker... like it nor.

And yes the US is a declining power. I guess team members will be the last to know.

[JoePhilly]

19. You claimed he said it was our #1 export ... YOU made that claim.

But the video CLEARLY shows that is NOT what he said.

You did not include a link to the video, so I went and FOUND one ... watched it ... and opps, he does not say what your OP claims he said (sans link).

And now you try to deflect away.

Why not just say that you missed the word "service"??



All he REALLY did was talk UP tourism to the US ... which is bad, why?

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. You are interpreting as this being bad

which is not.

I said this is yet another marker and that in very serious places markers like this are noted.

There are a few others... like our health status, and our educational achievements.

I noted this as a marker, not a value added to it. It is more of a fact than a value. It has none to do with good or bad.

You are talking politics, I am talking LONG TERM trends, which have little or none to do with short term politics.

Why I said, I gave up on team sports.

[JoePhilly]

22. Your OP does not note this as a "marker" ... that is a new term you've

injected into the thread.

Moreover, its not a "marker" is what you claim he said is not what he actually said.

I am not talking politics ... I'm talking facts.

Obama did not say what you claimed he said ... and given that, the "marker" you now talk about remains a false marker.

I did not mention politics at all, but you seem to be tossing that in to avoid the fact that what you claimed is not actually what Obama said.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Since I have been talking trends for over two years now...

I give up, but for your benefit I will edit this to note this... is that ok?

[JoePhilly]

25. Do you think those reading an OP on DU follow you so closely ... ??

There are lots of regulars here. I recognize many of them, you included.

In any case ... sure ... clarify your OP... maybe add a link to the actual video (I provided one) if you want to.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. If anything a link to serous place should be appropriate

thanks for the tip... will link to one of the many articles

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. I love you too. Thanks for the kick

[JoePhilly]

5. Bull. That is not what he said ... you might want to rewatch the speech ... he said ...

"Tourism is the #1 SERVICE that we export" ... did you miss the word SERVICE????

Here is the video ... go to the 1:50 point in the video and listen again ... up to the 2:20 or so mark. He is very clear.

http://www.news-press.com/videonetwork/1402359906001/Speech-President-Obama-speaks-at-Disney-World

[zappaman]

39. Kick and recommend

Not for the OP which clearly misquotes what Obama said, but for post #29.

[AtomicKitten]

44. Thanks for posting the link. He definitely said SERVICE export.

And that definitely makes a difference in the context of the quote. I'm not sure why the OP didn't just make the correction, or maybe that would render the faux outrage post moot.

[zappaman]

46. Yep, some folks just don't like admitting to a mistake I guess.

Not a hard thing to change, but I'm not shocked.
No siree.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Glad to see usual people missing the damn point

at this point I just do this.



and f course this



(Incidentally the smilies work very well, that IS slick)

[pintobean]

14. No one corrects faulty information

at the ELITE places?



SERIOUSly

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Thanks for the kick

[lamp_shade]

11. SERVICE export.

[htuttle]

13. Tourism isn't a service you can export

You can export services like 'interpreting X-Rays' and doing medical transcription, which are two that India exports in a big way (and used to be actual jobs here in the US), but I don't see how tourism can be exported. People have to come here to use it.

Maybe that's nitpicking, but being a tourist destination is not something to be terribly proud about, economically speaking. Not compared to exporting actual goods or higher paying services. Compare a waiter's wages to a medical transcriptionist, for example.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. I know... it is just a marker

and it is not 100% of the economy either. It just struck my attention.

[surfdog]

16. You was talking about Florida

Most our jobs created come from Tourism

[Waiting For Everyman]

21. I'd prefer more domestic tourists

by bumping wages and giving workers time off as it used to be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Yeah why I was going, I have heard this speech before,

in Spanish... in a real touristy place...

It was a strange feeling of deja vu... and long term trends... not good.

[Aerows]

24. Forced into a culture of servitude

That seems to be where we are headed.

Once you become a culture of service, you lose the ability for arts, culture, and science.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Lagging indicator is nobels

but as the decades go on, we should see a decline in US Nobel prizes, if the trends are not reversed.

[Orangepeel]

32. If I'm reading the Census table right...

Value of goods exported 2010: $1,288,699 million
Value of services exported in 2010: $548,878 million


http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1300.pdf

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Oh you are reading it correctly

That is not in dispute, but services are going up... and for the state of florida, he was there for tourism jobs.

[bhikkhu]

34. US exports of goods has been a bright spot in the economy for three years now

...for which the president deserves some credit. The old attitude "everybody knows we don't make things here anymore" is increasingly not true (due in large part to the president's policies), and so - as a typical falsehood - has become more the mantra of republicans.


Tourism has nothing to do with it, though the places that benefit from tourism probably appreciate the president's message.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Hey when we finally replace the 20 year old tv set

there is made in America sets right now, but that is another story.

This was more the... my ear is attuned to these messages from years of following the trends as an academic pursuit... and I mean second tier power trends.

This started, to be brutally honest, with Reagan... and the slow attacks on the Steel industry.

It accelerated to dizzying speeds after we invaded Iraq.

This is party independent, and in pretty serious places people are keeping an eye on it. I have posted articles on this here. Silly season is upon us, so I will continue to follow this interest of mine at other places. I can tell that this place is not the place to discuss this anymore.

I think man bytes dog is the preferred diet at this point. And since I gave up sports, and the red team and the blue team matter little when it comes to things like this... we are talking one to two generation trends... not a year electoral cycle, we are talking of two very different time lines.

And as I said, when it comes to this, being members of a team does not work.

Suffice it to say we are NOT number one on more than just a few major indices.

[bhikkhu]

36. The "number one" spot is an illusion built by fools

...and the sooner that whole idea is dropped, the better.

Other than that, I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. You can say the red team and the blue team matter little, and somehow this all has to do with export trends, or tourism, or whether we're number one or not, but that's varieties of nonsense - you could also say that the fine differences between, for instance, the good standard of equality in Europe, and the poor standard of equality in the US, is largely the result of many years of governmental policies definable entirely as "red team vs blue team" issues. In other words, in otherwise materially equivalent developed societies, the main differences in quality of life affecting the majority arise from political choices.

Good government and good policies have good results for the people that vote for them; both have been well-demonstrated in various ways around the world, and are well worth pursuing here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Yes, but we are an imperial power, and as such

both parties are into empire, and keeping it. That is where they stop mattering. One is better on internal policies, why they get my vote... but on this empire shtick, both are just as bad.

Hey, IKE warned us.

[leveymg]

38. Empire Falls

[jwirr]

43. Is this a new book or a documentary? Or just a poster.

[leveymg]

45. I believe it was originally an illustration for an '04 interview, here:

http://www.ocweekly.com/2004-03-18/news/empire-falls/

[jwirr]

47. Thank you.

[jwirr]

42. Tourism has its place but I feel sorry for any area that must rely on that alone. When I was an

archivist at a museum we promoted tourism as part of our diversified economy. The small communtiy had logging, manufacturing, and tourism/hospitality. That seems a better way to go for communities wherever they are.