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Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:12 AM

What… wha'? Chickens have uteruses, instead of oviducts?!? Since when, PETA?

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Reply What… wha'? Chickens have uteruses, instead of oviducts?!? Since when, PETA? (Original post)
MrScorpio Nov 2012 OP
DCKit Nov 2012 #1
Vattel Nov 2012 #8
Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #13
FarCenter Nov 2012 #17
Vattel Nov 2012 #53
yewberry Nov 2012 #23
Aerows Nov 2012 #92
Warpy Nov 2012 #102
Aerows Nov 2012 #111
yewberry Nov 2012 #118
jeff47 Nov 2012 #46
Vattel Nov 2012 #68
pnwmom Nov 2012 #85
Vattel Nov 2012 #95
pnwmom Nov 2012 #97
Vattel Nov 2012 #108
pnwmom Nov 2012 #112
Vattel Nov 2012 #114
jeff47 Nov 2012 #96
Vattel Nov 2012 #109
jeff47 Nov 2012 #115
Vattel Nov 2012 #116
jeff47 Nov 2012 #117
Vattel Nov 2012 #125
jeff47 Nov 2012 #128
Vattel Nov 2012 #129
snooper2 Nov 2012 #69
pnwmom Nov 2012 #83
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #113
Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #26
Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #2
loli phabay Nov 2012 #3
msanthrope Nov 2012 #27
snooper2 Nov 2012 #70
Aerows Nov 2012 #93
Matariki Nov 2012 #78
cleanhippie Nov 2012 #84
Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #4
Confusious Nov 2012 #21
william cail Nov 2012 #104
Brickbat Nov 2012 #5
Siwsan Nov 2012 #6
Vattel Nov 2012 #7
Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #12
Confusious Nov 2012 #22
Vattel Nov 2012 #54
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #58
Confusious Nov 2012 #60
Vattel Nov 2012 #65
yewberry Nov 2012 #62
Confusious Nov 2012 #63
Silent3 Nov 2012 #89
Confusious Nov 2012 #94
Silent3 Nov 2012 #98
Confusious Nov 2012 #100
Silent3 Nov 2012 #105
Confusious Nov 2012 #124
yewberry Nov 2012 #121
Confusious Nov 2012 #122
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #127
yewberry Nov 2012 #120
Confusious Nov 2012 #123
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #126
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #37
Vattel Nov 2012 #55
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #57
Vattel Nov 2012 #66
Logical Nov 2012 #9
66 dmhlt Nov 2012 #10
quinnox Nov 2012 #11
Igel Nov 2012 #15
FarCenter Nov 2012 #14
longship Nov 2012 #16
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #18
slackmaster Nov 2012 #19
piratefish08 Nov 2012 #20
yewberry Nov 2012 #24
quinnox Nov 2012 #28
Beaverhausen Nov 2012 #30
quinnox Nov 2012 #31
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quinnox Nov 2012 #33
yewberry Nov 2012 #38
liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #40
yewberry Nov 2012 #41
aikoaiko Nov 2012 #25
msanthrope Nov 2012 #29
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #34
quinnox Nov 2012 #35
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #47
quinnox Nov 2012 #48
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #36
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #49
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #50
liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #39
mysuzuki2 Nov 2012 #42
Retrograde Nov 2012 #43
Initech Nov 2012 #44
piratefish08 Nov 2012 #67
Initech Nov 2012 #72
whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #45
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #51
darkangel218 Nov 2012 #52
progressoid Nov 2012 #59
flvegan Nov 2012 #61
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flvegan Nov 2012 #103
NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #56
whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #73
Matariki Nov 2012 #75
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chloes1 Nov 2012 #71
geardaddy Nov 2012 #81
Matariki Nov 2012 #74
riqster Nov 2012 #107
liberalmuse Nov 2012 #76
MADem Nov 2012 #77
geardaddy Nov 2012 #79
earthside Nov 2012 #80
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pnwmom Nov 2012 #86
yawnmaster Nov 2012 #87
Tom Ripley Nov 2012 #90
Aerows Nov 2012 #91
Bake Nov 2012 #99
Hekate Nov 2012 #101
Chorophyll Nov 2012 #106
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #110
gort Nov 2012 #119

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:16 AM

1. Steamed some broccoli for dinner last night - heard it screaming. nt

 

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Response to DCKit (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:38 AM

8. Chickens that are used in egg production can suffer pain and distress. Brocolli can't.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:03 AM

13. The pain and distress in veg industrial farming comes in advance when small animals

are killed or otherwise driven from their natural habitat to create 'cruelty free feild' for growing the veg. The typical death toll is massive, particularly if one includes the inscet life that dies.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:45 AM

17. The soil is a living thing -- Just putting a spade in the ground kills countless living things.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:27 PM

53. I am not against killing nonsentient living things.

If I am ever a human vegetable (i.e., terminally comatose), I hope someone kills me.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:41 AM

23. As opposed to the tenfold increase in harvesting for feed for 'food animals?'

Say a pound of meat requires ten pounds of grain to produce. Are harvesting deaths and habitat destruction magically non-existent in producing that feed?

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Response to yewberry (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:58 PM

92. Chickens lay eggs

Whether or not they have ever seen a rooster in their lives. It's absolutely ridiculous to bitch about people eating eggs or drinking milk. People can successfully raise chickens in a cruelty free environment without environmental destruction, and frankly, cows don't take a whole lot of work for milk cows in rural areas.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #92)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:32 AM

102. My next door neighbor pampers his laying hens

long after they've stopped producing eggs. He keeps on feeding them until they keel over. He treats them as pets. The chickens spend the day scratching around and being chickens. At night they have a warm coop.

They have never seen a rooster. Once in a while one of them gets an egg stuck. My neighbor knows how to take care of it and does, as he keeps the coop clean and the chickens healthy and free of internal and external parasites.

To suggest any cruelty to these incredibly pampered chickens just because he eats their unfertilized eggs is nuts.

PETA needs to pick their battles one hell of a lot better.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #102)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:29 PM

111. I know!

Some people keep pet chickens so pampered that they are indoor chickens and have "chicken diapers". If you are eating an egg from a chicken so well loved (and they can be great pets, too) that it purposefully runs to you for safety and comfort, it's lunacy to call that abuse.

There is a reason why they are called domesticated animals - it's because they were bred to interact peacefully, usefully and compatibly with humans. If you turned a domesticated chicken out into the wild it would be a death sentence, which is why, yet again, PETA is stupid.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #92)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:09 PM

118. My post was about industrial agriculture. Perhaps you meant to respond to someone else?

And it might be absolutely ridiculous to bitch about people eating eggs or drinking milk if the vast majority of eggs and milk weren't produced in environmentally destructive, cruel conditions.

But they're not.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:30 PM

46. The fact that your biology class didn't teach you what plants do in response to damage

doesn't mean they don't suffer pain.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:56 AM

68. What evidence is there that they do feel pain?

Answer: none

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Response to Vattel (Reply #68)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:20 PM

85. They don't feel pain as we do, and chickens don't give birth the way we do.

You can't prove that an animal-style nervous system is the ONLY way to feel pain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/science/15food.html?pagewanted=all

Unlike a lowing, running cow, a plant’s reactions to attack are much harder for us to detect. But just like a chicken running around without its head, the body of a corn plant torn from the soil or sliced into pieces struggles to save itself, just as vigorously and just as uselessly, if much less obviously to the human ear and eye.

When a plant is wounded, its body immediately kicks into protection mode. It releases a bouquet of volatile chemicals, which in some cases have been shown to induce neighboring plants to pre-emptively step up their own chemical defenses and in other cases to lure in predators of the beasts that may be causing the damage to the plants. Inside the plant, repair systems are engaged and defenses are mounted, the molecular details of which scientists are still working out, but which involve signaling molecules coursing through the body to rally the cellular troops, even the enlisting of the genome itself, which begins churning out defense-related proteins.

Plants don’t just react to attacks, though. They stand forever at the ready. Witness the endless thorns, stinging hairs and deadly poisons with which they are armed. If all this effort doesn’t look like an organism trying to survive, then I’m not sure what would. Plants are not the inert pantries of sustenance we might wish them to be.

If a plant’s myriad efforts to keep from being eaten aren’t enough to stop you from heedlessly laying into that quinoa salad, then maybe knowing that plants can do any number of things that we typically think of as animal-like would. They move, for one thing, carrying out activities that could only be called behaving, if at a pace visible only via time-lapse photography. Not too long ago, scientists even reported evidence that plants could detect and grow differently depending on whether they were in the presence of close relatives, a level of behavioral sophistication most animals have not yet been found to show.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #85)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:16 PM

95. edging my way towards the door

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Response to Vattel (Reply #95)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:20 PM

97. Face it! There's nothing left to eat!

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #97)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:07 PM

108. fruits and nuts?

or does that raise the abortion issue?

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Response to Vattel (Reply #108)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:20 PM

112. You're right -- fruits and nuts. Do they contain all the essential amino acids?

And B-12? And the other essential nutrients?

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Response to Vattel (Reply #68)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:17 PM

96. The only difference between their response to damage and ours

is we have a step where our central nervous system is alerted so we can move away from the source of the damage.

They have something equivalent to every other part of our reaction to pain. Including the stuff that actually hurts, like swelling.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #96)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:08 PM

109. but the point is that they don't feel anything

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Response to Vattel (Reply #109)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:41 PM

115. My point is they do feel it. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #115)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:48 PM

116. Being alive, responding to stimuli, moving, etc are insufficent for sentiency

Humans can be alive, move, and respond to stimuli even when unconscious. As far as we can tell you need some neural equipment like we and many other animals have to be sentient.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #116)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:59 PM

117. No, your "as far as we can tell" is false.

They did an experiment where one person abused a plant, such as burning parts, ripping parts off, yelling at it and so on.
Another person treated the plant nicely - spoke nicely, gave the plant water and fertilizer.

They did this to measure the effects of the abuse on the plant. But an odd thing happened - the plant started reacting to the "evil" person before they interacted with the plant. In fact, it started preparing for damage even when the "evil" person just stood next to the plant and did nothing.

That pretty clearly demonstrates that the plant is doing much more than just reacting to stimuli. The plant was reacting without any known method of stimuli.

We're finding the concept of "consciousness" is trickier than we thought. Just like we used to think only humans and chimps made tools...until we found a lot of other animals making tools.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #117)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:39 AM

125. Those plant experiments have been debunked.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #125)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:14 AM

128. Whether or not you believe that one study, it's just an example

We're finding out all sorts of things that don't make sense from a "plants don't feel" perspective. How come some plants grow better when surrounded by their relatives?

Fact is something has to die for us to live. To pretend that is possible to do without inflicting any suffering is wrong.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #128)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:14 AM

129. I worry that this sort of new age silliness provides a rationalization for inflicting suffering

on beings that can actually suffer.

Seriously, can't you at least admit that I have more reason to believe that, say, dogs suffer than to believe that brocolli suffers?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:00 AM

69. I just KNEW this fucking cat was evil! It needs to be dealt with!

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Response to Vattel (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:13 PM

83. Have the broccoli ever told you that?

Lots of people think broccoli have feelings . . . .

In fact broccoli's feelings are AT LEAST every bit as real as chickens' periods.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:33 PM

113. Really. Have you ever harvested a vegetable of fruit by cutting it's connection to the plant.

If you haven't then try it. If you have, may be you should pay attention next time.

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Response to DCKit (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:04 PM

26. The Great Vegetable Rebellion is coming...

 

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:17 AM

2. Thanks for helping to spread the message

 

The only thing worse than bad publicity is no publicity

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:24 AM

3. actually i would say dumb or confusing publicity is the worse

 

Either were you have no idea what the ad is about or when its so dumb people laugh at you and the message you are trying to get across.

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:12 PM

27. Which is why Mitt Romney was so happy about the 47% video. nt

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:02 AM

70. I think it's a great message, it gives a whole new meaning to..

Getting your red wings

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #70)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:00 PM

93. facepalm

That was bad. Okay, I laughed a little, but that was a bloody bad pun.

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:32 PM

78. To spoiled children any attention is better than no attention.

Yeah they got attention, but not attention that furthers their cause.

That disgusting ad isn't going to make anyone a vegan who already isn't one. It's just going to make more people think peta is a useless organization full of immature idiots. And what does that get them?

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:16 PM

84. What message? That PETA is an unscrupulous, dishonest, ignorant bunch of yahoos?

I am all for the promotion of that message.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:27 AM

4. According to the Google, eggs ARE chicken menstruation

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicken+menstruation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

Sometimes the truth is weird.

But it is still the truth.

Enjoy your chicken-period and ham on toast...

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:26 AM

21. PETA is stupid according to google

http://www.google.com/search?q=peta+is+stupid&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en


What else do you believe because google says so?

Btw, only mammals, and only a select few menstrate. Menstrating is the shedding of the outer lining of the uterus. Chickens have no uterus, THEY LAY EGGS. Hence they do not menstrate, and hence PETA is stupid.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:39 AM

104. PeTA is just as dumb and climate change deniers

Just stop PeTA. Chickens laying eggs is a natural bodily function. Now I do buy my eggs cage free. I compare PeTA to the anit vaxxers. Being ignorant on science doesn't do you any good.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:30 AM

5. That must be what makes them taste so good.

PETA forcing its message through disparaging women? AGAIN?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:30 AM

6. This is an example of why so many people don't take PETA seriously.

There are ways to make points or state an issue without being obnoxious and offensive. PETA just seems to feel the need to shock, and shock rarely wins people over to a point of view.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:37 AM

7. PETA's claim about eggs coming from chicken menstruation is accurate apparently

but what a weird way to promote their viewpoint. Why not just provide evidence of the suffering that chickens go through because people are greedy and don't make egg production more humane?

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Response to Vattel (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:01 AM

12. seriously.. they're trying to gross people out, and it's a poor way to do it,

using "menstruation" as a negative, a reason not to eat eggs.
There needs to be a counter-ad, showing those chickens
leaping happily through fields of flowers as they lay their
eggs.

I'm glad PETA looks out for animals and they've had many
great victories. But this ad is stupid.

People have been eating eggs for zillions of eons.
It's the horrible mistreatment of chickens who are mass-laying
eggs under horrible conditions, THAT's the reason not to
eat those eggs -- not because hens expel the eggs from their
ladyparts.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:30 AM

22. Actually it's not

Only mammals menstrate, and then only a select few.

If you had taken a few moments to look it up, you would have found that.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:30 PM

54. I don't care whether the ad is factually accurate

That's why I didn't bother to look it up.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #54)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:35 PM

58. Neither did PETA apparently.

 

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Response to Vattel (Reply #54)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:08 PM

60. I certainly hope you're joking

Otherwise, it's sad.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #60)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:50 AM

65. The ad is stupid regardless of whether it is accurate. That's why I don't care.

I am against the inhumane treatment of egg-laying chickens, but not in favor of this sort of approach to opposing it.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:42 AM

62. Actually it's a reasonable parallel.

Eggs are released by human females, which also releases associated tissues and fluids.

Eggs are released by avian females, which releases the eggs from the uterus with a shell.


The definition is different, but the reproductive parallel exists.

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Response to yewberry (Reply #62)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:38 AM

63. Chickens have no uterus

So, no, it's not.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #63)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:01 PM

89. Why does the uterus parallel have to be there?

There are enough other parallels that I can see the point -- but only sort of. The Peta ad is still idiotic. Nevertheless, there are times when flexible, poetic use of language is a perfectly reasonable rhetorical technique, and strict rules of biology don't have to apply.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #89)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:08 PM

94. You need a uterus to have menstration

So there is no parallel.

Some parallels work in art. This isn't art, in any sense of the word. It's a political statement.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #94)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:23 PM

98. Menstruation occurs primarily to discard unfertilized eggs....

...and other tissue created in preparation for fertilization. Maybe that's not enough of a parallel for your sense of analogous concepts, but it's good enough that no one should be getting up on their high horse declaring with annoyance or disdain such an analogy to be flat-out WRONG!!1!11!

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #98)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:42 AM

100. Like I said, it's a political statement

not art.

Even if it were art, There's plenty of reason to get up on your horse when dipshits like PETA distort science. Or any dipshit for that matter.

We make fun of Republicans here all the time when they spew bullshit about, or misuse, science. Why not PETA?

(Internet as a bunch of tubes by Ted Stevens comes to mind. That was a MUCH BETTER analogy, though wrong on the face of it, and we constantly berate him for it.

Why was it better? My EE teachers used the analogy of wires as tubes, voltage as water pressure, and the water as current.)

Unless of course you like to give people a pass on lying and bullshiting when they agree with you, or happen to be on your side of the isle.

I don't.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #100)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:46 AM

105. I already said the Peta ad is idiotic...

...so I'm not defending Peta at all. I think they're zealots who do their own cause more harm than good.

I hardly want to stand in the way of anyone making fun of Peta, Ted Stevens, or anyone else richly deserving ridicule. However, if someone had played Captain Obvious when talking about Stevens, and said with great disdain, "The internet uses SOLID wires, there's no hollow space inside, so it can't be tubes!", I would have jumped in to say that Stevens analogy wasn't all that bad, in and of itself, for certain limited uses.

What spoils such analogies for both Peta and Stevens is inept bumbling usage of those analogies. In Steven's case, he seemed so clueless that you had to wonder if he might have literally meant tubes. In Peta's case, I don't think they're deliberately misrepresenting the biology, they're just so determined to go for the gross-out factor that they're playing up a loose analogy like it's a much stronger one.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #105)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:47 AM

124. It's PETA

People for the Ethical Treatment of ANIMALS.

A. If they don't know the difference, they're stupid and ignorant. They are for ANIMALS after all. Wouldn't it be smart to know basic biology if you love the animals so much?

or

B. They do know, and are purposefully distorting things to gross people out. Which is deceitful and dishonest.

So either way, they're either stupid or liars. I don't care for either.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #94)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:45 AM

121. Once again, afemale chicken does have a uterus.

The analogy is completely valid.

The parallel processes of egg release among humans and chickens might be different in a few ways, but the egg release itself is similar. No, this is not art. It's simple biology.

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Response to yewberry (Reply #121)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:36 AM

122. Here is an explanation of the anatomy of a chicken

Last edited Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:07 AM - Edit history (2)

Find me the MFing uterus.

http://www.poultryhub.org/physiology/anatomy-of-the-chicken-learning-resource/

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Response to Confusious (Reply #122)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:51 AM

127. And, again see Plate VIIa for the user of the term 'uterus' (nt)

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Response to Confusious (Reply #63)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:38 AM

120. Really? Female chickens have no uterus? Ever heard of a shell gland?

That's the UTERUS.

So yeah, it is absolutely analogous.

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Response to yewberry (Reply #120)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:38 AM

123. Bullshit


If it makes a MFing egg, then it's an ovary.

shell gland: "Zoology a gland in certain invertebrates that secretes the components required for forming the shell of an egg"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shell+gland
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shell+gland

Chickens are vertebrates.

Seriously, remedial biology classes for you.


"Might as well call a horse a dog, it's analogous" Hyuck, Hyuck.

Find me the MFing uterus on this picture:

http://www2.ca.uky.edu/afspoultry-files/pubs/Anatomy_Female_reproductive.pdf

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Response to Confusious (Reply #123)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:48 AM

126. See figure 3 of the PDF

That has actually backed up the used of 'uterus' as an alternate name for 'shell gland' in chicken reproductive biology.

Not that I think the PETA 'menstruation' ad is anything other than an idiotic attempt to make a few people go "yuck - bodily processes! I never want to have anything to do with them!".

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Response to Vattel (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:20 PM

37. You could easily post a picture of a plant growing out of a pile of manure

 

and point out that plants thrive on excrement and convert that in to vegetable matter.

So when you're eating a plant you're eating shit, once removed.

/at least with meat you have two degrees of separation.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:31 PM

55. I am desperately trying to figure out what your point might be.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #55)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:34 PM

57. It's pretty obvious

 

PETA is using the "ewww icky" factor to discredit eating eggs.

That could easily be applied to any food item if you try just a bit.

So as an argument goes that's pretty idiotic.

PETA has jumped the shark on this one. Or they would have if shark jumping weren't comparable to torture BECAUSE SHARKS ARE PEOPLE TOO!

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #57)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:51 AM

66. Okay, but why was your post directed towards me?

I agree that the ad is dumb. You should read the posts you respond to.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:39 AM

9. PETA has become a parody at this point!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:46 AM

10. I'm a vegetarian. NOT because I love animals ...

But because I HATE plants.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:54 AM

11. PETA strikes again

 

There were some PETA fans giving me a hard time in a different thread, let's hear them justify this, and tell me I should feel guilty every time I eat an egg. I get the feeling it will be *crickets* on this one.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:30 AM

15. Just respond with "ovum" form "sperm" in the Mounty Python song. 'Nuff said.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:17 AM

14. Poor chickens -- PMS once a day!

But the egg is laid whether it is fertilized or not. There is rarely any bleeding, and then usually only when young pullets lay a large egg.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:42 AM

16. PETA is ridiculous.

Don't listen to PETA. Period.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:46 AM

18. What a ridiculous and disgusting add

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:48 AM

19. Offensive and ridiculous

 

PETA is making itself less and less relevant as it gets more strident.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:51 AM

20. and they want to be taken seriously? PETA has jumped the shark.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:53 AM

24. Oh, can it be?

Someone has gone out in search of something to mock and come back with peta material? Imagine that! Incidentally, female chickens do actually have a uterus--it's also referred to as the shell gland.

It'd probably be more accurate to say that chicken eggs result from a process analogous to human menstruation. Better?

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Response to yewberry (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:12 PM

28. so do you agree with PETA about the no eating eggs

 

thing?

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Response to quinnox (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:17 PM

30. Do you seriously not know one person who doesn't eat any animal products?

Just like the other thread, you seem shocked that anyone would choose to be a vegan.

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:20 PM

31. that is irrelevent

 

Let me guess, you have no problem with the ad and think it makes a good point.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:35 PM

32. No, that is what is irrelevant

You asked the other poster if he or she agreed on the 'no eating eggs thing' - not on the ad. I know many vegans who might think this ad is stupid but still don't eat eggs.

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:55 PM

33. well the reason I asked was they seemed to be indignant about the people mocking the ad and PETA

 

so I figured they might agree with the thrust of the ad, but wasn't sure.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:27 PM

38. What I eat is the relevant question?

Hardly indignant-- just pointing out that this is the second time this week that someone has gone in search of something to be offended by and brought back peta material.

While the vegetarians and vegans at DU have varying degrees of support for peta as an organization, many of these threads dance right up to the line of insulting DUers and quite often cross it.

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Response to yewberry (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:51 PM

40. you're right. we should all be more respectful

What you choose to eat should be respected as should those of us who choose to eat meat and processed food. I've never understood the everybody should have to do what I do mentallity. If something works for you that's fantastic. Do it. If you don't like to eat meat. Don't eat meat. If you do like to eat meat. Eat meat. I don't see the need for either side to have hostilities toward the other.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #40)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:04 PM

41. Exactly. There's no reason for needling.

If there's a newsworthy story to post on the subject, go for it. But really, there's no reason to post flamebait, is there?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:58 AM

25. Bless their hearts.


I like to dip toast in the runny yolks.


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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:13 PM

29. Umm...I know what I'm having for breakfast!!! nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:03 PM

34. I love it when radical omnivores propagate PETA ads.

So sorry if you had an upset.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:15 PM

35. "radical omnivores"

 




That's a new one to me!

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Response to quinnox (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 04:07 PM

47. Seems fair to me.

Now go back to stuffing your gob with old dead animals.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 04:30 PM

48. wow, you are a hardcore

 

PETA person.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:17 PM

36. Is that real?

 

It's getting hard to tell a legitimate PETA ad from a satirical PETA ad mocking their unhinged views.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 04:31 PM

49. Legitimate PETA ads are basically autosatirizing by now. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 05:21 PM

50. They're the weird Al of the Cause world

 

you can't parody them. They *are* the parody.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:31 PM

39. I love eggs

I eat them everyday for breaksfast. PETA needs to quit trying to get people to quit eating animals and concentrate on educating people on the abuse those animals receive. Americans are never going to quit eating animals but we could put pressure on the farmers and the distributors to treat them and kill them humanely.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:10 PM

42. The only animals that menstruate are haplorine primates.

These are apes (including humans), both old world and new world monkeys and tarsiers. Really, there seem to be few of the PETA extremists that know much about biology.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:17 PM

43. Don't they teach biology in high school anymore?

For example, the differences between mammals and birds? Or the human reproductive cycle?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:17 PM

44. They also claim chickens can do basic math. Insane.

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Response to Initech (Reply #44)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:54 AM

67. I lost a bingo game to a chicken in Vegas once. Damn intellectual elite poultry.

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Response to piratefish08 (Reply #67)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:47 AM

72. I always like this line from The Simpsons Movie:

"Damn!! I got distracted by an idiot!!"
"Hey! I know how you feel! I lost a game of tic tac toe to a chicken!!"

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:24 PM

45. I'm a vegetarian, and support peta (in spirit), but this approach is lame at best

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 05:33 PM

51. Hey, PETA. I just finished eating a turkey sandwich.

About to leave for work now. I work night shift - 12 hours. I have some turkey stew and a turkey sandwich packed in my (midnight) lunch sack.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #51)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 05:37 PM

52. +1!

I cooked a pan full of chicken tighs, about to eat them now!

Sorry PETA! :p

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #51)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 07:10 PM

59. I made the mistake of leaving the tupperware open on the counter.

The last serving of turkey was enjoyed by one of our cats. Bad kitty.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #51)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:57 PM

61. How original.

Could have otherwise been phoned in as "I didn't read into it, so I answered ignorantly"

Go ahead jury, have at it.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 04:50 PM

88. So what do you expect on the day after Thanksgiving?

This morning I had eggs with cheddar cheeese scrambled in.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #88)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:00 AM

103. Exactly what I got. Thanks. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:33 PM

56. PETA - giving Leftists a bad name. nt

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:17 PM

73. "Leftists"

Interesting how often that Cold War Pejorative is used on DU...

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:25 PM

75. peta isn't 'leftest'. They're more like right wing anti-choice zealots.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:07 AM

64. Once again, my belief about PETA is upheld

I figure PETA is there to make the rest of the animal welfare groups look good by comparison. And with high-class (and wrong) ads like this one, I'm proven right time and time again.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:16 AM

71. Look, I eat eggs

because the chicken will lay the egg whether I eat the egg or not. Chickens laid eggs before man tampered with them, I actually own chickens so I have no problem eating their eggs.

It's the factory conditions that are so abhorrent; at least to me.

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Response to chloes1 (Reply #71)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:47 PM

81. +1000 n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:23 PM

74. God, I really hate these evengelicalizing assholes.

They want to be vegans. Fine. Totally fine personal decision. But they act like a bunch of petulant teenagers wanting to shock everyone into their shiny new life style.

Fuck off peta. Grow up and do something actually useful.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #74)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:28 PM

107. "Evangelist Assholes" is redundant

Never met an evangelist of any sort that didn't make my fist itch.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:26 PM

76. I'm a vegetarian, but...

this is tasteless (no pun intended).

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:28 PM

77. Idiots.

Every time they do a good thing, like call attention to lab animals being tortured, they fuck it up and make themselves look like morons and whack-a-doodles when they do stupidd shit like this!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:40 PM

79. If they really want to gross people out

they should just point out that eggs come out of the same hole as waste.



The cloaca.

That said, I'll take my sunny side up, please.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:44 PM

80. Why PETA is a J-O-K-E.

First I looked for the original source just to make sure that this wasn't some kind of disinformation meant to smear PETA.

But it is PETA: http://www.peta.org/features/would-you-eat-a-chickens-period.aspx

So, the PETA tactic seems to be that any publicity is good publicity, especially if they can make the news by offending average, ordinary folks who are trying the best they can to survive in this economy.

Well, even for those who might at some level be sympathetic, this kind of 'publicity' tends to make PETA what apparently it is: a joke.

But what do they care? Always some celebrity ready to be pictured for their cause ... that's an effective message for regular folks ... millionaires who have the luxury to be 'vegans' ... ( yeah, really, I'll bet ).

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:05 PM

82. Ya know, this is why I once suggested a new slogan to PETA. . .

"Eat P***y, Not Meat"

and consequently got banned from their site.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:27 PM

86. Wait! What would be wrong with that? It wouldn't hurt the menstruating female

if someone collected their already expelled menstrual fluids from the toilet, and consumed them. (Presuming the female herself had no interest in doing so herself.)

In fact, menstrual fluid probably is an excellent source of iron and protein . . .

People eat placentas, right? Wouldn't it be like eating a pre-placenta?

Maybe PETA has an idea here, they just don't know it!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:01 PM

87. I only eat eggs from chickens that either have had their uterus removed...

or were naturally born without one.
( I don't go for chickens that have been genetically modified by man to not have a uterus).

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:45 PM

90. What? They are branching out from their old standbys of sex or guilt?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:55 PM

91. PETA is crazy

Just flat out a crazy organization.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:37 PM

99. Is there a more perfect food than the egg? I think not!

Good for any meal ... can be prepared many different ways ... so tasty!

Just this past weekend, we fried eggs, we scrambled eggs, put crumbled hard boiled eggs on salad, whipped up a perfect meringue for the banana pudding. As an ingredient in other dishes, the egg's uses are myriad!

Mmmmmmmm ... eggs!



Bake

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:02 AM

101. PETA would do more good in this world if they promoted backyard chickens

My 4 hens are happy girls. My neighbors love the extra eggs I give away, and one of my neighbors likes my hens so much he got some of his own.

Having backyard chickens is easy, once you decide to do it. It doesn't get much more humane than letting them peck around in their space (in our case, a fenced side yard), putting out chicken kibble, and giving them a lot of your leftovers.

The more we promote that idea, the fewer chicken factories there will be. Working for tough regulations on said factories would help too.

But PETA? I think they live to gross people out, not come up with creative solutions for the problems they pose. Honestly, that ad is disgusting. But who in hell is going to give up scrambled eggs for breakfast because of it? I have no respect for them or their tactics.

In Hawai'ian the word for egg is hua moa: the fruit of the chicken. Just as it doesn't hurt an orange tree to pluck fruit from it, it doesn't hurt a naturally kept chicken to take its highly nutritious and delicious egg away every day.

Hekate

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:48 AM

106. PETA once again proves that human women are yucky.

I'd have a lot more respect for them if they stopped obsessing on women's body hair and bodily functions. Asshats.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:12 PM

110. which begs the question- why can't women lay decent eggs...?

 

i know i'd like a fresh omelet for breakfast once in awhile...

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:20 PM

119. I think the more important question is:

Do chickens have talons?

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