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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:49 PM

Ben Stein Has Done The Math. Breaks The Rule Of Telling The Truth On Fox News

The economist has spoken. Itís time to raise some taxes.


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Reply Ben Stein Has Done The Math. Breaks The Rule Of Telling The Truth On Fox News (Original post)
Playinghardball Nov 2012 OP
JaneyVee Nov 2012 #1
budkin Nov 2012 #2
brooklynite Nov 2012 #3
Schema Thing Nov 2012 #6
BlueStreak Nov 2012 #4
Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #11
BlueStreak Nov 2012 #19
MNBrewer Nov 2012 #5
Enrique Nov 2012 #7
sarisataka Nov 2012 #8
struggle4progress Nov 2012 #10
Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #12
struggle4progress Nov 2012 #13
Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #16
RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #15
Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #17
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #9
Marr Nov 2012 #14
nilram Nov 2012 #18

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:51 PM

1. When the GOP loses that sheep you know the flock is in disarray.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:57 PM

2. Bueller... Bueller... Fox... Fox

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:07 PM

3. Actualy, I think he said this a month or two ago.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:47 PM

6. He's been saying this for years, actually.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:23 PM

4. It is called "giving up the sleeves off his vest"

It is complete bullshit. The top marginal tax is completely irrelevant because none of the rich pay any significant taxes at that rate. Raise that to 99% and it wouldn't affect any of the 0.1%

Here's what DOES affect them and you notice that neither Ben Stein nor Barack Obama is talking about any of these things:

a) Setting the cap gains rate back to 20% where it was under Clinton, or better yet, putting it back to the same rate as earned income, just as Reagen had it -- that was one of the tax increases Reagen pushed for.

b) Move dividend taxes back to the earned income rate, as they were under Clinton.

c) Get rid of billionaire's loopholes like carried interest that allows them to launder their income under the special low cap gains rate.

d) Do something about all the Enron-style fake corporate structures and offshore tricks used to hide income from taxation altogether.

Nobody is talking about these things. They are all talking about the bullshit top marginal rate that makes no difference at all. They are all selling us out, including Obama.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:45 PM

11. While I wouldn't go so far as to call it complete bullshit....

Your points are well taken. All of those things would go far in raising revenue from the top 1%.

But I'd still raise the rates.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:06 PM

19. Raising the bogus rate is the ONLY thing anybody is talking about. They are playing us for fools.

When the cameras are turned off, Obama and Boehner pop open a 5th of scotch are yuk it up about how stupid the public is.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:25 PM

5. Ben Stein is NOT an economist.

He's a lawyer, "actor", and writer, but not an economist. Just because he's talking here about money doesn't make him one.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:56 PM

7. you're right

I always thought he was an economist for some reason. Maybe because everyone calls him one. But I just checked quickly and you're right he's not.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:58 PM

8. He did major in economics

and graduated with honors before law school. True he is not nor ever has been an economist per se.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:39 PM

10. Picky picky picky! He did play an economist in Ferris Bueller's Day Off!

What more could Republicans possibly need, in order to take his economic thoughts seriously?

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:48 PM

12. Uhh, really?

I thought he played a teacher or school administrator.



I think his "economist" cred comes from that old TV show "Win Ben Stein's Money." That and his numerous appearances on talk TV talking about economics.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:53 PM

13. Boring Economics Teacher

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:32 PM

16. I guess I thought of him as a history teacher....

We didn't have Economics in HS where I graduated. At least I don't remember it.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:54 PM

15. Maybe not, but he is the best thing the GOP has going, apparently the smartest in the bunch

 

The only one capable of using logic and common sense.

He must be wondering to himself, 'I'm not really an economist, how is it I am the smartest guy around?'

Because you don't have to be an economist to use basic logic and common sense, but the politicians and corporate media have their heads so far up their asses, they think we are just as stupid as they are.

Why would we let the most corrupt disgusting corporate media ever lead this discussion, and allow they most hated Congress ever...to make policy decisions that the rest of us must suffer and die under?

WE have to realize we are ALL smarter than the corporate media and idiot politicians and start acting like it.

WE the PEOPLE need to take back our power.

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Response to RepublicansRZombies (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:34 PM

17. Like Bill Clinton said, It ain't calculus, it's arithmetic...

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:11 PM

9. Did he get out alive?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:53 PM

14. There should be a name for moments like that. When an "expert" suddenly becomes

"naive" or "uninformed".

I've noticed it happens all the time in ideological environments, to anyone who acknowledges that the emperor is naked.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:12 PM

18. And the look on his face, like he wants to run!

Though I know that's a frame that the graphic artist chose, it does tell a story.

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