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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:32 AM

U.S. officials tell state(Pa.)to use same standards to grade charter schools

PHILADELPHIA -- Federal education officials have denied Pennsylvania's request to evaluate charter school achievement using more lenient criteria, saying they must be assessed by the same standard as traditional schools.

The rejection means Pennsylvania cannot substitute a less stringent method for measuring "adequate yearly progress," the federal benchmark known as AYP. Critics said the formula artificially inflated charter schools' performance for political reasons.

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Reply U.S. officials tell state(Pa.)to use same standards to grade charter schools (Original post)
yortsed snacilbuper Nov 2012 OP
hack89 Nov 2012 #1
summerschild Nov 2012 #2
Patiod Nov 2012 #5
summerschild Nov 2012 #12
Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #3
SoapBox Nov 2012 #8
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #19
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #18
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #4
silhouete2 Nov 2012 #6
Ed Suspicious Nov 2012 #7
Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #14
Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #9
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #10
proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #11
sulphurdunn Nov 2012 #15
proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #16
Klukie Nov 2012 #24
Klukie Nov 2012 #25
proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #26
Klukie Nov 2012 #27
FourScore Nov 2012 #13
gristy Nov 2012 #20
FourScore Nov 2012 #28
savebigbird Nov 2012 #22
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #17
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #21
freshwest Nov 2012 #23

Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:35 AM

1. That's what Rhode Island does and it works well. nt

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:23 AM

2. Critics said the formula artificially inflated charter schools' performance for political reasons.

Or was that for profit reasons? Silly me - same difference!

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Response to summerschild (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:42 AM

5. Philadelphia charters have been extremely corrupt

There are articles in our local paper all the time about management skimming money, cheating on tests, and even one school where they opened a speakeasy in the basement after school hours (seriously),

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Response to Patiod (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:00 PM

12. It's just a matter of time until your Philadelphia story begins to unfold here.

The first jack-out-of-the-box here, the former mayor (who lost re-election just before the posse was let lose) announced he was applying for 90+ charter school licenses. He had been heavily implicated in dozens of nefarious "deals" during his too many years in office. Tried his best to cut a deal to sell our utility company, profited from real estate sales made possible by rezonings and city redevelopment plans..... it went on and on.....

So he was just among the first to smell the money and jump in.... I think he wound up with several licenses but not the huge number he intended to.

I've no doubt there's a substantial number of other crooks we just don't know about yet, but I've no doubt his will surface as problems soon. It's that old "leopards and their spots" thing.


Help me remember. Did we really have a problem with teachers before Bush's No Child Left Behind? Seems that's when teachers and their unions became demons as the Republicans created a problem to sell their "fix".

I'm just afraid a large number of our citizenry doesn't understand how vital public education is to this nation.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:25 AM

3. You need to send those vibes our way....

Washington State just fell for the charter school mantra and voted them in.

I fear for our students, frankly.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:16 PM

8. Oh ya...

That "Charter" thing needs to go away and be replaced with "FOR Profit" school.

Here in Los Angeles, even the Mayor has his fingers in a FOR PROFIT school company.

Such bullshit that has been going on all across the country.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:29 PM

19. villagarosa (sp?) is definitely in their pockets.

 

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:28 PM

18. +1

 

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:41 AM

4. lmao. lmao

Just, laughing my ass off.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:56 AM

6. That is the unfairness of the charter school system

They get the easier breaks, but hte public schools do not. So they CANNOT be compared--yet they do and charters look better. I'm all for a different kind of school--because some kids need something different--BUT if they are gong to receive tax money to fund their schools, then they damn well better be graded on the same curve as the rest of us. And if they faiil, then they deserve the same repurcussions as the public schools that don't make "adequate" AYP. Of course, we could simply throw out NCLB--and fund ALL our schools equally--so that those of us who teach in a lower socio-economic level at least stand a chance. NCLB hurts the schools that teach minorities, second language learners, students with more IEPs than any other. But good for the feds for enforcing NCLB across the board. Let the charter schools feel the pain of unrealistic expectations regarding AYP and API, just like the rest of us do in public schools.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:07 PM

7. If student success truly were the charter system's intent this wouldn't even be a story.

If student success is their intent, they should be calling for tougher standards for all.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:16 PM

14. QFT........nt

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:17 PM

9. k&r

Sauce for the gander.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:41 PM

10. Parochial and private schools are still exempt. Just sayin'.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:00 PM

11. Since they aren't funded by tax dollars

why shouldn't they be exempt?

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:19 PM

15. Voucher schemes

subsidize private schools with public money, and they are not held accountable.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:27 PM

16. True

Thankfully not where I teach.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:05 AM

24. Here is another nuance that is involved in all of this....

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:23 AM

25. Here is a link that lists the "underperforming" public schools

and the eligible parochial/private schools that the students can transfer to via a scholarship that is funded with corporate tax credits. Please keep in mind that what they define as underperforming only applies to public schools and the criteria is any school that is in the bottom 15% of the state standard (PSSA). Many of these schools have met AYP, however they are in the overall bottom 15% because there will always be a bottom 15%. Students that are eligible cannot transfer to another public school within their own district and the options within their district appear to be all parochial/private schools. I wonder if a school loses funding for the child when he or she goes elsewhere?
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/school_services_office/9153/p/1202312

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Response to Klukie (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:32 AM

26. Yes they lose funding when kids go elsewhere

That's the point.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:36 AM

27. Kind of figured that...Corbett needs to go!

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:02 PM

13. That's okay with me because they don't take public funding.

Charter schools are essentially private schools financially (in the sense that they are "for profit"), but work under the guise of being a "public school alternative".

My kids went to a private school for a while (until we could no longer afford it). The education quality really was superior because they were not being taught to pass state and federal mandated tests, but rather they were taught to learn. It was comprehensive. For example, when studying the Great Depression in social studies, they might read The Grapes of Wrath in English at the same time. It really was better. Now my kids are in public schools and it is staggering how much pressure there is to prepare for all the exams coming down the pike.

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Response to FourScore (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:54 PM

20. they do get public funding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_school

"Charter schools are primary or secondary schools that receive public money (and like other schools, may also receive private donations) but are not subject to some of the rules, regulations, and statutes that apply to other public schools. Instead, charter schools are expected to produce certain results, set forth in each school's charter."

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Response to gristy (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:47 PM

28. I am saying PRIVATE schools don't get public funding. Of course charter schools get it. n/t

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Response to FourScore (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:18 PM

22. Sure, maybe...UNTIL VOUCHERS COME TO TOWN! n/t

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:30 PM

17. K&R!

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:56 PM

21. BREAKING: Feds Set Higher Standards for Charter Schools in PA

 

Just predicting the Fox News headline...

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:25 AM

23. Good work by the feds. They want the money, they have to be regulated. Eliminate the cronyism.

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