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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:41 AM

What's your opinion of teachers who cross the picket line?

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Both the support and faculty unions at the university I attend have been going on rotating strikes these past few weeks. They have been striking on random days, giving 72 hours notice as per law. We've missed about 4 days of classes so far these past several weeks. I support teachers unions 100% but I have to say that this IS fucking up our semester, especially for those students who are already struggling.

Now the vast majority of teachers don't cross the picket line. Whether it's the support union OR teachers unions. Many join the line fact, some even in support of the support staff strikes. However I've had one teacher make it clear to us that he doesn't agree with this strike (there is nothing special about this one just asking for better pay and benefits and they AREN'T overpaid compared to other colleges) and is making a point of being at the school during his office and lab hours. Of course he isn't teaching a class because that would further penalize the students who don't show up. But he want's to make it clear he will be there to help any students who decide to come in, crossing the picket line to do so, and want help. I can sympathize with wanting to help students during this period but crossing the picket line is a real dick move IMHO.

I actually like the guy and think he's an ok teacher but I'm starting to think he may be a right winger which would be too bad. I'm not all that convinced he cares about the students because while he mentioned how unfair it is to the students he ALSO told a story about how the last time there was a strike he just went off and did some extra contract work to get extra pay during the strike.

What's your opinion?

One thing to note about this university is that they put extra emphasis on drawing teachers from industry, the school is very job / business oriented and works very closely with industry both in student placement as well as in class design. This means that many of the teachers don't necessarily have an academic background and there may be a higher percentage of right wingers.

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Reply What's your opinion of teachers who cross the picket line? (Original post)
Locut0s Nov 2012 OP
Mothdust Nov 2012 #1
Locut0s Nov 2012 #2
Mothdust Nov 2012 #3
Shrike47 Nov 2012 #4
Edweird Nov 2012 #5
Locut0s Nov 2012 #6
Edweird Nov 2012 #7
B Calm Nov 2012 #8
newfie11 Nov 2012 #9
Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #10
Riley18 Nov 2012 #13
Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #14
Riley18 Nov 2012 #16
Locut0s Nov 2012 #21
Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #11
Riley18 Nov 2012 #12
lunatica Nov 2012 #15
Locut0s Nov 2012 #23
Sancho Nov 2012 #17
Smarmie Doofus Nov 2012 #18
Chloe3 Nov 2012 #19
mike_c Nov 2012 #20
Locut0s Nov 2012 #22
RagAss Nov 2012 #24

Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:52 AM

1. no one should cross a picket line

Especially of teachers! The only people who do are the administrators. Everyone else would be shunned. Teachers or students who crossed would be a-holes and substitutes should have their tires slashed : ) I hope no one is offendedn but that's life in the big city.

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Response to Mothdust (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:00 AM

2. Yeah that's basically how I thought most union members felt, especially teachers so...

so it surprised me this teacher said this. However from asking around, my father is a teacher, I know that some few teachers DO do it. But yeah I think most would be shunned for doing so.

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Response to Locut0s (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:24 AM

3. well and the thing is

Everyone knows that when they accept a union job and pay that is based upon the hard fight and work of others who came before them to secure improved working conditions and academic freedom. They know that every time they cash their paycheck. Each employee is responsible to save for possibility of a strike. Those who don't are basically selfish and irresponsible.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:25 AM

4. I think people who cross the line are driven.

Either they can't afford not to go in or their contract requires crossing. (I had to cross at my last job because as a matter of law we were not allowed to strike and we each had professional obligations to a different authority that was not part of the strike.)

We could, however, and did go out and walk the picket line at lunch.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:39 AM

5. Don't cross. If you don't have solidarity, you've got nothing.

 

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Response to Edweird (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:46 AM

6. I'm a student.

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Response to Locut0s (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:09 AM

7. I got that. You asked for opinions on teachers that cross picket lines.

 

They shouldn't.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:18 AM

8. A union is as strong as the membership.

When you get members like this ass kisser, it only weakens the union.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:40 AM

9. Crossing picket line=SCAB. Nt

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 07:51 AM

10. They may care more about education...

 

... than their personal benefits.

That is more of the "old school" stereotype though.

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Response to Lightbulb_on (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:30 AM

13. I am a teacher and I fully support my union

because I strongly support the education of ALL students. If those teachers who think they are somehow more of a teacher because they cross a picket line had studied Labor History, they would understand that supporting the union is standing with a stronger educational system that works for every student not just for the privleliged few.

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Response to Riley18 (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:47 AM

14. In a grand ethereal sense perhaps...

 

However, as per the OP this specific strike isn't about educating all students.

there is nothing special about this one just asking for better pay and benefits


They aren't mutually exclusive, education and personal benefit, but each individual has to choose which is most important to them.

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Response to Lightbulb_on (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:00 AM

16. The OP also stated that this teacher is

not teaching since all students are not present. To say this one teacher is only concerned for the students implies we know his true motive. The same could be said for the striking teachers. I can say from personal experience that if my salary was more adequate, I would be a better teacher. When teachers have to work second jobs to pay their bills there is less time devoted to planning and instruction.

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Response to Riley18 (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:01 AM

21. In fact I'm not all that convinced he cares a huge amount about the students...

He mentioned how unfair it is to the students BUT he also told a story about how the last time there was a strike he just went off and did some extra contract work to get extra pay during the strike.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 07:54 AM

11. They are scabs

Even lower than zombies here at DU.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:23 AM

12. Should not cross the picket line for any reason.

This teacher is not accomplishing anything - no students there so he is just announcing he does not respect his colleagues.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:53 AM

15. When the staff at UC Berkeley went on strike for 3 days both students and teachers

joined us. As a matter of fact since we shut the entire university down for three days most of the department managers and the Grad Student Instructors joined us too. The construction workers refused to cross the picket lines too. One union member stood all by herself as the line at one of the off-campus construction sites for the three days and manages to convince the hard hats to honor her line.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:08 AM

23. Good to hear. 3 Days is nice and short though. When school strikes go one for 2+ weeks then...

things get really bad for both sides. Not sure how long ours is going to last but they are starting to escalate it slowly and there's precedent for a 2 week long strike (some years back they had one).

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:02 AM

17. Don't cross the line...

faculty love their jobs and students, but the best thing to do is get a fair contract so that education can continue.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:06 AM

18. Same as yours: "a dick move".

Except we're not supposed to say "d---" anymore 'cause it's sexist.

I think.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:37 AM

19. no one should cross a picket line.

The unions actually have the students', teachers', and all workers' best interest at heart. The same cannot be said of those only looking at money and trying to give bonuses to a few while the rest are left to live on less and less every year.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:50 PM

20. I'm an officer in my faculty union...

...and was our campus strike coordinator during the run up to a strike this fall, which was averted at the last minute by a contract settlement, so I've thought about this problem a lot. I recognize that we have colleagues who will cross the picket line for a variety of reasons, so of them admirable, some not so much. My philosophy for dealing with this was to maintain strict traffic control for campus access, and ask colleagues crossing the picket lines to join us, but to acknowledge their rights to cross the line if they wished-- just at a very slow and aggravating pace. We practiced traffic control at the CSU East Bay strike a year ago and while those wishing to cross the picket probably did so-- staff were explicitly told they MUST be at work, for example-- it took them a LONG time to get to the front of the line and make it onto campus. The traffic jams at each campus entrance were epic.

Ultimately, I was glad we settled, in part because I wasn't looking forward to dealing with the few colleagues I anticipated would insist on crossing the picket line. Like you, I think it's a dick move.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:06 AM

22. Hmm. Thanks for that perspective. nt.

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Response to Locut0s (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:36 AM

24. From the son of a teacher....

They're Fucking Scum !

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