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Fri Nov 23, 2012, 08:10 PM

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That is the number of murders, to date, in Washington, DC. Washington, DC, many will recall, was once the Murder Capital Of The United States.

It is now on track to have fewer than 100 murders in a year for the first time since 1963. In the not too distant past, the rate approached 500 in several years.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/23/15391905-washington-dc-set-to-post-fewer-than-100-murders-this-year-a-first-since-1963?lite


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Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 OP
alfredo Nov 2012 #1
RB TexLa Nov 2012 #2
NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #3
reACTIONary Nov 2012 #4
Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #6
obxhead Nov 2012 #7
reACTIONary Nov 2012 #10
NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #16
obxhead Nov 2012 #8
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #12
reACTIONary Nov 2012 #13
obxhead Nov 2012 #5
Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #9
bhikkhu Nov 2012 #11
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #14
tavalon Nov 2012 #15

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 08:47 PM

1. That's a good trend.

I lived in Detroit when the number hit 800.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 08:50 PM

2. New Orleans is down to 165 this year. Lowering the population helped lower it

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:38 PM

3. very cool!

 

the Obama effect? Or what?

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Response to NoMoreWarNow (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:39 PM

4. Not likely... This is a long term trend...

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... I don't have the numbers close to hand, but crime in general, and violent crime have been on a downward trend for a long, long time.

Explanations vary, and of course anyone who has a pet theory wants to take credit, but the most interesting theory I have heard is that it is due to the control of environmental lead.

Lead poisoning has some pretty well understood developmental effects that increase impulsivity, reactivity and other traits that strongly correlate with criminal behavior. Epidemiological studies have found a strong correlation between decreasing environmental lead and decreasing crime rate.

Here is an article about this explanation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/07/AR2007070701073.html

Some epidemiological research:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080527201839.htm

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:46 PM

6. Lead paint in crumbling inner-city homes…

Yeah, it makes sense.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:50 PM

7. I'm interested.....

Have any links for this?

I ask because as a NOVA (Northern VA) resident and worker for 25 years I follow local DC politics etc closely. I have heard many programs over the last 2 decades on lead everywhere in DC and how hard they are working to remove it.

Not asking for links to prove your assertion, just to actually help prove it.

"You must have ate paint chips as a kid" became a saying for a reason after all.

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Response to obxhead (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:12 PM

10. Here is a good summary...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/07/AR2007070701073.html

At first I searched through the book Freakonomics, because that's where I thought I had read this. But Freakonomics focuses on legalized abortion, and this researcher disputes that explanation:

"It is startling how much mileage has been given to the theory that abortion in the early 1970s was responsible for the decline in crime" in the 1990s, Nevin said. "But they legalized abortion in Britain, and the violent crime in Britain soared in the 1990s. The difference is our gasoline lead levels peaked in the early '70s and started falling in the late '70s, and fell very sharply through the early 1980s and was virtually eliminated by 1986 or '87.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:37 AM

16. wow-- very interesting!

 

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:14 PM

12. My bet is on porn and video games. n/t

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:15 PM

13. Not at all unlikely. n/t

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:45 PM

5. From the less informed....

They also legalized gun ownership...... I think.

Correlation? I really doubt it, but I'm betting the gun nuts come out soon.

My bet is the real cause is we're all fucking broke, so it's easier to work a few hours at McD's then kill someone for whatever is in their wallet.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:03 PM

9. Thanks for posting good news - the reduction in murders in DC

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:13 PM

11. Violent crime is on a serious downturn, everywhere



Perhaps most convincingly in US cities, as the data has been tracked pretty reliably for a long time. But worldwide all kinds of violence is declining as well - an overall "civilizing" effect.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:18 PM

14. But - but - but - all crime everywhere has done nothing but increase!

At least that's what everyone who doesn't actually look at the statistics keeps telling me...

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:32 AM

15. That's great. Why do you think that is?

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