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Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:28 AM

CNN, if you're listening,

I don't remember the year I put an end to Thanksgiving celebrations with the relatives, but I'm guessing it was about the same time I went back to school. I was one of those stay at home moms who was looking for a second chance to return to the workforce, but I knew it wasn't going to be easy because I had health problems.

When finals came around that first semester in Fall, I had finals to prepare for and everyone understood when I said I wanted to stay home to study instead of going down to the in-laws for Thanksgiving. I wasn't surprised when the relatives were fine with my absence. I was also glad that I had found a built-in excuse for the next year or two, as I acquired credits for my second B.A. That would put my time that I began to drift away from THAT side of the family, around the same time that Bush became president. You, CNN, were notably absent from reporting that Bush was breaking up Thanksgiving dinners way back then, because I know I wasn't the only one.

I don't know when I started reclaiming Thanksgiving so the rest of my family (husband and kids) stayed home too. Maybe it was after that crazy hurricane season in 2004. We had friends who were going to skip the holidays because they were hit bad, so we invited them over. Since then, we have had our own holidays, here at my home. We have had a wonderful time, inviting two families over every Thanksgiving, until this last election.

A month before this last election one of the people we invited called out of the blue and began spouting right-wing crap. They said things, like Obama was a Muslim. They said that Obama was changing the flag of the United States on Air Force One. They were spouting right-wing lies. I asked them to put our friendship first, but, they felt so entitled to badger me with right-wing propaganda that I finally told them that it was best we didn't see each other until after the election.

This Thanksgiving, they made their excuses from coming to dinner. But my other friends came. They're Democratic--mostly. It was one of the best Thanksgivings yet. We didn't speak politics until my friend's son, who registered Republican a few years ago, began spouting off the Libertarian meme,(which around here translates to exploiting what isn't nailed down and protected with shotguns). Because it was just him, we weren't tense and it turned out to be a great conversation. He looked for areas of agreement and brought up the Detroit bailout. I said, well, atleast jobs were kept in America. And when Iaccoca was given that blessing, he paid the loan back. It was still too early to see if Detroit would do the same.

By the time dinner was over, the son said, "I don't even know why I registered Republican."

So, you see CNN, this political strife didn't begin with Obama. It began with Bush. And I'm happy to say, that when two Republicans friends chose to stay away from Thanksgiving dinner this year, it gave us a chance to reclaim our wayward son.

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Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 OP
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #1
SheilaT Nov 2012 #2
agracie Nov 2012 #3
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #4
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #5
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #7
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #8
99Forever Nov 2012 #6
Dirty Socialist Nov 2012 #9

Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:43 AM

1. The conversations about King George and the resultant turmoil among friends and families...

....were very similar to the heated conversations held by families and friends during the Vietnam War. Lost a lot of people I thought were my friends during both time periods because they turned out to be far more to the right of center than I originally believed.

Give up on CNN....they've turned to the Darkside and I don't think they'll be turning back.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:52 AM

2. You are absolutely right.

Ever since I've been on DU, which is sometime in 2002, members here have reported every Thanksgiving about the trials of dealing with Republican and right-wing family members.

I'm very lucky in that I've never been subject to large extended family gatherings mainly because we didn't live near very many family members. And I don't recall politics ever coming up when we did get together with any family. I am inclined to think that the old rule about not discussing politics and religion is a very good one.

I also don't understand why anyone would ever put up with those kinds of gatherings. Yes, I understand that it can be your own parents, or the spouse's parents, or that the entire 87 member extended family has been gathering at Aunt Tillie's since 1962 when she took it over after Great-Aunt Gertrude died, but to me that's not a good reason to attend if you know that you'll have to deal with crap.

For one thing, I think that focussing on our own immediate family is where we should start. Or our nearest friends, if we have no immediate family nearby. Then enlarge the circle only as it works out in terms of numbers and compatibility.

Holidays need to be a time of joy and gathering with those we love most, whether they are related by blood or marriage or not at all.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:08 PM

3. It only makes sense...

to spend the holidays the way you WANT to spend them. That way you don't dread the day, the conversations and all the stress that is involved. Take control and you really have something to be thankful for. i spent the day outdoors, had a small but tasty meal with my hubby, read a good book, and called it a day. No drama, no bickering, no exhausting prep and clean-up. We have very similar plans for C-mas.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:19 PM

4. Very nice story re: the wayward son.

My son voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012, but is also a registered Republican. About 2 years ago I sent him an online quiz I had found that identified political leanings. He tested as a Libertarian. He was in law school at the time but now he is an associate attorney in a law firm of 3 partners, 1 Republican and 2 Libertarians. Because he is an Obama supporter he is called the office Liberal. The partners and my son eat lunch together almost every day and the topic is always politics. About 2 months ago he said to me, "I am am much more of a Liberal than I realized" I think many young people fall for the Libertarian rhetoric because they are never shown the real consequences of that particular ideology. If given the opportunity to see just what other Libertarians think and believe or what REAL Liberals think and believe, many will change their minds.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:54 AM

5. There is no humanity in a real Libertarian. Which is why, around here, they get along best with

Republicans. But, they probably view teapartiers as useful idiots.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:38 AM

7. Exactly...

Or I might say, the only humanity they recognize is their own.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:42 AM

8. When they get indignant about someone encroaching on their rights it can get

downright comical, because they are so beyond reasonable. I say comical, but I mean frightening, because many of these people are lawyers who are giving advice to local politicians.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:20 AM

6. "... this political strife didn't begin with Obama. It began with Bush."?

Well, that's one opinion.

But then I was around to see Nixon get caught for his criminal acts and ran out of office, and Ronnie Raygun start this Nation down the path to 3rd World status...

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:08 AM

9. Poitical Strife Began with RUSH LIMBAUGH

in the early 90s.

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