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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:31 PM

Is anyone who's complained about Black Friday sales currently watching the NFL game?

Why is a commercial entertainment group that requires employees to work on Thanksgiving any more appropriate?

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Reply Is anyone who's complained about Black Friday sales currently watching the NFL game? (Original post)
brooklynite Nov 2012 OP
former-republican Nov 2012 #1
brooklynite Nov 2012 #3
former-republican Nov 2012 #5
brooklynite Nov 2012 #7
rzemanfl Nov 2012 #2
brooklynite Nov 2012 #4
rzemanfl Nov 2012 #6
JI7 Nov 2012 #8
former-republican Nov 2012 #10
Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #16
itsrobert Nov 2012 #9
brewens Nov 2012 #11
MFM008 Nov 2012 #12
LTR Nov 2012 #13
beac Nov 2012 #15
brooklynite Nov 2012 #17
Brickbat Nov 2012 #18
gollygee Nov 2012 #20
beac Nov 2012 #21
KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #24
Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #14
Zorra Nov 2012 #19
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #22
LeftyMom Nov 2012 #23
Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #25
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #26
Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #27
JVS Nov 2012 #28
davidn3600 Nov 2012 #29
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #31
Raine Nov 2012 #30
quakerboy Nov 2012 #32
Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #33

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:33 PM

1. I think you are getting it wrong

 

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Response to former-republican (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:34 PM

3. Please explain it to me...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:36 PM

5. From what I understand the remarks our DU brothers and sisters made had more to do

 

with the treatment of the employees.

Not so much having to work .
Many people work on holidays

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Response to former-republican (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:38 PM

7. Please see my #4...

How many stadium employees got well-paid for a Holiday day's employment?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:33 PM

2. No one in the NFL is on food stamps. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:35 PM

4. You know that to be the case?

The ticket takers, security guards, ushers, parking lot attendants, concession stand operators are all financially secure?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:36 PM

6. I stand corrected. I was thinking about the players.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:38 PM

8. don't know about them, but we do know walmart workers are treated like crap

throughout the year.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:47 PM

10. found this

 

http://www.yourpirate.com/articles/sports/218-nfl-owners-locking-out-greedy-concession-workers-who-demanded-reinstatement-of-annual-holiday-party.html

I guess according to the article they are also treated badly but maybe the difference. According to the article is they mostly work one day a week during the season.

Kind of like carnival workers .

It's not their main income.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:02 PM

16. That is not an article.

 

It's a blog, and looks more like a spoof.



My brother worked at invesco field wearing the "yellow jacket". He said most of them did for fun, not as a job

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:41 PM

9. And what about the tech control keeping your internet connection up

How can you sleep at night while forcing people to work on Thanksgiving so you can post on the Internet?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:48 PM

11. My only criticism is of people going mob shopping tonight. That we can do

without

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:52 PM

12. no choice....

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:58 PM

13. And the streets don't clean themselves after the Macy's parade!

I see your point. Actually, I was thinking about this earlier. NFL and NCAA are playing games today, should they be picketed? Should I protest Walgreens because they're open? What about the corner gas station?

I think most of the people complaining about Walmart employees working on the holiday are ones that don't work there. I've worked major holidays before at stupid jobs. Shit happens, we deal with it.

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Response to LTR (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:08 PM

15. The boycott is NOT about working a holiday (it does happen to fall right AFTER a holiday b/c that is

when it can potentially have the greatest impact... i.e. it's a HUGE shopping day.) The boycott is about the deplorable wages and poor working conditions at Walmart.

The company brags about its low prices. But many shoppers probably don't think much about how Wal-Mart makes this slogan a reality, which may start happening given the publicity the strike is getting. The average Wal-Mart associate earns about $8.81 an hour, or a yearly wage of about $15,500, meaning that hundreds of thousands of the company's workers live below the poverty line, according to unions.

*snip*

States worried about the growing costs of Medicaid have pressued Wal-Mart for years to improve worker benefits. In response, the company offered some benefits to those working less than 24 hours per week, only to reverse course last year and decree that new part-time employees would no longer get benefits and that people working 24 hours to 33 hours a week can no longer include their spouses in their coverage, though children are allowed.

Data from unions indicates that Wal-Mart employees are the largest recipients of government assistance among those that are employed in a huge number of states. That means that taxpayers are on the hook for these benefits to the tune of more than $1 billion.


http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=71bd23f8-29f0-434f-9592-705aa2f04fb2

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Response to beac (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:29 PM

17. ...and I repeat my question...

Are you confident that every other activity, service or store you utilize meets your exacting standards for employee support?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:27 PM

18. It's not hard to research it, really.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:00 PM

20. Is it your opinion

that if you can't change/boycott/send a message everywhere about everything, you should do nothing? This is the biggest employer in the US, isn't it? I can't imagine a bigger way to send the message that low-wage workers should be treated and paid better than by boycotting the largest employer of low-wage workers in the US on their biggest day.

Though I never shop on Black Friday regardless.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:15 PM

21. 100% confident? No. But I do try to match my spending to my principles and have given up

many stores and products that I liked as a result. As another said above, we must do as much as we can even if we can't do everything.

Also, I did not reply to your OP, but to another poster who was confused about the reason for the Walmart boycott, so I am not exactly sure why you felt the need to "repeat" a question I hadn't responded to. But, since you asked me directly, I hoped I have now answered your question.

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Response to LTR (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:29 PM

24. My Bets...

...are those doing the sweeping are union employees who are getting holiday pay. Also those players on the field in the NFL are also union...and make more in a quarter than the average Wally World "associate" makes in a year. The other folks there...ticket takers, food vendors et al, as noted in other threads, are seasonal workers who can make a nice buck on tips and extra pay on top of their normal jobs.

I worked in a field that operates 24/7...and worked many a Thanksgiving, Christmas and other holidays. It's "showbiz"...and part of "paying dues" was working those holidays and hopefully moving up the ladder to a position where you could pick and choose the holidays you worked.

Also...should be mentioned, there are many people who either like working or have little or no family to spend time with and would rather work than spend the day at home being depressed.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:05 PM

14. I worked today.

 

And I think Black Friday and Walmart can suck eggs.

I worked today because I am in the middle of my shift and will not be home until the 1st of December. But guess what, my employer is compensating me very well for working today.

Can you say that about Walmart.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:50 PM

19. Great point! WE NEED STRONG UNIONS EVERYWHERE!!!

Solidarity!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:21 PM

22. Who's protesting the labor conditions in China?`

Or in Bangladesh?

I guess those make working at Walmart a fantastic opportunity.

All those people should shut up and be grateful for whatever conditions and pittance they get.

So says a Democrat. Roll over, FDR!

And thanks for your incredibly well-informed take on what the Walmart actions tomorrow are about.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:26 PM

23. Says somebody who's never going to have to work a shit job on a holiday.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 01:59 AM

25. All the teams that played today will have extra days off in between games

in order to compensate. None of those teams will play again until next weekend, unlike the other 26 teams that play this Sunday and Monday.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:04 AM

26. No. I hate sports... and this week's campaign is about retail working conditions...

 

Last I heard, there hasn't been a campaign by these employees for better working conditions.

Also: None of this is about working on Thanksgiving.

Contrary people, ugh.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:30 AM

27. Nope. Don't support either.

HOWEVER, I think there is something you haven't considered.

The employees who are working in support of the NFL game, they aren't going on strike in order for us to support them.

Wal-Mart employees have really had enough and are mobilized and public support validates their own effort to stand up and speak truth to power.

It's good that you caused us to consider other groups that may need our support as well - whenever they DO decide that they want to strike for better wages etc...

Consider also. When Wal-Mart makes changes then it does affect others in the community. If THEY give their employees better wages and benefits, other companies have to match that to keep employees as well. So even your group working on Thanksgiving for the NFL game might get a little bump somewhere down the road. "Boss, I need a raise, or I'm going to have to leave this gig and go get a job at Wal-Mart. I don't want to, but I have to feed my family, help me out here."

Sounds crazy, but collective bargaining raises the bar across the board. Even non-union shops try to offer better wages to prove that their employees don't "need" the unions to get better treatment.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:32 AM

28. Their work schedule is part of their union-negotiated contract

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:43 AM

29. A lot of people work on holidays. That's nothing new.

Emergency services of course have to be operating. Hospitals are staffed. Hotels have to be staffed. Some restaurants are open. Many McDonalds are open. 24-hour pharmacies are open. Most gas stations are open.

Disney World and every other theme park is open, airports, cruise ships, taxis, etc, etc... the list goes on forever.

The days when people had holidays off are long gone....unless you work at a bank or the post office.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 04:18 AM

31. yep, suck it up, slaves!

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 04:16 AM

30. No, I believe Thanksgiving should be family time not for shopping or glued to the TV. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 06:05 AM

32. What would be your point?

I am not, actually. But I know full well that there are items I have used or owned that do not match up with the moral stances that I hold.

I can look at my desk and see multiple things that I am fairly certain were constructed with slave labor.

Does that excuse me to go spit on a service worker or trample a clerk in my local big box store? Or even just to go buy another slave labor construction, particularly if there is another similar choice that was made in a less horrific fashion available?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:13 AM

33. It is not about the requirement to work on a holiday, it is about fair treament and

equitable compensation. But you know that. Would you continue even half a day without the compensation you feel you deserve?

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