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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:01 PM

This Christmas buy nothing for anybody

all business is made up of a bunch of greedy fucking pigs!!!

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Reply This Christmas buy nothing for anybody (Original post)
gopiscrap Nov 2012 OP
RB TexLa Nov 2012 #1
PoliticalBiker Nov 2012 #39
No Vested Interest Nov 2012 #2
Fridays Child Nov 2012 #3
Journeyman Nov 2012 #4
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #7
Earth_First Nov 2012 #9
ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #10
Journeyman Nov 2012 #16
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #19
Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #27
GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #91
ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2012 #18
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #20
ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2012 #23
Lex Nov 2012 #40
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UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #42
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #67
LAGC Nov 2012 #72
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #75
LAGC Nov 2012 #86
aletier_v Nov 2012 #32
kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #52
GitRDun Nov 2012 #95
RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #98
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #117
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #112
We are Devo Nov 2012 #5
Earth_First Nov 2012 #6
Ruby the Liberal Nov 2012 #8
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #15
Control-Z Nov 2012 #34
OneMoreDemocrat Nov 2012 #41
DEMTough Nov 2012 #58
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #113
SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #83
jeff47 Nov 2012 #89
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #93
jeff47 Nov 2012 #94
ronnie624 Nov 2012 #115
johnp3907 Nov 2012 #11
jehop61 Nov 2012 #12
brewens Nov 2012 #13
Illinoischick Nov 2012 #14
NoOneMan Nov 2012 #17
Journeyman Nov 2012 #38
savebigbird Nov 2012 #21
ileus Nov 2012 #26
savebigbird Nov 2012 #36
MrSlayer Nov 2012 #22
ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2012 #24
ileus Nov 2012 #25
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #28
fleur-de-lisa Nov 2012 #37
cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #29
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #30
Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #31
fleur-de-lisa Nov 2012 #33
ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #35
UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #43
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #70
GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #92
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #44
War Horse Nov 2012 #45
FarCenter Nov 2012 #48
JI7 Nov 2012 #56
Maraya1969 Nov 2012 #46
southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #47
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #51
southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #79
zappaman Nov 2012 #49
drmeow Nov 2012 #50
JonathanBrowne Nov 2012 #53
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #71
SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #85
JI7 Nov 2012 #54
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jackbenimble Nov 2012 #82
SoapBox Nov 2012 #57
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gollygee Nov 2012 #60
Ken Burch Nov 2012 #61
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Raine Nov 2012 #62
Ken Burch Nov 2012 #63
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #73
JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #81
KurtNYC Nov 2012 #104
alphafemale Nov 2012 #121
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #64
Danmel Nov 2012 #65
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #74
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #66
flying_wahini Nov 2012 #68
Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #69
JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #76
gopiscrap Nov 2012 #77
JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #84
onenote Nov 2012 #102
BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #78
MineralMan Nov 2012 #80
northoftheborder Nov 2012 #88
jeff47 Nov 2012 #90
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #96
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #97
MNBrewer Nov 2012 #99
msanthrope Nov 2012 #100
redwitch Nov 2012 #101
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #103
PATXgirl Nov 2012 #105
Enrique Nov 2012 #106
nessa Nov 2012 #114
Son of Gob Nov 2012 #119
no_hypocrisy Nov 2012 #107
LP2K12 Nov 2012 #108
JoePhilly Nov 2012 #109
99Forever Nov 2012 #110
quaker bill Nov 2012 #111
aletier_v Nov 2012 #116
TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #118
name not needed Nov 2012 #120
alphafemale Nov 2012 #122
Throd Nov 2012 #123

Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:08 PM

1. Pretty easy to do when you don't have anyone to buy anything for


No problem

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:45 PM

39. Or in my case...

people to buy for, but no money to buy anything with...

No Problem

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:08 PM

2. Have a nice day.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:08 PM

3. That's pretty much the plan over here at our house. eom

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:10 PM

4. Thanks. Thanks a lot. My employees send greetings as well . . .

And please, do tell us where you're employed, so we can all avoid at least that business, and you can start the new year off where you wish all the other employees of this country consigned to: the unemployment line.

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:12 PM

7. I work for a non profit social service

the only noble jobs to me are those with 501's the government, education and the church...these are the only fields in which folks don't go in with a greedy mind..private for profit business' whole m.o is to part yopu with as much of your money possible in any legal (and sometimes illegal) method possible!

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:14 PM

9. Get.Over.Yourself.

WOW.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:17 PM

10. Well, noble doesn't pay the bills.

And if you don't think there are greedy, ladder climbing assholes in non-profit organizations, education institutions and churches you aren't paying attention.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:21 PM

16. Well, you got half your name right. . .

And do tell, what non profit social service is so desperate as to hire a schmuck such as yourself?

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:26 PM

19. I actually work very hard for them

and have tons of very pleased and grateful clients...I never let my political views surface at work

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:35 PM

27. Silly thing to boast about when your job is tax-funded.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:08 PM

91. Tons of clients ...

sounds like GOP crap.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:24 PM

18. and just where, pray tell, does your non-profit

get its funding???

sP

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:27 PM

20. the State

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:28 PM

23. and where does THAT money come from?

i bet it is from people with jobs who spend their income so that other people have jobs and so on and so forth.

sP

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:45 PM

40. BINGO.

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:01 PM

42. .

 

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:10 PM

67. You realize the money the state gets is from taxes people pay with money they get from jobs right?

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #67)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:49 PM

72. That's not exactly true.

The way our current economic system is set up now, it makes it appear as if the private-sector "pays for" public-sector works.

But really its the workers who create any economy's wealth, regardless of whether they are employed in the private or public sectors.

We could do away with the private-sector and still grow our economy and create wealth, by the government employing workers to produce things. I'm not saying a 100% socialist system is the way to go, just that the example destroys the illusion that the private-sector is really paying for anything.

So much of the public-sector's work under our current economic system is building a safe infrastructure for the private-sector to flourish, its foolish to say that the public-sector is dependent on the private-sector to function. If anything, the opposite is true.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #72)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:56 PM

75. I'm not talking about how we would like things to be

I am talking about the way things are right now and the poster's over the top comments.

Even the farmer that I buy veggies from is a business. Not all business is bad. Unregulated business is the problem.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #75)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:39 PM

86. I don't disagree with you.

I just wish Democrats would stop using Republican talking points when it comes to how the public-sector pays for itself.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:36 PM

32. " the only noble jobs to me are those with 501's the government"

Sometimes I wear 501s and I do government stuff, does that count?

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:33 PM

52. What are you, 10 years old??

I am a medical professional. My small business employs a few people, and what little profits i take home go to put food on my table and a roof over my head.

I guess I'm evil to you.

Unless, of course, you are just a RW troll dicking with us.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:54 AM

95. Talk about painting with a broad brush...

I risked my family's security to start my business and make something happen. You need help!

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:40 AM

98. Thanks for your work.

I work for a government agency myself for the past 23 years, and haven't worked for a for profit company, since I worked for Fotomat, back in 1976!
I refuse to work for any place where their main aim is to steal. Yes, steal. They steal from their customers by overcharging them, and they steal from their workers by underpaying them.
I have worked at co-ops, and other non-profits, and will NEVER work for a for profit company. I have turned down offers from large for profits in the past, and will continue to do so.
Capitalism is killing the planet. There has to be a better way.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #98)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:03 PM

117. Thank you I fully agree!

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:25 AM

112. The computer you're typing this from....was it built by a non profit?

 

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:10 PM

5. Same here. No shopping n/t

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:11 PM

6. So profound. So revolutionary.

Such bullshit.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:14 PM

8. Christmas is about the kiddos.

Don't deprive them over politics.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:20 PM

15. To me that's a good teaching tool to make them

realize that the Republicans and CEO's are out to fuck them over...just tell them that it is because of greedy businesses and the Republican party ALL OF LIFE IS ABOUT POLITICS every political decision from dogcather to president wil effect your life and kids need to learn to about that asap...

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:42 PM

34. I believe you need

an island somewhere, all to yourself.

How do you expect society to grow and thrive? I believe in some socialism but...wow, I really don't know what to say to you.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:53 PM

41. Jeez, you sound like a freshman in their first PolySci class...

 

Save this thread and read it in 15 years and see if it makes you cringe or not.

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Response to OneMoreDemocrat (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:52 PM

58. I'm a college freshman PolySci major

And even this post disgusts me! I love Christmas time.

I work in retail. By not getting anything for Christmas, you're hurting the workers who can get a bonus in their paychecks based on how well their store does.

Skip shopping at Wal-Mart though.

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Response to OneMoreDemocrat (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:27 AM

113. No kidding

 

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:23 PM

83. What a crock...

Yeah let me teach a 6 year old that the "Republicans are about to screw them over". I'm sure it will be a memorable moment when they wake up on Christmas morning and there is a note under the tree saying "You got nothing because Republicans and CEO's screwed you over"...

I bet your house is a bundle of laughs. It must be on quite a high mountain for you to be able to look down on so many.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:56 PM

89. So your plan is to screw over a child in the hope they'll hate other people?

You are a very sad and small person.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #89)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:21 PM

93. If it means turning a generation of children away from the

Republican Party YES!!!

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #93)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:31 PM

94. Nah, your argument is great for creating Republicans.

-No one will ever give you anything
-You have to rely on yourself for anything you want.
-You shouldn't give anything to anyone.
-And most importantly, hate is a family value.

Sounds just like Republican dogma.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:39 AM

115. Christmas, as it is currently 'celebrated',

is more about generating corporate profits and perpetuating a consumerist system, even when we know in the long run it is unsustainable.

Look at the news articles about "Black Friday" to see what children really get from Christmas; very poor lessons for dealing with the probable hardships that will manifest in the coming years.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:17 PM

11. Meanwhile...

...back on planet Earth.....

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:17 PM

12. Chill out

Mr. Scrooge

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:17 PM

13. My business isn't. It's just a job for my girlfriend who spends way too much on the grand kids!

I love her for that though. I hope she does well tomorrow and this weekend.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:19 PM

14. Why disappoint my grandchildren??

My daughter does not have much money and I help her when I can, but why make the kids feel worse?

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:22 PM

17. But what about the children?

 

They need their cheap, plastic hundreth toy, instead of a clean environment to raise their own children in.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:45 PM

38. Why do you buy cheap, plastic toys for your children? . . .

When there are books and clothes and food and shoes and music and diaries and bicycles and balls and wagons and board games and . . . ?

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:28 PM

21. If you want to buy your kids toys,

get them something classic, that will last for years and that they'll want to play with longer than a few months. Get them something they can learn from. Buy things second-hand when possible. Don't assume because something isn't Justin Beiber/Taylor Swift/Star Wars/Transformers/Pokemon related they won't like it. Heck, if you're feeling brave, get them some used children's books. You'd be surprised at how much they'll like them.

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Response to savebigbird (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:34 PM

26. I bought my son a solar project jr engineers

package yesterday, one solar cell and several components for 6 different projects.

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Response to ileus (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:43 PM

36. That's the way it's done! n/t

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:28 PM

22. I'm giving out pork for Xmas.

 

Ham hocks, pigs feet and sausage. Fuck your idea.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:29 PM

24. indeed... well said. n/t

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:33 PM

25. too late...wish I'd found this thread a few months ago.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:35 PM

28. While this statement is a little hyperbolic, I sympathize with this.

The holidays revolve too much around buying stuff and consuming stuff, and most of it just serves to further enrich those who are already rich.

But giving gifts is still nice. Let's support small businesses whenever possible.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:44 PM

37. Great idea about supporting small business! - n/t

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:35 PM

29. Wow... that would add at least 1% to unemployment. Maybe more.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:36 PM

30. I will buy tools and give them to charity to give to kids. I don't give a fuck who makes

money off my purchases.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:36 PM

31. Can't decide... Is this just stirring shit or is this some sort of facetious


call out of the Walmart threads?

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:41 PM

33. I kind of agree, but I still buy gifts for families in need . . .

Wow . . . so many people willing to pounce on this post! I kind of agree with the poster, but I still plan to make purchases for charities.

My family and I decided about 10 years ago to stop exchanging holiday gifts for the most part. There are no young children in my family and it was getting difficult to handle the gift exchange. Most people in my family have everything they need and at the time we were all geographically distant. Shopping for people who have everything is not much fun and shipping packages, or carrying them with you on a plane, is a nightmare.

So we decided to donate more than ever to charities and exchange lengthy phone calls with absent family members on Christmas day. Of course, we all still give gifts to our adult children.

In particular I love to buy gifts for families in need. I give money to charities too, but shopping for disadvantaged families with children is pure joy. For me this is the spirit of the holidays and it feels so good to help people who really need it. I still refuse to shop on black Friday, and the entire weekend after it. But I have no problem at all standing in line to buy toys, clothing, etc for families in need, but I won't do it on black Friday.

I challenge each of you . . . make an effort to participate in a charity that helps the needy during the holiday season and it will bring back the joy of Christmas! Look up your local shelters for battered women. Most have programs that will provide lists of items needed by these women, some of whom have their children with them at the shelter. A lot of these programs are not only providing shelter for abused women, but also help them to find jobs and housing. They always need clothing and household items. And who could resist buying toys for kids in this situation?

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:43 PM

35. I am cool with that as long as

other people still buy me stuff.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:02 PM

43. Have you included not buying yourself liquor

 

in your pledge?

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:43 PM

70. I don't drink or smoke

not for moral reason's either. I sing professionally as a side job for many different denominations (really good money 100.00-250.00) per gig and that sort of stuff ruins your throat!

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #70)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:13 PM

92. Snort. Whatever. Karl.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:06 PM

44. I hope you realize that the economy depends on consumption

Since you work fer the evil guv'ment you should know that includes paying the rent and your bills.

Good luck with that crappy attitude by the way.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:10 PM

45. Nah... How about we give people what they actually need instead?

How about getting a bunch of folks to chip in for somebody's January mortgage?

I've already bought my niece a nice set of dictionaries - I know she'll appreciate it, and her mom even more so (so she doesn't have to spend the money herself).

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Response to War Horse (Reply #45)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:22 PM

48. This is the best approach -- give what is needed and what is of enduring value for the recipient

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Response to War Horse (Reply #45)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:49 PM

56. i agree about needs, although for younger kids i think they should get at least one fun thing

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:11 PM

46. But for Toys for Tots at least! Or some charity. That's what I do.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:19 PM

47. You know when I was a child we were lucky to get one gift a piece. We had a tree and a loving

 

family. My parents made sure we had the best christmas dinner on the table. We never went without. One year they got us 2 sleds for 4 kids at the time. We had to share them. We had each other and we played games. Back then we didn't have a tv. I tell my grandkids they are so lucky. They get way to much junk.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:32 PM

51. Funny, I have told that to my nephews as well

they get way too much junk.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:11 PM

79. They sure do. Christmas day they open their gifts and about one hr later they are

 

playing with the empty boxes more. I think if my granddaughter asks for more dolls I'll scream. She got 3 or 4 last year. Not to long ago she begged me for these twin dolls and I got them for her. This christmas she asked for Barbie dolls and cloths for her dolls. Her birthday is christmas day also so that is another gift. I told her my new name is "Please Give Me Yaya". And my husband's new name is "Buy me Pappa". Well this year I cut down on gifts. She is going to be 7 and she understands there is no santa.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:22 PM

49. I will support my local businesses, but will buy YOU nothing.

No problem.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:29 PM

50. This Christmas

I'm giving hand made pottery to family members along with Belgian chocolate I bought while in Brussels. And they are being shipped via USPS not UPS or Fed Ex. But I will buy gifts for the nieces and nephews - at 5, 6, 7, 8 and 10 they wouldn't understand/appreciate the political statement.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:36 PM

53. DEMOCRAT SCROOGE

LOL!

Yeah, give ammo to republicans for thinking democrats are anti business.

Great idea.

If that was true, i'd certainly rather be a republican.

Thank god democrats like Barack aren't practicing your form of misery. The only difference between your attitude and that of the exploitive and antisocial businesses out there, is that you practice a far less effective version of it.

Your philosophy is like ayn rands, only worse.

At least only caring about yourself is somewhat good for society, despite the host of negatives that come with not also caring about others.

Your philosophy is the worst kind of evil. The kind that is practiced "for the greater good".

"Let's all stop purchasing products because if one company is bad than all companies are bad!"

I assume you live in a house you built yourself, eat only food you grew yourself, don't have a cellphone, don't have a computer or the internet, dont drive a car, etc.


Otherwise, your philosophy only seems to apply as an excuse to not do generous things for your friends and family.


How about, VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS STUPID!


Try supporting the millions of businesses that are pouring their heart and souls into products that are socially responsible, and provide lots value to others.

Or, we could live in a society where everyone knows how to do everything and everything is mediocre because no one is willing to exchange their own passionate and skilled value creation for the value creation of others.


God, partisan politics at this level just make me sick.

The one thing that conservatives are right about is that we should certainly be deeply concerned about creating a good environment for business.

What they have wrong is the idea that we shouldn't use laws to restrict businesses from exploitation and provide incentives for SOCIAL capitalism.


I shudder to think of what it would be like to live in the world you'd create if you had the power to.

A world where there is no reward for having vision, creativity, and great skill/talent and providing others with things they need and want in life.

Well, at least you've proved that it's possible to have a democrat scrooge.

Perhaps you can at least serve as a warning to other democrats that the key is balance, and it is certainly possible to become too extreme a liberal.

It's very easy to get unbalanced when you live in a purely partisan point of view.


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Response to JonathanBrowne (Reply #53)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:48 PM

71. Bullshit

If I didn't care abouyt anyone I wouldn't be working in the social work field now would I? also as far as passion and talent like I said in an earlier thread my side job is to sing and plan liturgy for major ecumenical events...I get paid god money for that depending on if I am singing and the event it is 100.00-250.00 per hour. and see that is not working for or giving money to a capitalistic business.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #71)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:31 PM

85. So how exactly is it you are on the internet?

Since you support no "capitalistic" businesses what computer are you using? Who built it? Who built the Arpanet that became your internet? ? How are you connecting?
What kind of car do you drive? What appliances do you cook with? Who made your clothes?

And BTW Religion is the biggest fucking capitalist scam out there, designed specifically to control people and steal their money. So to sit there and claim that you are somehow better than others because you don't give money to "capitalistic businesses" is the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever seen.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:41 PM

54. Some people depend on Christmas for things they need throughout the year

things like clothes they could wear. even expensive things like some kitchen appliance, television etc are put off until christmas .

kids from not so well off families or who aren't spoiled usually get their things during this time.

these people don't spend at other times of the year.

with some of my family and others i am close to we now usually tell each other things we want. it's usually stuff we need or will buy anyways . but we give it as christmas gifts. i think it's better this way than to waste time and money on something nobody will really use and will just be stashed away somewhere.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #54)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:49 PM

55. I am to the point we give people money

or store cards... for that reason.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #54)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:18 PM

82. Christmas and birthdays

used to be the only time I got new cloths or a little extra cash. And this was while I was an adult. I loved that people would give me what I needed as gifts, because I couldn't afford them otherwise.

I'm thankful today that I am a little better off now and I can give gifts as well.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:50 PM

57. I would be fine with that!

Our family, needs absolutely nothing.

Every closet...every drawer...every nook and cranny...is jammed. In our house...my sister's house...my niece's home...my nephew, well, he could probably use some "stuff"...is full, full, full. I say it over and over and over...don't get me anything (and my birthday is semi-near Christmas)...if there is something that I really, REALLY need (not just want), I'll let you know.

So no one listens...I get "stuff"...and gift cards like crazy (at least some have listened when I said, if you're getting me "stuff", make it a GC for the grocery store!).

I would much rather, take my monies and donate or make purchases of items that people that do NOT have closets/drawers/sheds/garages that are jammed with "stuff". I do donate some but not as much as I could...if I weren't giving gift "stuff" to family.

One of these days....

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:52 PM

59. Wish I could

but when you have kids who still believe in Santa that makes you nothing but a Scrooge. Luckily for me my son's entire wish list could be purchased for under $30, which is actually really odd. Can't believe the new Wii isn't on his list.

The adults in the family have agreed to no gifts though.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:56 PM

60. I'll be getting stuff for my kids but I'll shop at small local stores

But my kids will find something under the tree.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:57 PM

61. Can we shoplift?

n/t.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #61)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:43 PM

87. *giggles*

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:58 PM

62. Not all businesses are made up of "greedy fucking pigs". You could be smart and

shop at small businesses or craft shows etc. but then you couldn't be a Scrooge.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:00 PM

63. uh...ALL business?

Even local shops selling locally made stuff who treat their employees right?

Even Fair Trade businesses?

Even Co-ops?

Look, I'm a socialist, too...but that seems a teensy-bit sweeping, yo.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #63)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:50 PM

73. Every business out there (even the small local ones)

are there to part you from your money!

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #73)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:14 PM

81. Technically, you're right.

But overall, I see businesses as a way to supply me with products I need (or want) for a fair price. If it isn't a good value, I have the option of passing or shopping around. This is the good part of free market enterprise.

However...

Utility companies, including the internet you're using right now and the smart phone on your desk, are greedy fucking pigs designed to part you from your money via a lifetime subscription, but I see you continue to donate in spite of your alleged disdain for feeding swine.

Maybe you just don't like spending money on things that bring others joy.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #73)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:00 AM

104. Thrift stores ?! Soup kitchens, free pantries, ...EVERY business ??

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #73)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:02 PM

121. ...aannnnddd?

So the fuck what?

What's money except some linen infused paper with numbers on it? Or a number on a bank account.

If I can exchange those worthless things for things that will make me happy or better that is a wonderful concept.

Amazing that you are a human air fern that doesn't have to buy things.

And you can SCOLD! WOW!

How awesome are you?

A brilliant, superior human such as yourself must have tons of friends and useless clingers-on.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:07 PM

64. Yeah..umm..no

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:07 PM

65. That's not true

You can support local merchants- they are your neighbors and they do have to eat. If you want the economy to completely collapse and have a repeat of the 2010 midterms and maybe a repug elected in 2016, that would be a good way to do it.

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Response to Danmel (Reply #65)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:51 PM

74. Or a great depression

and then maybe we would get back to an FDR governmental form of sanity and even that wasn't perfect, business still got coddled.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:09 PM

66. So you hunt, gather and grow all your own food?

How are you on the internet? Are you typing on a keyboard fashioned from twigs and stones?

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:27 PM

68. Jees, I think you are all being a bit too harsh on the original poster! GAWD!


Perhaps things aren't going his way right now. I remember being disgusted with
the time, trouble and expense of Christmas when I had very little myself.

And seeing all the retailers with their Christmas ads and crap up since
Halloween, too leads me to believe that maybe some retailers

Are Greedy, Fucking Pigs.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:33 PM

69. Although it looks like you have run away, I have something to say.

"All" business is not a bunch of greedy fucking pigs. There are so many small businesses, and many run by good Democrats, that are just making a living like the rest of us. They are not greedy. They work hard. And they should be able to make a living and take care of their families.

Maybe it would be better to suggest that everyone buy from small, local stores. And better yet, small, local stores whose owners do something to help the community when they can.

But proposing that people should not buy anything is just harmful to all of society.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:59 PM

76. No.

True that many retailers are greedy fucking pigs, but most are not.
Neither am I, thank you very much.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #76)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:06 PM

77. I haven't met a private business yet that doesn't

try to get you to part with more of your money than their product is worth. BTW for of you who think I am a scrooge...I wound up donating over 18K to Democratic candidates and liberal initiatives these past two years in addition to about 15K to charity...more than a lot of you who accuse me of bein g scrooge can say!!!

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #77)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:25 PM

84. I don't blame you for not giving this season.

...but if nobody notices, I feel sad for you.

I enjoy giving Christmas gifts.

Most of my family and friends of veruy modest means, and I'm on a pension myself, so I don't get much of a return, but no one is going to rob me of the joy I get when I discover the exact perfect gift for someone I care about. If I bring a tear to someone's grateful eyes, I don't mind if a retailer shares the happiness.

I obviously don't run in WalMart at the last minute and grab something off a rack. I consider artful gift shopping a noble sport that doesn't rule out garage sales and consignment shops.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #77)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:58 AM

102. you ought to get out more

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:09 PM

78. Wow. I feel young again.

This thread needs some reefer.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:14 PM

80. No. I will buy gifts for those I love.

For my wife, I have a jewelry maker creating a necklace that I described to her. She works for herself, and creates beautiful jewelry. She owns her business, is the only employee, and works from a workshop in her home. I have no doubt that my wife will like it very much, and the money I spent will help that craftsperson make a living.

Is she a "greedy fucking pig?" I don't think so.

For my mother, I'm giving her a bonsai tree grown by a lovely gentleman in my old home town. My mother loves growing things, but is 88 years old, now, and can't really do gardening any longer. I called Mr. Nakimoto and asked if he had something that would be easy for my mother to care for and that was a blooming tree. What he suggested was a dwarf pomegranate. He explained that they had been bred specifically for bonsai, and produced pomegranates only about half an inch in diameter after flowering. Tiny leaves, too.

My father, who is also 88, is getting a restored photo of his grandparents, taken in the 1880s. After scanning it, I did the restoration myself, removing stains, blemishes, and bringing the couple back to show them at their prime. My father was partly raised by them, and he'll enjoy seeing them as he remembered them. I'm not spending a lot on this, but the frame is made by a local woodworker, who specializes in reproducing 19th century photo frames.

All of these people are in business. Are they "greedy fucking pigs?"

For you, I have a couple of lumps of coal. Just DU Mail me your address, and I'll gift wrap them and send them on their way to you.

I think you need to rethink your post. Truly.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:49 PM

88. Been trying for years to convince family to give to charity instead of gifts....

But they always give me something anyway. So back to gifts and charity....

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:05 PM

90. You are a very sad person, aren't you?

You seem very, very concerned about showing how much better you are than everyone else. Even if your philosophy has created tons of suffering. Or are you gonna claim China's Cultural Revolution was utterly fantastic?

Enjoy your sanctimony this Christmas. I'm gonna give a 2-year-old something she'll love for years.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:36 AM

96. You have meddled with the primal forces of nature.

 

and they won't have it!


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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:43 AM

97. I used to kind of go along with the "what good would crashing the economy do"

 

line of thought, but I kinda don't anymore.

Those people need a wake-up call, and maybe this would be as good as any other.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:42 AM

99. I almost NEVER purchase anything specifically to give at christmas

as much as I like a good orgy, the orgy of commercial capitalism that constitutes christmas is one I'll skip.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:55 AM

100. I'm online, ordering you coal, right now. nt

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:57 AM

101. Great! Put me out business while you are at it.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:00 AM

103. I don't buy Christmas presents for you n/t

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:02 AM

105. Not ALL businesses are bad and Christmas isn't evil corporate greed if you don't allow it to be.

This will be the second year to continue our new holiday tradition. We do a "Shop American, shop local" Christmas. We either give something American made or buy something made by local business owners, or gift certificates for services like nail techs, hair salons or restaurants.

Small businesses have been hit hard by the growth of big chain stores and as a self-employed person I'd rather support those types of businesses.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:03 AM

106. this might be a parody of liberals

maybe we will see it posted at RW blogs as "proof" about how "we" think.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #106)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:19 AM

114. Yep. Evidence of the "War on Christmas" (nt)

.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #106)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 01:59 PM

119. That's exactly what it is

Someone trying to make Democrats look bad. Complete with ironic username.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:04 AM

107. I used to stay up Christmas Eve, making Christmas dinners as gifts.

All homemade.

Soup, bread, cookies, main dish, side dishes, dessert.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:12 AM

108. No thanks...

Went shopping during Black Friday sales last night. Love shopping for my kids and family. We also make gifts.

Not gonna let big business bother me...

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:15 AM

109. ... he posted from his highspeed wireless IPAD.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:16 AM

110. No problem.

Got no income anyway.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:24 AM

111. You can buy from me

I am a nice guy and treat my workers fairly (I am the only worker). I am not particularly greedy, and my business donated blue.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:44 AM

116. I quit doing Christmas ten years ago

Each year when I see the crowds,
and angry people fighting over Black Friday
and over parking spots

and then I see what they're buying,

I get a renewed sense
of satisfaction from not participating.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:06 PM

118. mind your own business n/t

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:03 PM

120. I bet you're fun at parties.

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Response to name not needed (Reply #120)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:07 PM

122. It's Like Jeff and Judy downer somehow.....nt

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Response to name not needed (Reply #120)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:57 PM

123. Parties? Fun and entertainment come at the expense of social justice!

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