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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:49 PM

 

Who favors Colorado/Washington states rights on legal marijuana?

I know I do!

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Reply Who favors Colorado/Washington states rights on legal marijuana? (Original post)
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teddy51 Nov 2012 #1
Loudly Nov 2012 #2
Deep13 Nov 2012 #3
colsohlibgal Nov 2012 #4
0rganism Nov 2012 #5
truedelphi Nov 2012 #25
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #58
truedelphi Nov 2012 #63
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #64
Ashgrey77 Nov 2012 #6
ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #7
brewens Nov 2012 #35
Matariki Nov 2012 #66
Iggy Nov 2012 #8
jody Nov 2012 #9
DearAbby Nov 2012 #10
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #11
Flashmann Nov 2012 #12
PoliticalBiker Nov 2012 #13
LAGC Nov 2012 #14
Lizzie Poppet Nov 2012 #15
arcane1 Nov 2012 #36
Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #60
upi402 Nov 2012 #16
Bill Drat Nov 2012 #17
xtraxritical Nov 2012 #18
jody Nov 2012 #20
jtuck004 Nov 2012 #21
Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #32
Caretha Nov 2012 #54
elias7 Nov 2012 #61
Odin2005 Nov 2012 #19
banned from Kos Nov 2012 #22
Milliesmom Nov 2012 #23
LAGC Nov 2012 #24
Panasonic Nov 2012 #28
Warpy Nov 2012 #26
TeamPooka Nov 2012 #27
fascisthunter Nov 2012 #29
Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #51
bluedigger Nov 2012 #30
Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #31
silverweb Nov 2012 #40
WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2012 #33
fleur-de-lisa Nov 2012 #34
beveeheart Nov 2012 #37
Hulk Nov 2012 #38
1monster Nov 2012 #39
Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #41
MFM008 Nov 2012 #42
defacto7 Nov 2012 #43
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #44
pasto76 Nov 2012 #45
CrispyQ Nov 2012 #46
Kath1 Nov 2012 #68
bora13 Nov 2012 #47
Kennah Nov 2012 #48
musiclawyer Nov 2012 #56
Kennah Nov 2012 #57
kag Nov 2012 #49
chknltl Nov 2012 #50
Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #52
Ghost in the Machine Nov 2012 #53
aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #55
LVdem Nov 2012 #59
Turn CO Blue Nov 2012 #62
Dems50State Nov 2012 #65
Kath1 Nov 2012 #67

Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:53 PM

1. Me as well!

 

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:53 PM

2. I favor federal preemption on most matters.

 

But federal law is so stupid on this subject that I have to go with the states.

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:55 PM

3. I pretty much oppose the prison-industrial complex...

...so I naturally sympathize with legalization efforts for mary jane, wacky tobaccy, joints, blunts, doobies, reefer, weed, and grass. Not really interested in smoking it myself, though.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:02 PM

4. Of Course

It will be legal all places sooner rather than later. It's a cash cow.

It's at the very least no worse than booze.

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:07 PM

5. i favor FDA reclassification

Until that happens, enjoyment of the Herb will never be completely free of the taint of paranoia. The damage was done at the federal level, and needs to be fixed at the federal level before states can be expected to reliably regulate internal commerce.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:51 PM

25. Actually, what is involved is having as head of the Dept of Justice,

An individual who will have the gumption to avoid being a puppet for Big Prison and Big Pharma and who will re-schedule the substance of marijuana down to a de-criminalized level.

Judging on his actions, Obama's appointee, Eric Holder, is not that individual.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:54 PM

58. Actually, the problem is

Federal officials should not be able to ignore Federal laws.
technically speaking.
Re Holder, he obviously has the ability to pick and choose which laws he wants to ignore.
Altho pot I think comes under the jurisdiction of ATF???

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 07:36 PM

63. The re-scheduling of marijuana comes under either DOJ and/or DEA

But let's face it - Obama has been the President since Jan 20th 2009. And he therefore can see to it that the people who head those two agencies carry out his will on the matter of marijuana.

If the President wanted marijuana removed from being Schedule One, he could certainly appoint someone who would do it.

And Eric Holder gets asked about the President and his drug policies all the time. This is an informative piece here:

http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/30/eric-holder-tells-huffington-post-that-w

And the article makes clear comments made to Holder, and his responses, during last spring's Correspondent's Dinner.

As far as the fact that the DOJ should be enforcing the laws of the land, I guess they are simply overwhelmed. It's hard for them to do things at once (Sarcasm alert!) Why, take how busy the DOJ was back in the last week of September 2012. They and ICE and local police went into over 30 households in a modest Santa Rosa neighborhood, due to the fact that while serving a warrant on a household where marijuana was being grown, they saw some plants in several other yards, and decided to take down all those people. Folks pulled out of their homes, kids sitting on the curb crying, etc.

Meanwhile last year's Sixty Minutes TV show took the time to detail how several whistle blowers had the goods on big time executives of banks and mortgage firms and how fraud was knowingly committed at those firms, with documentation that proved it! DOJ did nothing, with Sixty Minutes adding, "Fewer white collar criminals have been indicted under the Obama Administration than at any other time in twenty years."

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #63)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:15 PM

64. True, delphi.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:15 PM

6. I voted for it in Colorado. :) n/t

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:19 PM

7. I live in Washington state

My smoking pot days are far behind me, and I support it 100%.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:12 PM

35. I'm right by washington, in Idaho. I'm a little concerned with the way they

seem to have written it up to trap people on DUI's. maybe that part won't hold up in court. They still left in every incentive for cops to hassle people over weed. We'll see what they do on routine traffic stops when someone is in possession of legal amounts.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:52 AM

66. +1

everything you said. same here.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:25 PM

8. Kick...

 

why are we 50 years behing on this??

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:31 PM

9. Jefferson & Madisonís 1798 efforts to nullify unconstitutional laws still alive!

 

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:43 PM

10. My husband and I voted for it.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:48 PM

11. I do. Generally, I am not a states rights supporter unless the rights are for just causes. nt

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:50 PM

12. I do

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:53 PM

13. ME ME ME

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:53 PM

14. Come on, President Obama, RESCHEDULE THAT SHIT via Executive Order!

Lets end this Prohibition bullshit right here, right now.



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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:26 PM

15. You bet I do.

I''m a bit ashamed that our similar proposition here in Oregon failed...but in all fairness, it was a very poorly-written proposition.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:13 PM

36. That was our experience in California as well :(

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:51 PM

60. Why do you say it was poorly written?

I've heard that from others but never understood why.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:27 PM

16. I don't even drink and I do! n/t

Not going to affect me a bit.

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:29 PM

17. Me three!!!!! Nt

 

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:30 PM

18. This gets posted? DU?

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:33 PM

20. Apparently you oppose legalizing marijuana. nt

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:33 PM

21. How nice. Not everyone has relatives to argue with on the holidays.

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That's where technology can provide a solution.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:11 PM

32. I'm not sure if I understand your objection.

However, if you're against marijuana legalization, you're in the minority around here, mac.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:24 PM

54. Yeppers

and I don't get it that you don't get it. Every single democrat I know, get's it. Always have and always will.

BTW, I'm an old fart, and my older than older fart parents got it, and so did their older than older farts got it.


So what's holding you up? Maybe you aren't a progressive democrat.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:22 PM

61. I agree. It's like asking a Dem if they're glad Romney lost.

Silly thread, but ironic in that states rights always seems to be a republican cry, though I'd imagine there's less than unanimous support for this issue among them.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:31 PM

19. State POWERS, not "rights"

"States Rights" is racist code and it is disappointing seeing progressives use the phrase.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:44 PM

22. Yes, it was a trick question.

 

Federalism is in the eye of the beholder.

I certainly do favor the power of the state to determine marijuana legalization though.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:45 PM

23. I voted for it.

And I don't even use it, it's time to stop the war on drugs. Just think of the money we would save. Think of the people not going to prison.

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Response to Milliesmom (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:49 PM

24. And all the added tax revenue...

We could fund clinics to help people with their addictions instead of fueling crime and the black market, especially in the inner-cities.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:06 PM

28. The tax revenue will be going to education where the money is badly needed, not clinics

 

I have been smoking since 1996, and am not addicted.

I'm sure there will be a few "recovery" clinics to spring up, but is really not needed since one of the largest recovery clinics is here in Denver (Arapahoe House)

I have to wait before buying buds starting tomorrow because my red card has expired and Colorado is a little behind on sending out renewals (usually 4-6 week wait. On Week 3 and waiting)

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:01 PM

26. Of course, the war against pot has always been racist, stupid, and unwinnable

There's a better case for medical pot since medical practice is always regulated by the states, only basic guidelines issued by the Feds. The FDA doesn't regulate pot, it's been blocked by the punitive DEA.

The rebellion against the nonsense of the drug war will likely have to happen one state at a time, each state refusing to allow its police to be used as an arm of the DEA. The laws will simply become unenforceable and will exist as relics of a time gone by, like those laws against whistling on Sunday.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:03 PM

27. since the right wants to outlaw something that's legal federally (abortion) why not

make something legal that is illegal (pot) on the federal level?

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:07 PM

29. how progressive of you



Except when it comes to economics.

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:15 PM

51. I see what you did there.


agree.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:09 PM

30. It got my vote. n/t

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:10 PM

31. I favor the right of consenting adults to be in charge of their own bodies, brains & bloodstreams.

I actually think marijuana prohibition is fundamentally unconstitutional. I suspect the founding fathers would be appalled at the idea of the government arresting people for growing hemp.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:27 PM

40. Well said.

I absolutely agree. This is what the issue really is.

Personally, I haven't been anywhere near marijuana since the mid '70s (and it was rare, mostly by accident then), but I fully favor treating it exactly like alcohol.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:11 PM

33. I'm right there with ya.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:12 PM

34. Me . . .

I personally don't particularly like weed, but I don't care if anyone else partakes. It sickens me to think of the number of people thrown in prison with crazy long sentences solely for smoking pot, not to mention the amount of federal money wasted trying to control it. It's use will never be contained.

Legalize it and tax it. Hopefully the occasional violence associated with distribution will also go by the wayside.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:17 PM

37. I do, I do! And I voted for it too!

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:19 PM

38. I live in Washington state, and I'm THRILLED!!

I tried a joint about a year back, after not having touched Mary-Jane for 35 years. I get just as goofy and confused as always, so it's not my cup of tea. But I'm all for legalizing it and keeping it legal. Why not???

Look at alcohol for a second. This drug actually KILLS thousands every year, not to mention screws up more lives and families. That's not to say that marijuana might also lead to a few deaths, and maybe even a few thousand lives being negatively affected; but NOTHING like what alcohol has done and continues to do.

Besides, legalizing will literally evaporate the illegal trade...cartels, and the death and destruction that go along with that business.

I'm ALL FOR IT!! Legalize it. And then maybe we can take a look at what to do with cocaine and the other destructive drugs.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:25 PM

39. I fiugre that when two thirds of the states pass laws legalizing marijuana,

it'll become the law of the land...

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:28 PM

41. War on drugs is stupid and un winnable...so legalization is the right thing to do.

Personally, I would never use it and not allow anyone in my home to use it without prescription from a doctor. Other people should be allowed to make their own choice.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:29 PM

42. I voted YES

in WA.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:35 PM

43. I'm in.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:38 PM

44. I favor legal marijuana but I don't care about states really.

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:39 PM

45. the 47% who voted for Romney SHOULD, but they dont know how dumb they are

small government means small government. not just on taxes and abortion. First year we had MMJ in CO, it was like 10 Billion in revenue.

I wish I coulda voted more than once on 64

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:44 PM

46. Fuckin' A!

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #46)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:37 AM

68. Couldn't have said it any better.

Anti-marijuana laws are just stupid. Just the opinion of a 54 year old fart.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:50 PM

47. The Who does favor it!

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:51 PM

48. I'm in Washington, and I voted for I-502

That said, unless I were independently wealthy, I wouldn't light up because my life insurance rates would move into smoker status, and I won't be surprised if some insurance companies try to duck out on paying out death benefits because one smoked a joint.

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Response to Kennah (Reply #48)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:40 PM

56. You can't be a smoker if you Vape

Vapor is smoke free and the present and future

Smoking is to enjoying cannabis what reel to reel is to recording music

Get a magic flight box for less than 100 bucks and you don't even need a lighter or electrical outlet

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Response to musiclawyer (Reply #56)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:45 PM

57. Things that make ya go hmmmmmm.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:01 PM

49. I have a kind of unique perspective on this.

I was never a pot smoker in my teens or twenties. I just didn't like it, so I never used it.

I have two teenaged kids who have said they don't smoke it, and I believe them, but I know for a fact that some of their friends do. I don't really care that much as long as their safe. They both have some asthma, so the smoke alone is kind of bothersome for them.

But I also have a chronic pain condition, so when CO legalized MMJ, I got a card and tried it for the first time in many years. Didn't help at all with the pain, and just made me stupid, so I let my card expire and gave my weed to someone who could use it.

I fully supported Amendment 64, and was pissed as hell when the Boulder Daily Camera came out against it, saying, "pot should be legal, but this is the wrong way." I think that's a tired straw man, and didn't agree with any of their arguments.

Hopefully this is just he camel's nose under the tent, and the laws will ease up around the country.

My two cents.

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:03 PM

50. I voted no in Washington

In watching a town hall meeting prior to the election I became convinced that this was actually a wolf in sheep's clothing. From what I learned, the legislation was deliberately written up to screw the hell out of drivers pulled over and tested for being under the influence.

Putting it in the perspective of alcohol, the laws as they are work as a deterrent. Get busted and you face a nightmare plus you face an industry exploiting your misery for their own profit. If the minimum tolerance for being an impaired driver was lowered by a ridiculous amount, say to the level of having a beer 48 hrs. prior to driving, it is obvious that there was no REAL impairment-that the new law was designed for another purpose:to feed an exploitive industry.

This from what I understand, is what the new legislation is designed to do. The amount of thc in ones system under the new law is retardedly low according to those I watched who advocated against this particular legalization. The guy who convinced me to vote against was a lawyer for NORML who made the claim that he would be utterly unable to defend drivers pulled over who failed the new drug tests.

I am for legalization, i am against shady characters who would design laws meant only to add money to their pockets.

Perhaps I got duped, the vote wound up for legalization. Time will tell who actually won: We The People or a shady industry seeking to create and exploit the misery of hapless drivers doing no real harm.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:21 PM

52. It depends.


From a reality-based approach, state-laws are the best way to push this. Maybe even the only.

But then again - the whole basis, logic and infrastructure of our drug laws is so hopelessly full of shit, racist and corrupt that we'd best have an open and honest discussion about how it came about. If we had that, any basis for a federal mandate to prohibit would become moot.

I am opposed to all drug laws as they currently stand on the national level. But I am even more vehemently opposed to the classification of Weed. Anyone that I know who ever looked up the history of Weed prohibition in the US knows that it is based on an ugly mix of crony capitalism (protecting Hearst and Dupont from the marketplace), racism and social engineering. I cannot respect anyone who argues for prohibition on that basis.

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:21 PM

53. I'm ready to move to a state with legal medical mj, or even Colorado or Washington now...

We had legal medical pot in Tennessee for 9 years, but ended when the ole Miss program did.... we've been fighting for years to bring it back. DU's own "Fly by Night" has been a leading voice in this fight.

This is the Prospectus that has been waiting to be voted on in the State House: http://www.offrampbums.com/tnmmj.html

Peace,

Ghost

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:34 PM

55. Yes.

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:28 PM

59. I do...

And i dig your avatar...

Gin is FABULOUS...

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:47 PM

62. Who favors it? Cops do, voters do, I do

and I voted for it too

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Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:18 PM

65. After getting my red card I DO

 

Thank God I live in Colorado a sane state.

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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:13 AM

67. I do, 100%!

I'm 54 and I smoke occasionally. My daughter is a regular smoker. No one should have a criminal record for smoking pot, IMHO. I used to work with some high-dollar, top flight female lawyers (who, by the way did a lot of pro bono pro-choice and women's right work). Every single one of them smoked pot. I would love to see it legalized nationwide.

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