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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:32 PM

If Native Americans had our immigration laws:

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Reply If Native Americans had our immigration laws: (Original post)
1monster Nov 2012 OP
niyad Nov 2012 #1
msongs Nov 2012 #2
Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #4
1monster Nov 2012 #5
naaman fletcher Nov 2012 #9
1monster Nov 2012 #11
naaman fletcher Nov 2012 #14
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #8
jeff47 Nov 2012 #15
ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #3
Igel Nov 2012 #6
Lasher Nov 2012 #13
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #7
1monster Nov 2012 #10
xchrom Nov 2012 #12
Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #16

Response to 1monster (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:35 PM

1. love it

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:38 PM

2. "native" americans are immigrants like everyone else nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:45 PM

4. Not even close

They were the first humans to populate the continent. There were no national borders. Incomparable to immigration today.

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:45 PM

5. Yes, but is there any evidence that they displaced anyone?

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Response to 1monster (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:29 PM

9. yes there is

 

What we call native americans displaced earlier populations

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Response to naaman fletcher (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:43 PM

11. Care to elaborate or link to evidence?

There is evidence of other Asian and European cultures coming to the Americas in prehistoric times, but I've never heard that those immigrants had established more than a foothold here and there or that they were displaced by those whom we now call Native Americans.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:59 PM

14. tomorrow

 

Am in middle of thangiving bender with other single dads who dont have kids so cant really do research right now

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:13 PM

8. Who did they force out of their homes? Whose land did they steal?

I think there's a pretty major difference.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:13 PM

15. Mostly the people who ended up South of them.

The Americas were initially settled in a few big waves. Generally, the new arrivals pushed the existing tribes South.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:42 PM

3. Thank you n/t

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:46 PM

6. We have some idea as to what happened in various places.

In New England, the new-comers made handy allies in a war.

In Central America, the new-comers were picked up by a liberation organization activist out to fight the imperialist oppressors of his people.

That the new comers then turned on their former allies and bested them, as well, in military conquest (thus playing by their own rules--conquest yielded possession of the land) is, well, less unfortunate as entirely expected.

Even the tribes in Texas decided to make use of the Spanish in their effort to fight against the genocidal invaders known as the Apaches.

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Response to Igel (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:43 PM

13. Comanches took the Apaches' territory to the north in the 1670s.

That's why displaced Apaches moved to south Texas. The Kiowa were pushed into Oklahoma and Arkansas by the invading Cheyenne and Sioux, who had been forced out of their lands in the great lakes regions by the Ojibwa tribes. But Comanches occupied Oklahoma and Arkansas at the time, so the Kiowas fought to take their land from them.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:09 PM

7. K&R nt

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:39 PM

10. Just found one to complement this one on Facebook.

:rolf:

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:47 PM

12. Du rec. Nt

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:18 PM

16. K&R!

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