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Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:22 PM

 

Which elected post-Eisenhower Republican was the least bad President?

Kind of sad that the answer's Nixon.
30 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
Richard Nixon
7 (23%)
Ronald Reagan
0 (0%)
George H. W. Bush
23 (77%)
George W. Bush
0 (0%)
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Reply Which elected post-Eisenhower Republican was the least bad President? (Original post)
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 OP
reusrename Nov 2012 #1
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #3
NoGOPZone Nov 2012 #9
reusrename Nov 2012 #25
unblock Nov 2012 #30
catbyte Nov 2012 #34
reusrename Nov 2012 #45
mojowork_n Nov 2012 #2
Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #4
MrSlayer Nov 2012 #5
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #6
reusrename Nov 2012 #27
Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #46
rzemanfl Nov 2012 #7
NoGOPZone Nov 2012 #8
Blasphemer Nov 2012 #40
Gman Nov 2012 #10
customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #23
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #11
pangaia Nov 2012 #31
Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #12
LeftInTX Nov 2012 #16
Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #17
oldhippydude Nov 2012 #26
graham4anything Nov 2012 #33
Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #36
graham4anything Nov 2012 #42
jmowreader Nov 2012 #41
Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #13
elfin Nov 2012 #14
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #15
LeftInTX Nov 2012 #18
Iggo Nov 2012 #19
Jack Rabbit Nov 2012 #20
nevergiveup Nov 2012 #21
Posteritatis Nov 2012 #22
thucythucy Nov 2012 #24
Raine Nov 2012 #28
Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #29
pangaia Nov 2012 #32
csziggy Nov 2012 #35
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #37
cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #38
BlueStater Nov 2012 #39
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #43
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #44

Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:25 PM

1. Ford did the least damage.

 

For elected presidents - Nixon.

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Response to reusrename (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:27 PM

3. Changed it to elected.

 

I always forget Ford. He was rather inoffensive.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:36 PM

9. but that would eliminate Bush 2 as one of the selections nt

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Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:34 PM

25. well played n/t

 

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Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:45 PM

30. his horrendous performance in the oval office took care of that.

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Response to reusrename (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:04 PM

34. Disagree. Ford did tremendous damage by pardoning Nixon. He set the precedent for

consequence-free presidencies, hence Iran-Contra, Iraq, "enhanced interrogations", etc. And I live in Ford's hometown. Drive by the Ford Presidential Library all the time. The timeline wall detailing the Mayaguez Incident is particularly riveting...

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Response to catbyte (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:55 AM

45. Yes, I have to agree.

 

That was the beginning of our overt lawlessness. The idea that we don't all play by the same rules was ratified by the pardon.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:25 PM

2. OMG, I can't vote. Ike was O.K. but the rest of these choices.... eom

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:28 PM

4. Trick question. They all sucked...

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:29 PM

5. Tricky Dick I guess.

 

But he also sucked.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:32 PM

6. Ford

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:45 PM

27. I said Ford, too, but I just remembered the horrible thing he did.

 

By pardoning Nixon he started us on the path to our present lawlessness. Up until that time, no one was above the law. It was argued that Nixon deserved special treatment, that he was somehow too important to be subject to the same rules as the rest of us. And that argument won, which put us on the path to Dubbya openly bragging about being a war criminal.

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Response to reusrename (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:14 AM

46. And his silence-to-the-grave about the controversial Warren Commission report...

He was the last to go (of the commission members) and he kept the secrets secret all the way to his demise.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:33 PM

7. Nixon was just like R$money. He ran on a lie (secret plan to end the war) just like R$money's

12 million "magic" jobs. None of them were any good. Nixon's overtures to China lead to WalMart. None of them were any good at all.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:33 PM

8. Bush 1, because he only served four years

Nixon was the prototype of the modern Republican, justifiying the use of brutal tactics with the paranoid belief that everyone else was doing the same to him

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Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:27 AM

40. This was my reasoning as well

Bush Sr. may have ended being far worse if he had another term. In some ways, I can understand choosing Nixon but I believe that the bad deeds that we know about are just the tip of the iceberg with him. He was frighteningly remorseless. Reagan's policies were no doubt the worst but Nixon had some serious personality disorders.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:36 PM

10. In 1974 I could never have imagined saying Nixxon

And now I am. That's how low the GOP has fallen.

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Response to Gman (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:59 PM

23. Agreed

A lot of progressive legislation was signed by him. You can't say that about the other Republicons.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:36 PM

11. Bill Clinton. n/t

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:49 PM

31. Good one. I like it. :>))

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:38 PM

12. Nixon did the most damage outside Reagan ...

H.W. Bush probably did the least. He wasn't around long enough as president to do damage. Nixon was revolting and drew the blueprint on how to win using racial code words. He also disgraced the presidency and was just a piece of shit human being to boot.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:58 PM

16. Reagan, H.W., and W were all worse than Nixon

I don't think Nixon tried to dismantle LBJ's legacy. He also created the EPA, Endangered Species Acts,& Earth Day. Nixon was a bad person. No doubt about that.

Reagan was absolutely horrible because he went about dismantling both Carter and LBJ. He was a racist. Brought Lee Atwater into the fold.

W was horrible. Dick Cheney was pure evil. W had too much power with Republicans controlling the House and Senate.

HW made the racist Lee Atwater his campaign manager. But the HW, Lee Atwater, Karl Rove thing is disgusting and has left a horrible, dirty legacy on the Republicans. Bob Dole could have gotten the Republican nod over Bush if it wasn't for Atwater's dirty tricks.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:05 PM

17. I'd agree with W. and Reagan - but Nixon was a racist bigot...

Who tainted the presidency for a generation, lied to keep us in Vietnam and, as I said, drew up the blueprint on how to use racist code language to win the White House - something Reagan used effectively.

The fact is, without Nixon, there is no Reagan and no H.W. Bush and no W.. He started it all. Therefore, I consider him one of the worst presidents in American history. We were far worse off as a nation for his presidency than, IMO, H.W. Bush's presidency.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:40 PM

26. actually Nixon did dismantle some of LBJ's Legacy

notably the war on poverty....

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:58 PM

33. Did you forget Iran/Contra? And he created Lee Atwater and/and/and/and/and/and/and/and

 

everything bad the last 60 years was/is/could have been directly linked to Bush41.

(and was he really in Dallas "bumming around" that fateful day 50 years ago???)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:51 PM

36. No...but Bush wasn't president long enough to do any real long term damage...

Had he lost in '88, I don't know how much changes. Our economy still plunges into recession in the early 90s, thanks to Reagan, Dukakis is probably a one-term president, and some right-winger wins in '92 instead of Clinton. W. still runs for governor of Texas, wins, and claims the presidency.

Nixon fathered the modern day Republican Party. Everything nasty and ugly came from Nixon - everything. Had there been no Nixon, had Humphrey won in '68, the entire Republican Party as we know it never exists. Reagan probably doesn't ever run, there is no H.W. Bush, no W. Bush ... no nothing. Nixon changed the dynamics more than any president we've had. Reagan was worse, but Nixon created Reagan.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #36)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:54 AM

42. You mean had the super great Lyndon B. Johnson not been sold down the river & won in 1968

 

LBJ would have defeated Nixon either before or after Bobby died.

Those that put a wedge issue first instead of the greater goal (social issues outtrump foreign issues every time in Democratic history), tossed LBJ aside.

LBJ/Nixon would have been a battle of titan's, the soul.
HHH a great liberal was no match in the end and as HHH was saddled with LBJ's one bad wedge anyhow, why not just have LBJ?

And it could be said with LBJ winning in 1968, Bobby would have become President in 1972 and 1976, Teddy in 1980 and 1984, JFK Jr. at some point, and who knows Caroline as first woman President.
By the same scenerio, Dr. King might have been Teddy's VP and in 1988 became the first black President.

SO it would have been
LBJ
BOBBY
Teddy
Dr. Martin Luther King
JFK Jr.
Caroline

we can dream, can't we?

But it started you are correct in 1968, where the Dems divided themselves and committed political suicide.

And I will defend LBJ to the end as right now he is #3 in the all time President list after Lincoln and FDR and right before #4 Obama.

I do rank Ronald Reagan as the single WORST president of all time
closely followed by the Bush's and Gerald "made man" Ford.

Nixon, on the other hand, had many good things in his tenure, and I put him as a could have been Top 10 had he not been so damn paranoid.
And IMHO Bush took down Nixon with Watergate.

You forget something about 41- he wanted to be VP after Agnew fell, and Nixon refused it.
You also have to remember how 41 sold Ford down the river when it was 41 who released to Cronkite the info that Reagan was going to pick Ford and Reagan thought Ford released that info ruining the "super team". 41 then got himself picked VP (much the way Cheney picked himself too). Ford begat Cheney by the way.

And you forget Ross Perot's personal grudge against 41 was the sole purpose of Perot running in 1992 in the first place. (He never wanted to be President IMHO, just stop 41 because of his personal grudge...everything else was posturing.)
Were it not for Perot, it is quite possible 41 would have won again.

What is interesting to think is- if 41 won reelection, would Ted Kennedy have become President in 1996?
Would Jerry Brown have become President in 1996? Or could quite possibly Jesse Jackson have won? It is fascinating to think of what if in history. It almost certainly would have been a major liberal name.
Would Teddy have been persuaded to give it one more try? Especially as it might have been a sure shot after 4 terms of Reagan/Bush.
If only Teddy ran any other time BUT 1980, the one time that was totally wrong(unless Jimmy had done the LBJ and not run, but why would Jimmy have done that? That made no sense.

BTW- I consider Eisenhower to have been one of the worst people too. We never should elect a general president. Eisenhower and Reagan very similiar.
One can only dream if AES had become President.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:24 AM

41. GHB's damage was mostly done before he became president

He was CIA director and in that capacity put thugs like Noriega on the payroll.

Jimmy Carter's first official act as president was firing George Bush, which makes me wonder why the Bureau of Public Roads Laboratory is now named the George Bush Center for Intelligence. Couldn't they have found someone slightly less corrupt to name it after?

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:39 PM

13. Alternatively, rank

the following demons from most to least evil:

Lucifer
Mammon
Asmodeus
Leviathan
Beelzebub
Satan
Belphegor

Pretty much the same task.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:45 PM

14. Nixon -- and I HATED him

He had the courage ( or cynical savvy) to open our relations with China, start the EPA, begin Urban Renewal Enterprise Zones etc etc. Geo.HW was relatively benign compared with Dimson, but Nixon could have been truly transforming for the Rethugs, if he hadn't cratered to the baser pulls of racism and of course, that old nemesis of the GOP -- paranoia. Much smarter than GWB - but DDE was really the last Repug Pres. who understood national and the commons interest.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:46 PM

15. As I voted the screen went blank for a minute and now? I think it was Rove. He rerouted the votes

thru Tenn. I think they have flipped.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:06 PM

18. If Nixon hadn't been a crook - it would not have changed the Republican party

Reagan would have made his way to president. He ran against all the moderates in the past.
Reagan ruined the Republican party.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:09 PM

19. Before I even clicked on this thread...

...I thought. "Oh my god. I think it's Nixon."

Of course, I was born in the 60s. People who were of age back then might have a different opinion of him. I seem to remember the long-hairs didn't like him too much.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:20 PM

20. I voted for Bush the Preppy

If you hadn't said elected president, I would have chosen Ford. He did the least damage because he served the least time in office.

However, you did say elected president, which begs the question: What is Bush the Frat Boy doing on that list?

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:33 PM

21. There are no words

to accurately describe how much I despised Richard Nixon. Reagan destroyed the American middle class. W was an idiot who will likely become known as America's worst president. I am therefore left with no choice but to vote for the dad of Idiot Son.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:36 PM

22. That's the most entertainingly-worded poll question I've seen here in ages. (nt)

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:32 PM

24. Bush the Elder signed the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990,

and so I absolutely have to give him credit for that.

Nixon, however, prolonged the Vietnam war for an extra four years, invaded Cambodia and overthrew its moderate goverment, thus paving the way for the Khmer Rouge. He helped overthrow the democratically elected government of Chile, making way for Pinochet and his death squads. As his vice president he chose Spiro Agnew, arguably the most corrupt VP since Aaron Burr.

There's no way I would ever cast a vote for Tricky Dick Nixon, not even on an internet poll.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:45 PM

28. Nixon, the most progressive of them. IMO Raygun most damaging

we're still suffering what he inflicted on this nation.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:45 PM

29. Nixon because of the EPA and normalization of our relationship with China.

He sucked for so many other reasons.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:52 PM

32. None of the above.

Sorry, I just can not bring myself to stick my finger on one of those buttons..The horror all these men brought upon the Us and the world may never be overcome.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:12 PM

35. Another vote for none of the above

Since I was old enough to vote, there has not been one Republican president, elected or not, that I would consider to be a decent human being. I would not want to meet any of them or shake their hands. I would run away if any one offered to give me the opportunity.

On the other hand, it would be an honor to meet any of the Democratic presidents that I have had the honor of voting for - Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. All are honorable me who have worked hard for the good of this country and the world.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:44 PM

37. Ford should be up there.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:18 AM

38. "elected"

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:35 AM

39. Probably Poppy

And that's ONLY because he wasn't around long enough to create as much damage as the other three.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:07 AM

43. self-delete

 

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:10 AM

44. poppy is one of the most evil beings in the history of mankind. so i went with...nixon?

 

tricky dick did do a few decent things...maybe not enough to balance out the bad...but still better than ronbo raygun and evil incarnate in the form of the bab's boys.

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