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Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:57 PM

 

why not limit ads on network tv to like 8 minutes an hour?

Screw the 1%.

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Reply why not limit ads on network tv to like 8 minutes an hour? (Original post)
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 OP
randr Nov 2012 #1
julian09 Nov 2012 #3
OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #2
HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #7
OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #8
HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #13
OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #14
HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #16
OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #17
HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #20
OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #22
HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #24
OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #29
HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #30
MrSlayer Nov 2012 #4
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #26
MineralMan Nov 2012 #5
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #9
MineralMan Nov 2012 #11
TrogL Nov 2012 #6
Doremus Nov 2012 #10
mythology Nov 2012 #15
OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #18
KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #19
OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #21
Midwestern Democrat Nov 2012 #25
RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #12
jambo101 Nov 2012 #23
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #27
brooklynite Nov 2012 #32
Iggo Nov 2012 #28
Son of Gob Nov 2012 #31

Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:01 PM

1. 6 minutes an hour is giving them 10% of our public air to sell their shit

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Response to randr (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:10 PM

3. I wish they would enforce the volume rule

 

seems worse than before the law, very annoying. They should have A LA CARTE service ; they make plenty of money with the commercials then pile on exorbitant sub rates.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:02 PM

2. Under what authority

does the government have to limit the amount of advertising a network TV station can sell?

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:40 PM

7. The FCC licensing authority

The airwaves belong to the public. The FCC is charged with regulating said airwaves.


Does not apply to cable.

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Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:57 PM

8. Still haven't answered the question.

Specifically, in what law does the government have the authority to limit the amount of advertising network TV can have?

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:08 PM

13. The question:

Under what authority


does the government have to limit the amount of advertising a network TV station can sell?


Answer: The authority to regulate is contained in the FCC charter.



You narrowed the question. Originally you asked a broad question, got a broad answer.

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Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:55 PM

14. "The authority to regulate..."

The authority to regulate, what, exactly?

Content? Signal strength? Don't know?

The FCC charter does NOT regulate the amount of advertising.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:35 AM

16. Authority to regulate exactly ...

everything in a given station's broadcast day.

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Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:06 AM

17. Gosh, I'm lucky to be here.

When I worked in commercial radio for five years, near the end of December there would be very few spots to run. Sometimes there would be no spots in an hour.

Good thing the FCC didn't break down the door to arrest me for not running my quota of spots.

Tell me, how many spots does the government allow to run?

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:48 AM

20. Yes, you are very lucky to be here. This is a great country, greatest country in the world and

so on and so forth.

I would think anyone as intentionally as obtuse as you would have run into a brick wall or two at some time in the past.

Why did you ask where the authority comes from? You worked in commercial radio, you know this stuff. And who said anything about a quota? (besides you, just now)

Your original question 'by whose authority' and my response was the authority resides with the FCC. By whose authority? The FCC"S authority. The rest of this crap was you being 'thick as a plank' and making stuff up.


I had thought you were playing with me, trying to draw an insult or something. Or maybe you are just bored. Or working on your post count.


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Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:54 AM

22. You don't know what you're talking about

and you're not smart enough to shut up.

Yeah, I'm working on my post count. LOL! Only 10,000 more and I get the bean-bag ashtray.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:31 AM

24. Again with the insults.

You ask a question, then change the question. Throw insults.

I will grant that you can spell. But you don't argue effectively. You don't hold to the topic. You make stuff up and, if that doesn't work, you insult.



If you want to learn to argue effectively, this is a good place to develop your skills. But first, stop the insults. When you attack personally, you lose. You admit you have nothing.

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Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:18 AM

29. You STILL aren't smart enough to shut up.

Your claim that the FCC charter controls the amount of advertising on network TV is WRONG.

The "limit" on network TV advertising is self-imposed by the NAB, as KharmaTrain has pointed out, not the FCC.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:51 PM

30. Congratulations!!! You completely missed the point.

Though you may not realize it, you have agreed with my initial assertion that the authority resides with the FCC. And please note that is all I claimed--the authority to regulate.


As the esteemed KharmaTrain has informed us, and you asserted to be correct, the restrictions are "Self Imposed Through The NAB...

...National Association of Broadcasters. The "penalty" in the old days would be marks against a station in their attempts to renew their license."

What you apparently missed, in your haste to insult me once again, is the fact the National Association of Broadcasters is a trade organization. As such they are devoid of any enforcement authority. Their only claim to a semblance of authority (or ability to impose a "penalty") manifests itself only when the station's license is up for renewal. KharmaTrain goes on to say

"Today it's virtually impossible to challenge for a station's license thus very little accountability to the NAB or anyone else. The only thing that keeps them from adding more minutes is competition...people tend to dial away during long commercial breaks."


That is, the FCC has abrogated that responsibility to the "invisible hand of the Free Market" but that abrogation does not negate their authority to impose regulation.



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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:15 PM

4. Because the only reason TV exists is for ads.

 

The shows are there to rope you into seeing them.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:00 AM

26. Yes. Excellent shows have been cancelled for not generating enough ad revenue. nt

 

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:18 PM

5. Why not turn off your TV, or

tune to a non-commercial channel?

You're in complete control of your television viewing, you know. You can opt out at any time.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:59 PM

9. I don't even have cable.

 

I just find it silly that the United States allows more advertising than other countries.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:40 PM

11. Cable has nothing to do with it. If television advertising

offends you, shut off the TV and don't watch the advertising. Are there any PBS stations you get?

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:18 PM

6. Its a pissoff having a DVR

Many shows have so many commercials they have to do a recap. I can watch an hour-long show in 20 minutes

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:02 PM

10. There used to be limits to commercial time.

I'm not sure how many minutes per hour it used to be, but I wouldn't be surprised if commercial time is approaching 50-50 nowadays.

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Response to Doremus (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:50 AM

15. There still are limits

The limits have been loosened in recent years, but a 30 minute show is 22 minutes of show and 8 minutes of ads. A 60 minute show is usually 42 minutes with 18 of commercials, although some shows run longer. For example most episodes of Gilmore Girls and Veronica Mars ran around 44-46 minutes if I recall correctly. That said, early episodes of Law and Order from the early 1990s often ran close to 50 minutes.

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Response to mythology (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:11 AM

18. Why is there a limit?

What is the penalty for violating the limit?

Who is watching/listening to enforce the limit?

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:38 AM

19. Self Imposed Through The NAB...

...National Association of Broadcasters. The "penalty" in the old days would be marks against a station in their attempts to renew their license. Today it's virtually impossible to challenge for a station's license thus very little accountability to the NAB or anyone else. The only thing that keeps them from adding more minutes is competition...people tend to dial away during long commercial breaks.

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:49 AM

21. That's correct.

When I worked in radio, what mattered was getting in and out of spots before the competition did. That was the only "limit." (The sales department would have loved to have had more spots run. Occasionally there would be five minutes of commercials in one stop set. You could hear the dials turning.) The only other "limit" on the commercials was the claim of "nine songs, back to back!" or "40 minutes of non-stop music!" that was to be played each hour.

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Response to mythology (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:57 AM

25. The networks have to run more commercials now because their audiences are much smaller and thus the

ad rates are lower than in the days when there was only the big three networks. An example of the reduced cash flows of the networks - towards the end of Leno's first run as host of "The Tonight Show", that program was bringing in only a third of the ad revenue that it was bringing in a decade earlier.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:42 PM

12. Why?

Because the 1% owns network TV and want to further solidify their position amongst the 1%.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:16 AM

23. Commercial overload.

They'll just keep putting more and more advertising into tv till no one watches anymore,then they'll wonder why..
I've gotten into watching less tv,taping shows i do like and watching more tv on the computer..

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:01 AM

27. My cat walks across my keyboard and accidentally downloads all kinds of TV/Movies with no ads. nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:45 PM

32. Good thing all those actors and technicians are working for free...

...if nobody watched commercial television, and therefore the TV networks didn't have money to buy anynew shows, it's nice to know they'd still be produced.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:46 AM

28. Okay, done!

Next?

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:34 PM

31. I like your username.

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