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Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:05 PM

 

Hillary needs to stay.

We can't afford to lose her.

The idea of Susan Rice taking her place is unimaginable.

Hillary's stature, her credibility, her relationships and her skills are sorely needed.

If she does leave, we need someone that is at least her equal. Can we appoint Bill?

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Reply Hillary needs to stay. (Original post)
dkf Nov 2012 OP
cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #1
Whisp Nov 2012 #2
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #7
Whisp Nov 2012 #9
Hutzpa Nov 2012 #13
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #14
Hutzpa Nov 2012 #21
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #25
billh58 Nov 2012 #27
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #31
ProSense Nov 2012 #34
dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #41
billh58 Nov 2012 #35
Hutzpa Nov 2012 #3
Whisp Nov 2012 #10
Jersey Devil Nov 2012 #4
rock Nov 2012 #33
libdem4life Nov 2012 #5
ecstatic Nov 2012 #6
billh58 Nov 2012 #8
Spazito Nov 2012 #11
libdem4life Nov 2012 #15
arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #12
NotThisTime Nov 2012 #16
RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #17
phleshdef Nov 2012 #18
JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2012 #19
Capt. Obvious Nov 2012 #20
humanistcafe Nov 2012 #22
billh58 Nov 2012 #23
Spazito Nov 2012 #24
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #40
obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2012 #26
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #28
graham4anything Nov 2012 #29
billh58 Nov 2012 #30
graham4anything Nov 2012 #36
Capt. Obvious Nov 2012 #39
Jennicut Nov 2012 #32
dawg Nov 2012 #37
peace13 Nov 2012 #38
2ndAmForComputers Nov 2012 #42

Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:06 PM

1. She can't put her 2016 campaign together while SoS, y'know

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:08 PM

2. Rice is more than qualified.

 

What tripe-ish nonsense.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:14 PM

7. Rice is qualified

at wording UN resolutions on Libya for one so that actions beyond the intent of the resolution become possible. In doing so she lost the respect and trust of both Russia and China - the two countries with which the many of her dealings would occur as SOS. That's the exact background to why neither will play ball on Syria.

Yes nominating her would be tripe-ish nonsense.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:17 PM

9. I will trust the President's judgement on this.

 

Not some dipsydoodle's judgement, thank you.


have a nice one.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:26 PM

13. Unbelievable

you are using the moronic talking point perpetuated by the right to diminished her character, wtf? How about Gen. Patreaus or the CIA excluding certain words or sentences from their statement which was handed to her, are we forgetting that?

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:33 PM

14. I'm stating the current situation with regard Russia and China

and its specific background. She'd be a liability.

btw - exactly when did the right raise that subject. ?

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:48 PM

21. John McCain and Lindsey Graham

you don't have to look that far to find their comments about Benghazi.

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:54 PM

25. What I stated was totally unassociated with Benghazi.

That event hadn't even occured when both Russia and China vetoed a resolution on Syria July 19th.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:11 PM

27. And we have never been

at odds with Russia and China on Middle East policy in the UN before this? Do you actually believe that statements and positions given by the US Ambassador to the UN are made without consultation with and direction from the Administration?

Do you believe that if President Obama nominates Susan Rice for SOS, that Russia and China will harden their opposition to US Middle East policies?

Like the hard-right Republicans, you are assuming that Susan Rice is a loose canon operating without direction from President Obama and his policy team. I maintain that Susan Rice is more than qualified to become the new SOS, and Russia and China can go suck it.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:32 PM

31. Effectively China and Japan own you.

Not really a good idea to tell China to go suck it on any subject. Piss them off enough and they'd hold a fire sale

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:37 PM

34. Krugman calls that:

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Response to ProSense (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:17 PM

41. Never mind Krugman

Search the subject yourself and see if nothing else what it would do to interest rates and the effect it would have on the US$ of raising enough foreign currency to support the situation.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:43 PM

35. Not really, and

we've been at odds with them over the Middle East, North Korea, Trade, and many other policy issues over the years. They are not about to slit their own throats by holding a "fire sale" or fucking with our economy, so that Republican-speak fear point about China "calling in our debt" is not valid on many levels.

As far as Japan goes, they have their own economic problems, and they "own" no one -- including the USA. They are much more dependent on us than we are on them.

So yes, when it comes to US foreign policy, Russia, China, and Japan(?) can be diplomatically told (in a way that makes them enjoy the experience) to go suck it.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:12 PM

3. Is that it?

Susan Rice is more than qualified to be SOS, let's not kid ourselves with joining the republicans in taking a cheap short at her, please.

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:17 PM

10. what you said.

 

sheeesh.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:12 PM

4. No one person is indispensable

Susan Rice, John Kerry and a host of others could do a good job as Secretary of State. I'm not belittling the fine job done by Hillary, but she doesn't have the entire market cornered on intelligence and common sense.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:36 PM

33. If you have an indispensable person

get rid of her (him). A Deming principle I believe.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:13 PM

5. We/She needs Bill for 2016.

She deserves to move up if she wants to. However, I think there are more Long Knives for Hillary for President than for Bill and Obama combined. That's what worries me.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:14 PM

6. She is far more famous than Rice, but that isn't all it takes

to be SOS. I'm pretty sure Rice has more background knowledge than Clinton.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:16 PM

8. Care to elaborate on

exactly why the idea of Susan Rice replacing Hillary is "unimaginable?" She is more than qualified, and it appears that President Obama can imagine the possibility quite clearly.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:21 PM

11. Susan Rice is eminently qualified to fill the position...

and Hillary would be the first to agree. Susan Rice is highly regarded by the Clintons. She was appointed to various key positions during the Clinton administration.

"Rice served in the Clinton administration in various capacities: at the National Security Council from 1993 to 1997; as Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping from 1993 to 1995; and as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs from 1995 to 1997."

Any attempt to diminish Susan Rice smacks of repub tactics and is despicable, imo.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:37 PM

15. Thanks for the history. Black, female, intelligent and now appropriately experienced. Good choice.

The Clintons are both amazing and how they promoted and qualified many of the "not white male majority" makes me love them even more. And Hillary's total class after the bruising primary battle...worthy of honor.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:24 PM

12. Rubbish! Rice is just as qualified

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:40 PM

16. I'm in favor of Bill if Hillary wants to leave...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:40 PM

17. Feeling better?

I know you got some bad news the past few weeks...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:41 PM

18. She is tired. She deserves to be able to walk away without question.

SOS is the hardest job in government.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:43 PM

19. We could do worse than Rice

... just think of who might have been nominated ...




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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:44 PM

20. Welcome back

Sorry, but Hillary has to get ready for 2016. Can't run if your SOS.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:48 PM

22. I tend to agree ...

While Susan Rice is highly capable, her performance after the Benghazi tragedy was less than stellar and it gives reason for concern. The position requires someone with immense gravitas and impeccable credentials - a John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Chuck Hagel, Diane Feinstein.

While nominating Rice would be sticking it to the scandal mongering Right - and they deserve it stuck to them - it may not be the best thing for the country.

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Response to humanistcafe (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:52 PM

23. So you're promoting

the whole McLame "she lied to us" thing? Thanks so much for your "concern," and please enjoy your stay.

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Response to humanistcafe (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:52 PM

24. What "performance after the Benghazi tragedy" are you referencing?

The only "performance after the Benghazi tragedy" that should be examined is that of the despicable behavior by McCain and Graham, I am sure you would agree.

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Response to humanistcafe (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:08 PM

40. Be prepared to be flamed, you troll!!!!



I agree with you, though, for what it's worth. Rice may be very qualified, but what with Iran being on the brink of having a nuclear weapon, Israel gearing things up, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict in full flame, Syria, Egypt, etc., etc...... it would be best if the SOS is someone with gravitas, a history of working with some of these leaders, and such. Kerry and Biden come to mind, altho I don't think either of those is interested.

Kerry would be able to step into the job fairly easily. He's worked with some of the world leaders on many occasions in the past. He's well known and is an expert in foreign policy.

Nothing against Rice personally. If she is named SOS, I'm sure she'll do a decent job.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:01 PM

26. Hi dkf !

We won. Sorry about that.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:18 PM

28. Susan Rice was the person that worked out the Iran embargo and prevented Palestinians

from declaring a state at the UN and causing all types of strife. Rice is a bright, capable person who will step into the role and perform it well.

Hillary needs to take some time off, exercise and get ready to win the Presidency in 2016.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:22 PM

29. The people who don't want Rice, don't want Hillary to run. It is quite evident who is leading the

 

Rice story.

John McCain

They know Hillary can't run til she quits this job.

Suckers they are. Hillary will be 45. Only reason she did not win the nomination last time was she didn't have Obama's voters.
This time she does.

Obama forever, and what he says so goes the only voters that matter- HIS.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:28 PM

30. Hillary will be 45?

45 what?

On edit: I just looked at your profile, and it all makes sense now. That's 45 "gungeon" years...

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Response to billh58 (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:49 PM

36. Look at my posts. 100% ANTI-GUN posts. Wish people would join me to rid the US of guns.

 

The 45th numbered President
Obama44 (though in reality, one went twice and is given two numbers, but that is the official number. Obama is 44. Hillary is 45.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:57 PM

39. HILLARYIS45.COM

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:35 PM

32. Er, no. Susan Rice will be just fine. There have been many Sec of States over the years.

Some good, a few great and many bad. But Susan Rice can handle the job just fine. And it is an extremely physically demanding job. Hillary deserves a break and it is what she wants. And Bill Clinton does not want to be SOS, believe me. Being a former President is a luxury.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:51 PM

37. There is no one I would rather have as SOS than Susan Rice.

She is a Rhodes scholar with plenty of diplomatic experience. And she is being attacked by the right-wing (and centrists?) for the "sin" of correctly relaying the then-current state of intelligence to the American people regarding the Benghazi incident. There is no substance to the criticism, or at least I have heard nothing I deem to be legitimately faulty with her words or deeds.

She is eminently qualified.

Why do I prefer her over all others? Because they tried to take her down, that's why!

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:54 PM

38. Look Condi did it for years and no one complained!

She can play the piano ya know! Why are you so hard on Susan. I don't think that the President would recommend anyone who couldn't do the job!

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:40 PM

42. "We"

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