Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:55 AM Nov 2012

Wall Street Finds a 'Third Way' to Plunder Our Wealth

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/richard-eskow/46667/wall-street-finds-a-third-way-to-plunder-our-wealth


Wall Street Finds a 'Third Way' to Plunder Our Wealth
by Richard Eskow | November 20, 2012 - 9:58am

Gotta hand it to 'em: Those Wall Street guys are smart. They've already found two ways to plunder the nation's wealth for their own enrichment, and now they're working on a third.

The first way? Identify and finance a wave of Democratic politicians who would join with Republicans in deregulating Wall Street. The second? Employ the same so-called 'centrist' Democrats, along with their Republican cohorts, to bail them out after they crashed the economy. That bailout continues, and the assurance of protection from being prosecuted for their criminal misdeeds.

Now comes Wall Street's "third way" of hijacking the nation's wealth: it's trying to persuade Democratic supporters to support the dismantling of the social contract that has held our society together for 75 years. And it's using many of the same tactics -- and many of the same faces -- it used in its first two forays.

If you liked Wall Street deregulation, an inequitable bank bailout, and a get-out-of-jail-free card for bank executives, you're going to love this.
47 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Wall Street Finds a 'Third Way' to Plunder Our Wealth (Original Post) unhappycamper Nov 2012 OP
kr HiPointDem Nov 2012 #1
A "Third Way" Democrat is nothing but a REPUBLICAN! forestpath Nov 2012 #2
100% agree. The old "Duck" identtification. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #7
third way is the most stupid moniker ever produced, but it does highlight the radicals on the left pasto76 Nov 2012 #9
radicals on the left Doremus Nov 2012 #15
You mean the radicals on the left like me Hydra Nov 2012 #18
Looks like it also highlights whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #24
Huh? forestpath Nov 2012 #33
"Radicals on the left"?! YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #40
Better solution Scalded Nun Nov 2012 #3
yeah one of my favorite topics. airplaneman Nov 2012 #46
Be Ware of disguised RepubliCON think tanks. fasttense Nov 2012 #4
+1000 nt Doremus Nov 2012 #14
Oh I'd bet Jasana Nov 2012 #5
Didn't Obama promise to help us with this one? Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #6
Imagine that... woo me with science Nov 2012 #19
How else are they going to make money? Turbineguy Nov 2012 #8
K&R me b zola Nov 2012 #10
This is why they don't want Elizabeth Warren on the Banking Commitee ... meegbear Nov 2012 #11
You are 100% correct! Rider3 Nov 2012 #17
what do we do? daybranch Nov 2012 #12
The administration is pushing the mother of all free trade agreements- TPP. hay rick Nov 2012 #20
If signing a let's-send-even-more-jobs-to-foreign-countries "free-trade" agreement is going to help, AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #43
Third Way has a lot of Democrats on board. hay rick Nov 2012 #13
What a coincidence, the 'Tea Party' is also a reincarnation without the Iraq war baggage. n/t cprise Nov 2012 #16
Thanks for this... YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #41
I heaven05 Nov 2012 #21
Now that the election is over, can we say that? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #44
The third way is The Wizard Nov 2012 #22
Bipartisanship Vs. Democracy: The Third Way Fallacy AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #32
What a perfectly written summation, AA! FredStembottom Nov 2012 #47
DURec leftstreet Nov 2012 #23
Amazing, what does it take to make the government work Rex Nov 2012 #25
Third way = corporate dreamnightwind Nov 2012 #35
corporate = undemocratic AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #45
They need to be OCCUPIED loudsue Nov 2012 #26
3rd Way/DLC's premise "We are weak, don't hurt us too bad, GOP!" closeupready Nov 2012 #27
But they've got a "D" after their name. OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #28
Evil never sleeps! santamargarita Nov 2012 #29
It is amazing to me Smilo Nov 2012 #30
I think it's funny that we blame the bankers for an unsustainable health care system. dkf Nov 2012 #31
I believe that the blame is with the insurance companies! NT Sadiedog Nov 2012 #36
No, we blame some bankers (among others) when they are greedy bastards, for pursuing profit jtuck004 Nov 2012 #38
Posted about this a week or so ago. Criminal dirtbags. ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #34
K&R Transparent as hell, even here. woo me with science Nov 2012 #37
K&R YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #39
K&R! Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #42

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
9. third way is the most stupid moniker ever produced, but it does highlight the radicals on the left
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:33 AM
Nov 2012

which is nice.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
15. radicals on the left
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:53 AM
Nov 2012

What do you mean "...highlight the radicals on the left"?

Haven't had my coffee yet.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
18. You mean the radicals on the left like me
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:18 AM
Nov 2012

Who think rule of law is a neat idea and should be applied now and then?

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
40. "Radicals on the left"?!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:43 PM
Nov 2012

Umm, this is a progressive site, not a place for Democrats In Name Only.

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
3. Better solution
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:24 AM
Nov 2012

a 3% transaction tax (or surcharge if that sounds nicer) on all Wall Street (stock, inter-bank, etc) activity, with all money going (by law) towards debt reduction and infrastructure.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
46. yeah one of my favorite topics.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:29 PM
Nov 2012

Did you know that a 1% transaction tax on all derivative and stock trades would generate over 3 trillion a year. And on a closely related subject on your 401k did you know that fund managers siphon off 2-4 percent every year so in 20 years you have $100 and the fund manager has $80.00. Lets make the trade transaction tax coupled with government run 401K that does not siphon. They would leave you with $160.00 instead of $100.0 and $20 to the government as tax instead of $80 to the fund manager as profit. I actually think both more revenue and better treatment of the middle class is extremely simple and obvious.
-Airplane

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
4. Be Ware of disguised RepubliCON think tanks.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:30 AM
Nov 2012

The third Way is a fake. It is far, far from centrist and cuddles up to right wing crazies.

Jasana

(490 posts)
5. Oh I'd bet
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:55 AM
Nov 2012

They're looking for a third way... a fourth way... and a fifth, sixth, and seventh way. We must hold our Democratic Reps feet to fire when it comes to reigning these monsters in. K&R

Rider3

(919 posts)
17. You are 100% correct!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:13 AM
Nov 2012

Elizabeth Warren is our ticket to fighting these crooks. They are all afraid of her. I hope they do the right thing and put her on the Banking Committee!

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
12. what do we do?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:50 AM
Nov 2012

Now that progressives have worked so hard to reelect the President to hold back the republican hordes as the best of our two choices what should we do now? He is maintaining his campaign organization as a so called movement builder but its sole purpose apparently is to support his legislative agenda( their words not mine). As a progressive I know clearly what I believe our legislative agenda should be. First at the national level we must simply say no to republicans on austerity measures. Where waste exists we should fight it but we cannot sacrifice the people on the altar of financial interst such as big banks and Wall Street. Second we must forcethe needed capital into our system by whatever means are necessary, Fed action, stimulus spending, changes in tax codes to prevent capital hoarding etc. People need jobs and demand cxreates jobs ,so we must create demand.
The President many times appears to be on another track, a track created by the lies of financiers to further increase and protect their wealth and power. I am very afraid he will allow this country to move to austerity measures that will create unemployment and possibly civil unrest as he seeks to compromise. Compromise and the grand bargain seem to me to be a long term deal with those who have hurt our people and our economy.
I worked very hard for this reelection and now the President is turning to Progressives again to mobilize communities to fufill his legislative agenda? What is that agenda and is it good for the country? Is achievement of the grand bargain just more suffering for our people? Here in Ohiowe are still suffering fromthe free trade agreements and do not want any more such mistakes. Whatshould a progressive do?

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
43. If signing a let's-send-even-more-jobs-to-foreign-countries "free-trade" agreement is going to help,
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:44 PM
Nov 2012

this should really do it.

hay rick

(7,604 posts)
13. Third Way has a lot of Democrats on board.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:52 AM
Nov 2012

Obama's recent chief of staff, Bill Daley and Biden's former chief of staff, Ron Klain- for starters. Post here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021845455

Third Way is DLC reincarnated- without the Iraq war baggage, but completely dominated by Wall Street interests.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
41. Thanks for this...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:44 PM
Nov 2012

What good is it to call yourself a Democrat, when your policies are little different from Republicans?

Unless, of course, you have ulterior motives...

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
21. I
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:39 AM
Nov 2012

am so hoping you are wrong, but if this happens, I won't be surprised. Blame it on these third wayers otherwise known as bluedog traitors to our Party.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
22. The third way is
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:41 AM
Nov 2012

a fifth column. Anyone who doesn't realize that bargaining in good faith with Repubes is a trip down a blind alley hasn't been paying attention or is a Republican interloper.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
32. Bipartisanship Vs. Democracy: The Third Way Fallacy
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:09 PM
Nov 2012

Politicians and journalists in Washington cling to the belief that there's a better way to run government, one that dispenses with the messy process of debate and disagreement. Call it "the Third Way Fallacy."

It suggests that all will be well if we just stop all the partisan "bickering" - "bickering" being a pejorative word for the political discourse that permits voters to distinguish one politician's views from another and vote accordingly. The Third Way approach would replace the quarrelsome democratic process with a system in which powerful people from both parties sit down amicably to "work things out," presumably in quiet - and private - places.

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010125015/bipartisanship-vs-democracy-third-way-fallacy

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
25. Amazing, what does it take to make the government work
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:45 AM
Nov 2012

for the People and not for the Corporations? What do we have to do to get our leaders to stop making promises with war mongering criminals?

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
35. Third way = corporate
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:36 PM
Nov 2012

Third way is the corporate intersection of the two parties. Nothing good comes from there.

We all know the only way to get these people to work for us is for us to pay their campaign money. All of it, not just 50% like we do with Obama. When it's 50% small donors and 50% from a few large corporate sources, after the election the corporations are the ones calling the shots.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
27. 3rd Way/DLC's premise "We are weak, don't hurt us too bad, GOP!"
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:52 AM
Nov 2012

was always a crock of shit, a convenient cover for those who never WERE Democrats.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
28. But they've got a "D" after their name.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:53 AM
Nov 2012

Isn't that the equivalent of a magic amulet to ward off corruption?

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
30. It is amazing to me
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:59 AM
Nov 2012

just how many ignorant people do not understand (or even care for that matter) what is happening to this country.

- how many still believe Obama is a Socialist and coming to get you, so to them the only way to stop that is for the capitalists to win.

- how many are just plain greedy, selfish people who are only concerned with themselves and will not take their heads out of the asses to look at the big picture and really see how Wall St wants to screw this country yet again.

- how many are just moronic idjits who take from the government and then decry the government's attempts to improve life for all. What will they do when their is no safety net?

ELIZABETH WARREN for the Banking Committee!!!

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
31. I think it's funny that we blame the bankers for an unsustainable health care system.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:00 PM
Nov 2012

Why aren't we blaming the medical system that is bleeding us dry?

No country could afford our health system and the ACA didn't do crap to fix costs.

We need to be realistic about what is feasible and keeping the system as is isn't.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
38. No, we blame some bankers (among others) when they are greedy bastards, for pursuing profit
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:36 PM
Nov 2012

at the expense of the well-being of the people of this country. Given the number of people whose lives have been ruined, or the early and tragic deaths that are attributable to them, they are unquestionably a greater threat than any terrorist organization might ever be. And perhaps with less moral fiber than any pedophile. Though that does put them in a better light than I intend, that might suggest how I regard them.

The unsustainable health care system built on American expectations of instant gratification, greed, and profit for others is another matter entirely...

What we need to do is expand the insurance system we put together as a people to insure our people against starvation, homelessness, and medical tragedy, change it in ways to make sustainable, along with the behaviors that help make it unsustainable, as a trusted item under the control of the people. Never as a source of profit to people who add NOTHING to the process, such as people who seek only to profit from the misery of others. And because work is at least as important to a person as food and health, and is part and parcel of a "sustainable" system, that has to be part of the conversation.

Because people want, and this country can provide, "...peace of mind instead of gnawing fear ..."

There is a list of those people...


"Written on it are the names of millions who never had a chance—men at starvation wages, women in sweatshops, children at looms.

Written on it are the names of those who despaired, young men and young women for whom opportunity had become a will-o’-the-wisp.

Written on it are the names of farmers whose acres yielded only bitterness, business men whose books were portents of disaster, home owners who were faced with eviction, frugal citizens whose savings were insecure."
FDR, Here.


For these good people, as well as others, Social Security and Medicare provide the last and only protection against tragedy and death and are, in the hearts of millions of people then and now, part of a "crusade to restore America to its own people”.

It would be an act of cowardice, treason, to hand the last hope people have to greedy bastards for profit, which is a separate issue from the healthcare system that doesn't provide a good enough return on our investment as a country.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Wall Street Finds a 'Thir...