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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:22 AM

1. .

 

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:24 AM

2. I have eaten dog. So I guess turkey is okay for me.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:44 AM

221. That deserves credit. Funny. nt

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:30 AM

3. If you wouldn't beat your dog to death, why swat a mosquito?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:34 AM

18. Because there are different levels of consciousness.

Dogs and Turkeys are way closer to our level than a mosquito. Also, I kill mosquitos because they are harming me.

However, if you would eat a dog, why not a human?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:45 AM

25. too much fat

watching my cholesterol

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:48 AM

27. You could raise lean free range humans.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:54 AM

29. Soylent Green, my friend, is very tasty!!

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:39 AM

51. For today's consumers it would have to be Soylent Brown

they won't eat it if it doesn't look deep fried and tastes like bacon.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:28 PM

169. Hey, *something* has to replace those deep fried Twinkies! n/t

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:34 AM

134. We already have free range humans

We call them "The homeless".

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #134)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:01 PM

203. They are kind of gamey tasting. n/t

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #203)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:40 PM

253. Try barbecue sauce!

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:28 PM

161. Also, the ad says "your dog" and "a turkey". I have less problem eating animals that aren't "my" pet

I cooked a store turkey last night, though our 4 yr old small turkey still lives with our chickens. She has a name and is a pet, so I won't eat her.

The mosquito isn't causing much harm. Can you not afford to give 1 tiny drop of blood to save her life? Oh! The Huge Manatee!

If you consider that there are different levels of consciousness, you may notice dogs and turkeys are not on the same level as humans. That comparison is a silly as my mosquito one.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #161)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:32 PM

162. For that matter, turkeys aren't on the same level as dogs ...

Big difference in brain size there ...

Bake

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:22 PM

167. With some fava beans and a nice Chianti? Sure.

n/t

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:43 PM

192. turkeys are marginally closer than a mosquito...

 

but even so- at what level of consciousness should an organism be considered too self-aware for us to eat...?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:21 PM

261. Dogs do not know they are alive or will die. Correct?

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Response to Logical (Reply #261)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:54 AM

269. Dogs seem to have a pretty good idea of when the end is approaching

I think they are cognizant of their existence.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:23 AM

273. You've never interacted with a live turkey, have you?

 

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #273)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:29 AM

275. Quite frequently.

The wild variety are my neighbors. I'm sure you have a point, but perhaps not the one you think you are making.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #275)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:40 AM

282. Wild ones are not in question

 

And you know that.
The ones raised for food are just slightly above potatoes when it comes to intellect.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #282)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:01 PM

289. I consider my turkey to be beside the potatoe.....

 

and the dressing, and the squash, and the steamed carrots....

Equality for Turkey Now!!!!

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #289)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:04 PM

291. Steamed carrots?

 

Never!

Sure god created all sides equal. But some sides he created more equal than others if you know what I mean.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #282)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:47 PM

301. just so I understand your point here:

wild turkeys have a level of consciousness that places them "not in question" (whatever that means) but their domesticated cousins have somehow dropped down the consciousness scale to the point where they are "slightly above a potato".

Have I represented your argument correctly?

Your claim is that domesticated turkeys have had the consciousness bred out of them?

seriously? That is an astounding claim. As such it required evidence to back it up. Absent that evidence I can only conclude that you are making a claim merely to provide a convenient excuse for consuming domestic turkeys without guilt.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #301)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:52 PM

304. Clearly you don't understand:

 

wild turkeys have a level of consciousness that places them "not in question" (whatever that means)


No, the not in question bit refers to the fact that we aren't talking about wild turkeys. That was a deliberate attempt to change the conversation on your part.

their domesticated cousins have somehow dropped down the consciousness scale to the point where they are "slightly above a potato".


Selective breeding, how does it work? (for instance: are all dog breeds possessed by exactly the same level of intelligence?)


Have I represented your argument correctly?


BWahahahahahahaha!

No. Turkeys were never really aware. Wild ones are a bit smarter than domestic ones. That's all. But they're both still pretty dumb.

Like I said: you've never interacted with a live turkey. Otherwise you wouldn't by trying to claim such things.

seriously? That is an astounding claim. As such it required evidence to back it up. Absent that evidence I can only conclude that you are making a claim merely to provide a convenient excuse for consuming domestic turkeys without guilt.


Without guilt? Ha! Not everyone shares your fetish for eating plant matter.

By the way . . . where do your vegetables come from? A farm by any chance? One that used to be grassland or forest? What do you supposed happened to the poor animals that lived there when it was plowed under to provide you with "guilt free" spinach?

Self awareness: Self-awareness is the capacity for introspection and the ability to reconcile oneself as an individual separate from the environment and other individuals.

So far only humans, some dolphins and apes, and elephants have been shown to be self aware. A few animals are on the border and have conflicting results. Turkeys are nowhere near that.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #304)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:11 PM

307. so your new claim is that only "self awareness" matters and that we need

not concern ourselves with the pain and suffering we inflict on all the other animals that do not exhibit the level of consciousness categorized by self-awareness.

You continue to assert that there is some distinction between wild turkeys and domestic ones, continuing to claim that if one were around caged food-turkeys, one would have a different attitude. I've been around farm turkeys and understand why one would feel like that, but I've also been around chickens raised as pets, and there is a world of difference, but the difference is not in the animals themselves it is in our experience of them.

I agree that all of our food choices have consequences. We should be more aware of those consequences and strive to make ethical choices. It is not amazing to me at all that several people here hostile to vegetarianism post arguments about the horrors of plant consumption, but that is really an old and tired argument. If you are actually interested, the jainists laid out the basics of how one can think about making ethical choices, understanding that we will have to fail to cause no harm, but that we can, as conscious reflective self aware beings, make the best choices available to us. They did this circa 800 bce. Nothing much has changed other than more of us live in post scarcity societies where such choices come with minimal inconvenience.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:41 PM

166. That's a very good question

 

Hmmm..

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Response to biohazard9550 (Reply #166)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:19 PM

214. Welcome to DU!

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:30 AM

4. Actually, they're just presenting an inconvenient truth...

...in a rather original way.

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Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:33 AM

6. Agree nt

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Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:20 AM

14. It's not really a truth

We don't generally eat "helper animals"

Dogs, cats, horses, donkeys, oxen.

Everything else is fair game.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:35 AM

19. All of those are food to some people.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:57 AM

30. "generally speaking"

In Asia, it's common to eat dog, probably less so cats.

Horses, probably another matter altogether.

Western tastes, we don't eat them.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:52 AM

58. The french eat horse a lot.

So do other 'western' cultures.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:02 AM

75. Very few

The grain to meat conversion of horse is worse then cattle.

I said, "generally speaking" a couple times to mean I was saying "there are places that they do eat that, but there are quite a few more that don't then there are that do."

Do you need me to make it simpler then that?

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Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:56 AM

69. Oxen are eaten in the US A LOT

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #69)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:06 AM

77. Again "generally speaking"

I don't see big hunks of oxen at the super market when I go there.

Nor do I see dog meat, horse meat or cat meat.

I had a girlfriend whose grandfather went out and killed squirrels and ate them. Doesn't mean because one person in the United states eats squirrels everyone does. Nor does it mean nobody does.

"generally speaking"

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Response to Confusious (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:45 AM

97. An ox is just a steer trained to be a draft animal. It's called beef at the store.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #97)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 PM

199. Well, oops.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:58 AM

106. What's the matter? Don't like Beef? All oxen are are steers who trained as draft animals...

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #106)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:46 PM

197. Well, generally speaking

I don't.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #197)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:06 PM

292. That's a rather ego-centric opinion-universe, yes?

 

You see the irony, I hope...

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Response to Confusious (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:04 AM

110. The only markets I can think of where there aren't "BIG HUNKS OF OXEN" are in India

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So, unless you shop at "Crazy Mumbai Moe's, the place where your rupee go buys more". They revere the Ox, Cow, whatever you want to call it. Oh yes, my friend, we eat alot of oxen. ALOT!!

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #110)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:56 PM

200. You needed to say that twice?

Now it just seems like you're trying to be an ahole.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:37 AM

116. Yes, you do -- it's called "beef"

And, not only is puppy stew part of a ceremony for some Indian tribes, people are always getting arrested for butchering dogs for food (not talking about Indians).

Many, many fancy restaurants serve oxtail, as well as many Southern aka soul food places. It's cheap and tasty if cooked correctly.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #116)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:58 PM

201. I guess Indians eating dog

Means everyone in America does.

Is that what you're trying to say?

Because obviously, after many posts, and explanations, you can't seem to grasp the idea of "generally speaking"

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Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:43 AM

94. I heard eating dog was a response to post WWII near-starvation

that it was not common prior to then, but serious deprivation after the war lead to it becoming more common.

Accusing Chinese and Koreans of being "dog eaters" is something of an ethnic slur.

Didn't the Hawaiians raise "poi dogs" for food though?

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Response to DBoon (Reply #94)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:51 AM

99. You heard correctly

I think PETA's ad here is clever and has a very valid point, but the idea that there is some vast cultural tradition of eating dog in Asia is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

It was done as a necessity, not as a cultural statement/tradition.

And those pushing the "it's a part of the culture" angle are either stupid or in the business and trying to stir up resentment of "outsiders" for their own ends - kind of like the shithead class in West Virginia does the same to oppress the fuck out of the people.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:19 AM

126. I lived in China and Taiwan for a while.

Dog was rare in most places outside of southern China. In the southern provinces, dog was prevalent, as was cat, snake, what have you.

But this was 25 years ago. I don't know how much it's changed.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:53 AM

283. Cat's in the Kettle notwithstanding...?

Cat is on the menu in China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat#Consumption_of_cat_meat

Dog too--though it is becoming less popular these days. They tried to outlaw it and couldn't get consensus... http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/mychinastory/2012-02/02/content_14525279.htm

Horse in on the menu in Europe. I used to live right near a horsemeat store ... I never could get used to the smiling cartoon horse on the sign advertising the place!

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Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:01 AM

31. What "WE" are you talking about?

DUers? Americans? Humans?

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Response to demwing (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:46 AM

53. I thought it was pretty clear

I guess not. Humans.

"generally speaking" humans don't eat "Helper animals"

Westerners don't, generally speaking.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #53)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:53 AM

59. we don't eat "pets" for some value of "pet".

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:34 PM

163. exactly. eom

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #59)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:08 PM

293. And pet doesn't have a universal definition

 

to many a dog is a pet (in the US certainly).

Ergo we won't eat dog.
To very few is a turkey a pet.

Ergo we will eat turkey.

I doubt most kids if they had a pet pig would eat that pig. Or chicken or goat or . . .

All PETA has proven is that people don't want to eat their pets. Not that people don't want to eat meat or feel bad about killing animals in general.

Which is both true and pointless.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:55 AM

67. I can find oxtails in any grocery store in my town

Including "fancy" ones. People also eat horses, and dogs. And guinea pigs, which are pets to many folks.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #67)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:08 AM

79. "generally speaking"

Meaning: Quite a few more people don't then do.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #79)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:39 AM

118. Lots of people eat beef

What do you think an ox is? It's a steer.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #79)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:46 PM

251. Generally speaking.... YUM!


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Response to Turborama (Reply #251)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:52 PM

258. Speaking for myself

Grose.

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Response to Turborama (Reply #251)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:37 AM

280. PLEASE let me know if anyone knows of a good US supplier of this.

It's delicious but very hard to find here.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #280)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:39 PM

286. Here you go

I have been looking for Marmite recently and found this online shop. They've got a nice sounding Baxters one, too:

http://www.britstore.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=oxtail&osCsid=u9nbv18nimtkaknq4j3notiri1&x=16&y=10

http://www.britsuperstore.com/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?SS=oxtail&PR=-1&TB=A&SHOP=

BTW the strangest thing just happened. I typed a search into my blackberry and instead of searching it created a site out of the search terms and a site actually appeared. Check it out and let me know if a random site comes up for you, too: http://heinz.oxtail.soup.in.the.us/

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Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:21 AM

127. Some cultures eat "helper animals"

Don't be so insular: there are other cultures with norms you don't know about: The French eat horse meat, some Asian cultures eat dogs and cats. Chicken is unappetizing in some cultures and dairy byproducts are regarded as disgusting by others.



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Response to dynasaw (Reply #127)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:50 PM

198. I said "generally speaking"

I am fully aware that other cultures do.

That's why I said "generally speaking" and Specified western cultures.

If you had bothered to read and hadn't rushed to get on your high horse, you would have known that.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:07 PM

204. How are cats "helper" animals?

 

Dogs, horses, oxen and donkeys, yeah. But cats? I have five of them and the next helpful thing they do will be the first. They're cute but do no work at all.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #204)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:17 PM

206. Well, yea

They used to get the rats that infested the food stores.

Since modern sanitation, they really don't have to do that anymore.

They're just resting on their laurels these days.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #204)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:12 AM

233. They help me judge other people.

I don't trust people who make my cats nervous.

They also DO work as alarm system, if you're talking utilitarian. They get really nervous and growl when someone is approaching the house.

They also provide comfort.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:04 AM

223. As long as you limit 'we' to Americans. All those animal you listed are regular menu items all

 

over the world. Pretty narrow view from someone that calls himself Confusious.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #223)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:17 AM

235. For the 1,323th time

I said "generally speaking"

Generally speaking: "there are places that they do eat that, but there are quite a few more that don't then there are that do."

J.H.F.C. I wish people would read, but they gotta rush to be the first on that Fing High Fing Horse.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #235)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:44 AM

238. And being wrong 1,323 times still doesn't make you right. n/t

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #238)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:51 PM

257. So you are a cuisine expert?

Last edited Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:24 PM - Edit history (1)

So please, enlighten me about how more people around the world eat horse then don't, seeing as horse is a very poor converter of grain to meat.

Please tell me about all the places that eat dog, seeing as the Christian, Judaism, Muslim and Buddhist religions say that dog is a "repulsive" meat.

I really haven't looked into cat meat. Maybe you can prove me wrong there.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:02 PM

290. Depends on culture/location/circumstances.

 

Guinea Pig is delicious.... and widely eaten in South America.

But tell a U.S. pet store that you're shopping for dinner and watch the hilarity ensue....

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Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:44 AM

23. That we should eat dog?

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Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

63. Exactly

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Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:12 AM

80. Nothing original about an appeal to emotion

Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument. The appeal to emotion fallacy uses emotions as the basis of an argument's position without factual evidence that logically supports the major ideas endorsed by the elicitor of the argument. Also, this kind of thinking may be evident in one who lets emotions and/or other subjective considerations influence one's reasoning process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion


Emphasis mine.

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Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:41 AM

92. not really, it's unpractical to eat dog..

First of all what breed would give you great hunks of breast meat? We would have to farm raise pugs or bulldogs or something and fatten them up. You get too big of a breed and there wouldn't be room in the store to sell them.

Then issue with the size of your oven to the size of your fryer. A whole new industry would have to be built around 100 quart fryers just to get all the meat in...



Not practical at all----

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #92)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:32 AM

132. Even people who eat dog don't eat the family pet

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #132)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:04 PM

154. I didn't say they did, I said they would have to be farm raised-

Just look at the numbers----


In 2011, more than 248 million turkeys were expected to be raised with an average liveweight per bird of 28 pounds with nearly 6 billion pounds of turkey processed. By contrast, in 1970, only 105 million birds were raised with an average liveweight of 17 pounds and 1.5 billion pounds processed. The turkeys produced in 2010 together weighed 7.11 billion pounds and were valued at $4.37 billion.


Read more: Turkey Trivia — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/tgturkeyfacts.html#ixzz2CsidUNg0
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, more than 45 million turkeys are cooked and eaten in the U.S. at Thanksgiving—that's one sixth of all turkeys sold in the U.S. each year. American per capita consumption of turkeys has soared from 8.3 pounds in 1975 to 18.5 pounds in 1997. Ten years later, the number dropped in 2007 to 13.8 pounds.


Read more: Turkey Trivia — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/tgturkeyfacts.html#ixzz2CsiVzd3G

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #154)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:58 PM

187. I'm just adding to what you wrote

I agree the idea of dog ranchers doesn't seem like a good one.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #92)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:58 PM

210. The Aztecs did exactly that

:lol:

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #92)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:13 AM

216. Lamb is bigger than dog and people eat lamb all the time.

The size isn't the biggest problem.

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Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:11 AM

112. Well said!

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Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:12 AM

113. No they're not. Lots of people eat dog.

I eat meat and have nothing against that. I've never tried it (I don't even know where I'd find it around here) but I have no objection.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:32 AM

5. Well, at least this one avoided Holocaust comparisons. nt

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:40 AM

7. No

label needed here, even I can tell this turkey is a
genetically modified organism.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:48 AM

8. PETA reminds me of the NRA

Both have taken worthwhile issues and thoroughly marginalized them through nutbaggery.

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Response to Azathoth (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:56 AM

71. Congress knows the diff between PeTA and NRA.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:44 AM

95. You can publicly oppose PETA and still get re-elected

nt

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Response to DBoon (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:53 AM

101. Too true

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Response to DBoon (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:28 PM

189. True, but that just means PETA isn't doing it as well n/t

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Response to DBoon (Reply #95)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:34 AM

270. Because PeTA is largely discredited and politically insignificant.

The NRA may be hated by many and discredited by others. But they are politically powerful.

I rank them with the constellation of LGBT organizations.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:27 PM

188. Moral: political lobbying is more effective than bizarre ads featuring naked women

Counterintuitive, but apparently true

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Response to Azathoth (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:39 PM

190. PETA is taking the best approach available.

I assume that PETA's "nutbaggery" means not confining themselves to somber, dignified arguments that Serious People could respect.

If PETA did that, animal issues would get even less attention and less action than they actually do.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #190)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:22 PM

207. Attention's one thing. Where have they had results? n/t

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #207)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:55 PM

209. Yes, PETA gets results.

Attention by itself is valuable. Beyond that, though, I'm happy to provide you with an account of some of PETA's accomplishments. This is from the Wikipedia article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals and the list of authors can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals&action=history (the article history page). I license this post under the CC-by-SA license. (Crediting the source and the authors and licensing the content means this use of Wikipedia content is permitted without regard to paragraph limitations.)

Founded in March 1980 by (Ingrid) Newkirk and fellow animal rights activist Alex Pacheco, the organization first caught the public's attention in the summer of 1981 during what became known as the Silver Spring monkeys case, a widely publicized dispute about experiments conducted on 17 macaque monkeys inside the Institute of Behavioral Research in Silver Spring, Maryland. The case lasted ten years, involved the only police raid on an animal laboratory in the United States, triggered an amendment in 1985 to that country's Animal Welfare Act, and established PETA as an internationally known organization.

. . . .

McDonald's and Wendy's introduced vegetarian options after PETA targeted them; Petco stopped selling some exotic pets; and Polo Ralph Lauren said it would no longer use fur. Avon, Estee Lauder, Benetton, and Tonka Toy Co. all stopped testing products on animals, the Pentagon stopped shooting pigs and goats in wounds tests, and a slaughterhouse in Texas was closed down.

. . . .

PETA has also objected to the practice of mulesing (removing strips of wool-bearing skin from around the buttocks of a sheep). In October 2004, PETA launched a boycott against the Australian wool industry, leading some clothing retailers to ban products using Australian wool from their stores. In response, the Australian wool industry sued PETA, claiming among other things that mulesing prevents flystrike, a very painful disease that can affect sheep. A settlement was reached, and PETA agreed to stop the boycott, while the wool industry agreed to seek alternatives to mulesing.

. . . .

PETA has promoted legal initiatives to enforce existing euthanasia laws. In 1990, Georgia's "Humane Euthanasia Act" became one of the first laws in the nation to mandate intravenous injection of sodium pentobarbital as the prescribed method for euthanizing cats and dogs in Georgia animal shelters. Prior to that time, gas chambers and other means were commonly employed. Georgia Agriculture Commissioner Tommy Irvin was tasked with licensing the shelters and enforcing the new law, through the Department's Animal Protection Division. However, Commissioner Irvin failed to abide by the terms of the law, and instead continued to license gas chambers. PETA contacted the author of the original legislation, and in March 2007, the Georgia Department of Agriculture and Commissioner Irvin were sued by former State Representative Chesley V. Morton. The Fulton County Superior Court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, validating the terms of the Humane Euthanasia Act, with an injunction prohibiting the Department from issuing licenses to shelters using gas chambers in violation of the Act.

. . . .

Notable cases (of undercover work) include the 26-minute film PETA produced in 1984, Unnecessary Fuss, based on 60 hours of researchers' footage obtained by the ALF during a raid on the University of Pennsylvania's head injury clinic. The footage showed researchers laughing at baboons as they inflicted brain damage on them with a hydraulic device intended to simulate whiplash. Laboratory animal veterinarian Larry Carbone writes that the researchers openly discussed how one baboon was awake before the head injury, despite protocols being in place for anesthesia. The ensuing publicity led to the suspension of funds from the university, the firing of its chief veterinarian, the closure of the lab, and a period of probation for the university.

. . . .

In 1990, Bobby Berosini, a Las Vegas entertainer, lost his wildlife license, as well as (on appeal) a later lawsuit against PETA, after the group broadcast an undercover film of him slapping and punching orangutans in 1989.

. . . .

In 1999, a North Carolina grand jury handed down indictments against pig-farm workers on Belcross Farm in Camden County, the first indictments for animal cruelty on a factory farm in the United States, after a three-month PETA investigation produced film of the workers beating the animals. In 2004, PETA published the results of an eight-month undercover investigation in a West Virginia Pilgrim's Pride slaughterhouse that supplies chickens to KFC. The New York Times reported the investigation as showing workers stomping on live chickens, throwing dozens against a wall, tearing the head off a chicken to write graffiti, strangling one with a latex glove, and squeezing birds until they exploded. Yum Brands, owner of KFC, called the video appalling, and threatened to stop purchasing from Pilgrim's Pride if no changes were made; Pilgrim's Pride fired 11 employees, and introduced an anti-cruelty pledge for workers to sign.

In 2004 and 2005, PETA shot footage inside Covance, an animal-testing company in the United States and Europe, that appeared to show monkeys being mistreated in the company's facility in Vienna, Virginia. According to The Washington Post, PETA said an employee of the group filmed primates there being choked, hit, and denied medical attention when badly injured. After PETA sent the video and a 253-page complaint to the United States Department of Agriculture, Covance was fined $8,720 for 16 citations, three of which involved lab monkeys; the other citations involved administrative issues and equipment. The company said none of the issues were pervasive or endemic, and that they had taken corrective action. In 2005 Covance initiated a lawsuit charging PETA with fraud, violation of employee contract, and conspiracy to harm the company's business, but did not proceed with it.

PETA also goes undercover into circuses. In 2006, they filmed trainers at Carson & Barnes Circus—including Tim Frisco, the animal-care director—striking elephants while shouting at them; The Washington Post writes that the video shows Frisco shouting "Make 'em scream!". A company spokesman dismissed PETA's concerns as "Utopian philosophical ideology", but said the circus would no longer use electric prods.


I've deleted the footnotes. If you go to the Wikipedia article you can find backup references for these statements.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #209)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:22 PM

262. macaque monkeys

the etymological root of the macaca insult that seems to have ended George Allen's political career.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:52 AM

9. Can your high IQ explain what is false about the analogy?

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:13 AM

13. I agree there really is nothing wrong with the analogy! NT

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:40 AM

119. Yup

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:11 AM

224. Not surprising that you have received no response. For a supposedly liberal message board,

 

there are an awful lot of narrow-minded and very sensitive conservatives here.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:30 AM

276. 'your dog' vs 'a turkey'

 

Not an equivalent comparison.

It should be a dog raised for food with no emotional attachment. And even then its merely addressing cultural values rather than universal morality.

/you wouldn't chop down a thousand year old redwood, why would you live in a house made of wood?

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:58 AM

10. Not seeing your point

And I'm fairly certain my IQ is not an obstacle here.

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Response to tkmorris (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:53 AM

16. Self satisfaction in unfounded feeling of superiority?

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:08 AM

11. Huh. Actually, I kinda doubt that there are many vegans in Freeperville.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:11 AM

12. Let 'em have their tofu turkey and crestnuts...

 

I'm going to devour a big hunk of turkey breast covered in gravy.

And feed my cat a special can of wet food made with another kind of ground up animal.

Ah, it's nice to be at the top of the food chain.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:48 AM

98. +10000000000

 

Went out a few weeks ago and shot a 23-26 lb. turkey, wife is going to cook it tomorrow and we're going to enjoy it. Nothing like a hot turkeiy leg, mashed potatos, yams, dressing and hot rolls w/butter.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:02 AM

247. ozzy fudd the wabbit slayer


















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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:17 AM

17. And maybe higher than some here at DU

 

I would unrec this thread if I could...

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:03 AM

33. Just use the trash button

better than unrec

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:39 AM

20. Much smarter than freepers

All the words are spelled correctly.

my answer: Because I know I enjoy a properly roasted turkey. One does not want to mess around with a holiday dinner, go with what you know.

(what I will not do is feed my dog some turkey, it tends to give her the runs, which detracts from the whole holiday atmosphere)

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:40 AM

21. They are smart

They get tons of panties wadded up and have their ads re posted for free all over the internet.
I lol at their ability to troll the moranic...

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:14 AM

225. So true, and even telling them doesn't stop them. n/t

 

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:47 AM

246. They love being dramatic and publishing stupid things. Seems dumb to me. I know of no one who....

respects them. Most people laugh about them. So I think it might be backfiring.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:43 AM

22. I really don't care if somebody elae refuses to eat meat, but they piss me off when they do all

 

They can to keep me from eating meat.

They can take my pork chop when they pry it from my cold dead hand.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:44 AM

24. They've done nothing to stop you

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:47 AM

26. Their goal is to stop all meat production

 

They are whacked out fringe and deserve nothing but scorn

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:49 AM

28. lol See #21

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:51 AM

55. Their goal is to persuade people to rethink what they eat and what their

relationships are with the other animals on this planet. I'd say this ad was quite effective, it has even managed to reach you and force you to think about your relationship to animals.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:27 AM

85. Maybe they should protest the wild animal shows

They made me realize everything is food, in one way or another.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:56 AM

104. So well said

I wish DU could cut the "being stupid for being stupid's sake" stuff.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:58 AM

105. It sure hasn't forced me to rethink my relationship

 

with animals, I hunt and eat deer, rabbit, game birds and I have no qualms about it, I also have 2 dogs, 3 cats, birds and fish as pets.
This peta ad is just their way getting publicity and I could care less about it.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:15 AM

125. All this ad did for me was to convince me to go out and buy the biggest, fattest, freshly killed

 

Turkey I can find.

mmmmm mmmmmm mm

Yummy.

For Black Friday I'll have a big juicy bloody very rare steak, then ham on Saturday.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #125)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:01 PM

152. I did not say it changed your mind. It forced you to "re-think".

That re-thinking brought forward into your consciousness that which is generally not present. For the most part you and most people do not think at all about what they eat and the ethics of what they eat. Now you have had to think about it, and you are proudly displaying your disdain for the ethics of your food choices.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #152)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:43 PM

196. It did nothing of the kind.

 

It made me hungry for some juicy fresh meat.

Yum yum.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #152)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:16 AM

226. Re-think implies an original thought.

 

I think it is safe to assume that that doesn't apply in this case.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #125)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:40 PM

165. LOL!

I'm going to teach PETA a lesson by harming my body. Take that PETA!

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #125)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:49 PM

195. So you're basically like

the Limbaugh fans that cut down trees and run all their lights at once to "protest" environmentalists?

That's good, everyone should have a hobby.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:39 AM

137. I imagine the corollary is true, also

"hey are whacked out fringe and deserve nothing but scorn..."

I imagine the corollary is true, also-- the individual who mocks vegans by telling everyone how delicious he find his meat, and his evening plans for his meat deserves nothing but scorn... unless of course we're simply holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves.

"Their goal is to stop all meat production..."

I have no doubt you may even believe that to be the case.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:05 AM

36. No one want to touch your "come dead hand"

that's disgusting

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Response to demwing (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

65. The hazards of posting from a phone

 

Damned Android autocorrect.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #65)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:40 AM

91. thanks for not getting sweaty, I was just ribbing ya



BTW, your sig line? +100%

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

62. Bullshit. All they're doing is expressing their beliefs.


Call me when PETA puts a gun to your head and I might take your post seriously.

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #62)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:55 AM

68. PETA attempts to change the laws to cram their beliefs down everybody's throats

 

In that respect, they are exactly like the religious right.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #68)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:37 AM

136. ASPCA Good PeTA Bad

 

This is why I donate to no kill shelters and to the ASPCA. The ASPCA does more good than PeTA ever will. The ASPCA does have some police powers to arrest.

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Response to william cail (Reply #136)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:53 PM

151. The ASPCA is great. I try to donate to them as much as possiible.

 

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:02 AM

32. I agree with them, meat is meat. Dog, cow , cat, chicken

if you're going to eat meat and I do, why the discrimination. Why the hypocritical belief that eating turkey is ok but eating dog isn't?

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:08 AM

40. Dogs are cute

they have eyebrows.

How can you eat something that originated the term "puppy dog eyes" ???

Turkeys are nasty beasts. Don't ugly things deserve to be killed and eaten?

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:42 AM

93. If society every completely broke down

 

I'd eat whatever meat I could find. Species be damned.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:03 AM

34. Meh, turkey pretty much sucks anyway

 

Never was a big fan of turkey. Give me ham instead any day. But dog? No thank you, and its not because I'm a dog lover either. I can't stand most dogs. I sure as hell wouldn't want to eat the disgusting things.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:05 AM

37. Always easy to say with a full stomach

Once you get hungry enough you will eat

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:10 AM

43. Still even then, I'd chomp down on some squirrels before I even considered eating a filthy dog

 

I'd have them down on the bottom of the list of possibilities near rats and shit like that.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:37 AM

50. Your attitude about dogs tells me all I need to know.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:44 AM

52. oh well

 

you dog lovers seem to have a hard time understanding that there are those in the world who do not like dogs. I'm a cat person, and dogs pretty much disgust me.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #52)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:50 AM

54. Yes, I'm a dog person but I don't go around saying I hate cats.

None of the people I know that have cats say they hate dogs and call them filthy, etc. as you do.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #54)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:52 AM

56. well, I have had bad experiences with dogs

 

including being attacked, hence why I speak with some heat about this, so let's leave it at that.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #56)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

61. I've been bitten by cats and dogs.

The worst was the cat bite that got majorly infected.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #61)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:56 AM

70. have you ever been physically attacked by a large dog?

 

where they are acting crazy aggressive, try that, then compare it to a cat bite.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #70)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:01 AM

74. More than once

I've also been bitten by a rattlesnake, charged by a bull-which is way bigger than any dog, kicked by a horse, and chomped on by various critters.
If I started freaking out over everything that jumped me one way or another I'd probably need major therapy.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:08 AM

78. Squirrel is great! Fried, stewed, pot pie -- good stuff.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:11 AM

44. you'd be surprised at what you'll eat when you get hungry enough.

My mother told me stories of the winter of 44-45 in Vienna. The basic food ration was 2 kilos of potatoes per person per week. You were lucky if you got half that. Along with getting bombed 24/7.
There was no coal for heating since all coal went to the war effort, so civilians had to find whatever they could to burn during the coldest winter in 50 years. She told me about crawling through bombed out buildings getting scrap lumber to burn, meanwhile hoping the rest of the building didn't collapse on you.
If there was meat in the beans, it was rat. As a kid I saw her nail a rat at 10 feet with a wooden soled sandal-she obviously had practice.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:34 PM

250. sure, but that is not our situation.

Absent scarcity and starvation we can make ethical choices about what we eat.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #250)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:17 PM

294. What "ethics"?

 

If it's O.K. to eat it in severe conditions, why is it not O.K. to eat it during mild conditions?

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:04 AM

35. What is stupid about this?

What is wrong with asking people to at least consider the point being made?

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:05 AM

38. PETA has to be outrageous because that's the only way they get attention.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:07 AM

39. What's wrong with that message? I don't get your point.

That's what PETA is about. Animal rights.

It's good for someone to ask a question, get you thinking.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:09 AM

41. I'm allergic to dogs, but not to turkey. So that bird is going down.



I'm also not allergic to stuffing, unless it has almonds in it.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:58 AM

72. YUM! n/t

 

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:02 AM

109. My mouth is watering for Turkey. nt.

 

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:18 PM

295. Oh, you rotten bastidge....

 

Now I need a sandwich...

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:10 AM

42. Maybe you are feeling guilty?

 

Somewhere deep inside you know cultivating mistreated animals to eat them is wrong. Maybe PETA is touching your conscience in some way and you don't want to be reminded about how bad you really feel inside.

I feel as bad for you as for the innocent baby animals that you eat without regard to their lives that, however brief, contain more suffering than you will know in all your years.

Eat to Live, Don't Live to Eat

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:15 AM

45. well, a PETA spokesman has arrived

 

"I feel as bad for you as for the innocent baby animals that you eat without regard to their lives that, however brief, contain more suffering than you will know in all your years."

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Response to quinnox (Reply #45)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

66. best to dismiss that with an eye roll smilie than to look behind the curtain.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #66)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:21 AM

81. didn't realize you were a PETA fan

 

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Response to quinnox (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:12 PM

155. I didn't realize your total lack of empathy for non human creatures.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #45)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:00 AM

73. That poster is 100% right -- poultry ranching is horrific

How anyone can eat meat -- or eggs -- that come from such facilities is beyond me. Want a turkey? Raise one and kill it, or get it from somewhere where you know they are raised like living, feeling creatures, and not tortured and abused their whole lives. Because it is a FACT that that is how factory farming treats the livestock.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:22 AM

82. another PETA fan, eh?

 

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Response to quinnox (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:26 AM

84. Count me in too please.

I eat meat and I agree with the poster. PETA has done much more good for animals even if I don't agree with everything they do or even agree with their most basic of premises.

I salute them for that.

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Response to aandegoons (Reply #84)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:35 AM

86. you guys are coming out of the woodwork, eh

 

Well, I think PETA are batshit crazy in their tactics an extreme ideology. HUMANS AND ANIMALS ARE NOT THE FUCKING SAME.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:39 AM

88. True they are not humans.

Like I said I do not agree with the most basic of their ideals but that is no reason not to respect them for those things they accomplish.

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Response to aandegoons (Reply #88)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:45 AM

96. you are really being mealy-mouthed

 

about PETA, I find that very annoying.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:47 AM

121. Humans have a moral and ethical duty bto be stewards of animals

And, there are also laws stating such, although they need to be much better.

If a human has a soul, then a turkey or a pig or a steer certainly does.

It is hubris to think anything else.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #121)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:33 AM

241. "If a human has a soul, then a turkey or a pig or a steer certainly does"

I wonder when DU TOS will require posting from a secular, rationalist POV?

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Response to quinnox (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:13 PM

156. so by extension you are stating that all of us are "batshit crazy" too.

you have a nice day now.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #86)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:30 AM

234. +10000 big difference NT

 

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Response to aandegoons (Reply #84)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:45 AM

120. Thanks

I'm a vegetarian now, but ate only organic meat the last couple years I still ate meat, because of how livestock are treated. I can't quite do the vegan thing, although I wish I could, but I do know where all my dairy products are sourced. It's not perfect, but I try.

My parents are meat eaters, and get all their meat now from local sources. It's not all organic, but the animals are at least humanely raised and killed. Again, not perfect, and neither is PETA, but their undercover videos have really helped change attitudes and laws.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:59 AM

108. Thoughtful response

except, totally not.

Do better than this.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:25 AM

115. Because every person pro humane livestock ranching is "fringe"

And a "fanatic."



How do you feel about puppy mills? They are generally MORE "humane" than factory farming of livestock, although the poor animals there suffer for a longer time.



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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:58 AM

107. This is spot on

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #107)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:10 AM

111. PETA fan #4

 

You stood up and were counted!

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Response to quinnox (Reply #111)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:29 PM

147. Why does it surprise you to find PETA fans here?

Are you even reading the posts? Are you OK with the way most animals that are eaten by humans are treated for their short, horrid lives? Not to mention the damage to the environment. Maybe you could try to be a little more open-minded, learn something and show some respect to the opinion of others here.

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #147)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:22 PM

159. Thank you, Beaverhausen

I don't agree with everything PETA does - I *do* think a lot of what they do is important.

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:54 AM

103. Nope, pretty sure I just think PETA's full of idiots

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:34 AM

278. Most theists assume a negative reaction to their crazy proclamations

 

is proof that others agree with them but aren't prepared to admit it yet.

'Believe in my God or burn!'

You're annoying, go away.

'Aha, why would you reject my message unless you knew it to be true!'

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:26 AM

46. When will

Peta get it through its thick head that not all of us omnivores can survive as vegans? Tried it once... lost too much weight. I eat white meat (chicken and turkey) and very little red meat. Grew up on a fishing boat so fish is no go. Can't get rid the smell in my head. Ugh.

Their constant calls to go Vegan only turn me off. Now... if they could tell more responsible ways to eat white meat, I might take a listen... if they didn't do it in a sexist way. That pisses me off even more.

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Response to Jasana (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:15 PM

211. Welcome to DU!

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:30 AM

47. I would give PETA more of a break IF

Something close to 90% of pets that enter their shelters weren't euthanized, and if they didn't believe that my dog was better off DEAD than being loved and spoiled by my husband and I because they believe that pets should not exist. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/

I used to have respect for PETA, even though I disagreed with them on some items, but now no more.

If it were necessary for all of humanity to go Vegan to keep dogs, horses, and cats from EVER being tortured, eaten, or made to live in some miserable way, I'd go for it in a heartbeat if that's what it took, and I love my burgers. That seems to be what it would take for a lot of people to not see a false equivalency with our companion animals and a turkey, and if that's the case, so be it, pass the tofurky laws tomorrow and I'll comply.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:30 AM

217. You've been fed a pack of lies.

PETA is not and never has been an animal adoption agency. They do not operate animal shelters for adoption.

The reason that 90% of pets that end up with PETA are euthanized is because they are not an adoption agency. What they do is help some local groups when those local agencies can't afford humane euthanizations. The high euthanization rate is simply due to to the fact that PETA does not run adoption centers; they offer humane euthanization services to local agencies who might otherwise shoot or drown unwanted animals.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:40 AM

243. PETA perverts "pro life".

Can't PETA sponsor nature sanctuaries instead of being thought police to justify euthanasia? If peta is so concerned about animals' feelings why don't they defend prey from predators?

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:35 AM

49. Here we go again...

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:52 AM

57. Can you help us low-IQ people with how this analogy


is not totally apt?

BTW, I am a meat eater - the only reasons that I have to not eat dogs, so I presume, are culturally constructed and have more to do with peer pressure and societal norming than with genuine, fact-based reasons.

To be hones, you OP baffles me.

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #57)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:59 AM

138. It's my gut feeling that...

...these kinds of posts tend to be based more on a hatred of PETA than a love of puppy dogs.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:53 AM

60. I don't see anything wrong with what PETA said

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

64. Break with traditon.

Eat sea kittens.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:04 AM

76. I love PETA!

People Eating Tasty Animals!

OHYEAH!

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:22 AM

83. A dog is a filthy animal, but at least it's got personality

 

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:37 AM

87. Agriculture does huge damage to animals and ecosystems...

Certainly, big ag does. But even "enviornmentally sensitive" ag does its share, eliminating whole eco-systems, and distortiing the number of species toward those animals which love fields of dense, easily had grains, fruits and veggies. That's the problem with PeTA's conscious-pricking, holier-than-thou aporoach: They falsely cleanse the souls of vegetarians.

We can only reduce the damage. I hunt deer, dove, squirrel, and yes, turkey. This reduces my reliance on meat-under-cellophane.

Tastes in meat? Most of that is culturally-determined around the emotion of sentiment (something PeTA is very reliant on).

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:40 AM

89. No - PETA is much cleverer than FR by leaps and bounds

I don't completely agree with their message but I admire the creativity in their campaigns.

I will still enjoy my turkey dinner, and my dog will get some of the scraps. She has no qualms about consuming animal flesh and prefers to do so in the company of her humans.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:40 AM

90. Long ago, I got banned from PETA after remarking

that their new slogan should be:

"Eat P***y, Not Meat"



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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #90)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:20 AM

114. Yeah

 

That'll pretty much get you banned.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #114)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:59 AM

139. And rightly so!

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Response to Sadiedog (Reply #139)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:23 PM

296. I disagree....

 

P***y is a renewable resource, low-calorie (probably burns more in the eating than you gain), and can be re-eaten again and again! In fact, if you do it right, it demands a return engagement....

The perfect food!

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