HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Once again PETA shows the...

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:22 AM

Once again PETA shows they have the same IQ as all of Free Republic...



310 replies, 17905 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 310 replies Author Time Post
Reply Once again PETA shows they have the same IQ as all of Free Republic... (Original post)
Archae Nov 2012 OP
LineReply .
former-republican Nov 2012 #1
jmowreader Nov 2012 #2
Flabbergasted Nov 2012 #221
uppityperson Nov 2012 #3
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #18
WooWooWoo Nov 2012 #25
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #27
madinmaryland Nov 2012 #29
hack89 Nov 2012 #51
LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #169
AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #134
Gore1FL Nov 2012 #203
AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #253
uppityperson Nov 2012 #161
Bake Nov 2012 #162
TalkingDog Nov 2012 #167
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #192
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #249
Logical Nov 2012 #261
Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #269
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #273
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #275
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #282
PavePusher Nov 2012 #289
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #291
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #301
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #304
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #307
biohazard9550 Nov 2012 #166
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #214
polichick Nov 2012 #4
Raine Nov 2012 #6
Confusious Nov 2012 #14
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #19
Confusious Nov 2012 #30
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #58
Confusious Nov 2012 #75
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #69
Confusious Nov 2012 #77
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #97
Confusious Nov 2012 #199
Ecumenist Nov 2012 #106
Confusious Nov 2012 #197
PavePusher Nov 2012 #292
Ecumenist Nov 2012 #110
Confusious Nov 2012 #200
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #116
Confusious Nov 2012 #201
DBoon Nov 2012 #94
jsmirman Nov 2012 #99
geardaddy Nov 2012 #126
MADem Nov 2012 #283
demwing Nov 2012 #31
Confusious Nov 2012 #53
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #59
uppityperson Nov 2012 #163
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #293
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #67
Confusious Nov 2012 #79
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #118
Turborama Nov 2012 #251
Confusious Nov 2012 #258
Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #280
Turborama Nov 2012 #286
dynasaw Nov 2012 #127
Confusious Nov 2012 #198
MrSlayer Nov 2012 #204
Confusious Nov 2012 #206
Hissyspit Nov 2012 #233
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #223
Confusious Nov 2012 #235
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #238
Confusious Nov 2012 #257
PavePusher Nov 2012 #290
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #23
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #63
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #80
snooper2 Nov 2012 #92
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #132
snooper2 Nov 2012 #154
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #187
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #210
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #216
Doremus Nov 2012 #112
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #113
Union Scribe Nov 2012 #5
littlemissmartypants Nov 2012 #7
Lefta Dissenter Nov 2012 #48
Azathoth Nov 2012 #8
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #71
DBoon Nov 2012 #95
jsmirman Nov 2012 #101
Azathoth Nov 2012 #189
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #270
Azathoth Nov 2012 #188
Jim Lane Nov 2012 #190
customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #207
Jim Lane Nov 2012 #209
arely staircase Nov 2012 #262
redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #9
Sadiedog Nov 2012 #13
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #119
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #224
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #276
tkmorris Nov 2012 #10
JackRiddler Nov 2012 #16
Zorra Nov 2012 #11
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #12
glacierbay Nov 2012 #98
darkangel218 Nov 2012 #15
Fla_Democrat Nov 2012 #247
darkangel218 Nov 2012 #252
Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #17
demwing Nov 2012 #33
quaker bill Nov 2012 #20
RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #21
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #225
Logical Nov 2012 #246
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #22
RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #24
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #26
RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #28
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #55
Confusious Nov 2012 #85
jsmirman Nov 2012 #104
glacierbay Nov 2012 #105
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #125
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #152
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #196
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #226
Capt. Obvious Nov 2012 #165
JoeyT Nov 2012 #195
LanternWaste Nov 2012 #137
demwing Nov 2012 #36
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #65
demwing Nov 2012 #91
Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #62
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #68
william cail Nov 2012 #136
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #151
bowens43 Nov 2012 #32
demwing Nov 2012 #40
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #93
quinnox Nov 2012 #34
RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #37
quinnox Nov 2012 #43
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #50
quinnox Nov 2012 #52
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #54
quinnox Nov 2012 #56
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #61
quinnox Nov 2012 #70
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #74
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #78
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #44
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #250
PavePusher Nov 2012 #294
oberliner Nov 2012 #35
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #38
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #39
JoePhilly Nov 2012 #41
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #72
glacierbay Nov 2012 #109
PavePusher Nov 2012 #295
Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #42
quinnox Nov 2012 #45
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #66
quinnox Nov 2012 #81
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #155
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #73
quinnox Nov 2012 #82
aandegoons Nov 2012 #84
quinnox Nov 2012 #86
aandegoons Nov 2012 #88
quinnox Nov 2012 #96
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #121
alp227 Nov 2012 #241
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #156
rDigital Nov 2012 #234
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #120
jsmirman Nov 2012 #108
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #115
jsmirman Nov 2012 #107
quinnox Nov 2012 #111
Beaverhausen Nov 2012 #147
jsmirman Nov 2012 #159
Arkana Nov 2012 #103
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #278
Jasana Nov 2012 #46
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #211
get the red out Nov 2012 #47
yewberry Nov 2012 #217
alp227 Nov 2012 #243
Iggo Nov 2012 #49
Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #57
Iggo Nov 2012 #138
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #60
cloudbase Nov 2012 #64
OhZone Nov 2012 #76
slackmaster Nov 2012 #83
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #87
DBoon Nov 2012 #89
DinahMoeHum Nov 2012 #90
glacierbay Nov 2012 #114
Sadiedog Nov 2012 #139
PavePusher Nov 2012 #296
Dash87 Nov 2012 #100
Arkana Nov 2012 #102
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #122
jeff47 Nov 2012 #168
CrispyQ Nov 2012 #176
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #279
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #227
Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #117
Rex Nov 2012 #123
HERVEPA Nov 2012 #130
RC Nov 2012 #124
darkangel218 Nov 2012 #128
HERVEPA Nov 2012 #129
darkangel218 Nov 2012 #150
Rex Nov 2012 #265
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #271
jeff47 Nov 2012 #170
Rex Nov 2012 #264
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #157
jeff47 Nov 2012 #171
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #274
jeff47 Nov 2012 #277
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #305
jeff47 Nov 2012 #308
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #306
Drale Nov 2012 #131
Sadiedog Nov 2012 #141
PavePusher Nov 2012 #297
byronius Nov 2012 #133
whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #240
LongHairedCountryBoy Nov 2012 #135
Iggo Nov 2012 #140
LongHairedCountryBoy Nov 2012 #145
Autumn Nov 2012 #142
LongHairedCountryBoy Nov 2012 #146
Autumn Nov 2012 #182
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #212
Bradical79 Nov 2012 #143
PavePusher Nov 2012 #298
Tom Ripley Nov 2012 #144
booley Nov 2012 #148
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #160
jeff47 Nov 2012 #174
booley Nov 2012 #285
FarCenter Nov 2012 #149
Sunlei Nov 2012 #153
PavePusher Nov 2012 #299
DearAbby Nov 2012 #158
uppityperson Nov 2012 #164
dawg Nov 2012 #172
superpatriotman Nov 2012 #173
jeff47 Nov 2012 #175
RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #181
jeff47 Nov 2012 #183
RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #184
jeff47 Nov 2012 #186
bunnies Nov 2012 #193
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #281
MrScorpio Nov 2012 #177
madrchsod Nov 2012 #178
Rstrstx Nov 2012 #179
RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #180
DefenseLawyer Nov 2012 #185
bunnies Nov 2012 #191
Cleita Nov 2012 #194
BVictor1 Nov 2012 #202
Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2012 #205
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #215
Berserker Nov 2012 #208
LeftInTX Nov 2012 #213
yewberry Nov 2012 #218
Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #237
yewberry Nov 2012 #267
Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #268
yewberry Nov 2012 #288
mimosa_bunny Nov 2012 #219
treestar Nov 2012 #220
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #228
Hissyspit Nov 2012 #231
treestar Nov 2012 #309
Hissyspit Nov 2012 #310
PavePusher Nov 2012 #300
liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #222
Deep13 Nov 2012 #229
Hissyspit Nov 2012 #232
Deep13 Nov 2012 #248
joeybee12 Nov 2012 #230
Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #236
Libertas1776 Nov 2012 #239
whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #242
LiberalElite Nov 2012 #244
Logical Nov 2012 #245
whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #254
Logical Nov 2012 #260
Skip Intro Nov 2012 #255
standingtall Nov 2012 #256
MADem Nov 2012 #284
RB TexLa Nov 2012 #259
Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #263
ailsagirl Nov 2012 #266
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #272
flvegan Nov 2012 #287
Bad_Ronald Nov 2012 #302
frogmarch Nov 2012 #303

Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:22 AM

1. .

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:24 AM

2. I have eaten dog. So I guess turkey is okay for me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jmowreader (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:44 AM

221. That deserves credit. Funny. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:30 AM

3. If you wouldn't beat your dog to death, why swat a mosquito?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to uppityperson (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:34 AM

18. Because there are different levels of consciousness.

Dogs and Turkeys are way closer to our level than a mosquito. Also, I kill mosquitos because they are harming me.

However, if you would eat a dog, why not a human?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:45 AM

25. too much fat

watching my cholesterol

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:48 AM

27. You could raise lean free range humans.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:54 AM

29. Soylent Green, my friend, is very tasty!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madinmaryland (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:39 AM

51. For today's consumers it would have to be Soylent Brown

they won't eat it if it doesn't look deep fried and tastes like bacon.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to hack89 (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:28 PM

169. Hey, *something* has to replace those deep fried Twinkies! n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:34 AM

134. We already have free range humans

We call them "The homeless".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #134)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:01 PM

203. They are kind of gamey tasting. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Gore1FL (Reply #203)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:40 PM

253. Try barbecue sauce!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:28 PM

161. Also, the ad says "your dog" and "a turkey". I have less problem eating animals that aren't "my" pet

I cooked a store turkey last night, though our 4 yr old small turkey still lives with our chickens. She has a name and is a pet, so I won't eat her.

The mosquito isn't causing much harm. Can you not afford to give 1 tiny drop of blood to save her life? Oh! The Huge Manatee!

If you consider that there are different levels of consciousness, you may notice dogs and turkeys are not on the same level as humans. That comparison is a silly as my mosquito one.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to uppityperson (Reply #161)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:32 PM

162. For that matter, turkeys aren't on the same level as dogs ...

Big difference in brain size there ...

Bake

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:22 PM

167. With some fava beans and a nice Chianti? Sure.

n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:43 PM

192. turkeys are marginally closer than a mosquito...

 

but even so- at what level of consciousness should an organism be considered too self-aware for us to eat...?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:21 PM

261. Dogs do not know they are alive or will die. Correct?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Logical (Reply #261)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:54 AM

269. Dogs seem to have a pretty good idea of when the end is approaching

I think they are cognizant of their existence.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:23 AM

273. You've never interacted with a live turkey, have you?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #273)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:29 AM

275. Quite frequently.

The wild variety are my neighbors. I'm sure you have a point, but perhaps not the one you think you are making.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #275)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:40 AM

282. Wild ones are not in question

 

And you know that.
The ones raised for food are just slightly above potatoes when it comes to intellect.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #282)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:01 PM

289. I consider my turkey to be beside the potatoe.....

 

and the dressing, and the squash, and the steamed carrots....

Equality for Turkey Now!!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PavePusher (Reply #289)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:04 PM

291. Steamed carrots?

 

Never!

Sure god created all sides equal. But some sides he created more equal than others if you know what I mean.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #282)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:47 PM

301. just so I understand your point here:

wild turkeys have a level of consciousness that places them "not in question" (whatever that means) but their domesticated cousins have somehow dropped down the consciousness scale to the point where they are "slightly above a potato".

Have I represented your argument correctly?

Your claim is that domesticated turkeys have had the consciousness bred out of them?

seriously? That is an astounding claim. As such it required evidence to back it up. Absent that evidence I can only conclude that you are making a claim merely to provide a convenient excuse for consuming domestic turkeys without guilt.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #301)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:52 PM

304. Clearly you don't understand:

 

wild turkeys have a level of consciousness that places them "not in question" (whatever that means)


No, the not in question bit refers to the fact that we aren't talking about wild turkeys. That was a deliberate attempt to change the conversation on your part.

their domesticated cousins have somehow dropped down the consciousness scale to the point where they are "slightly above a potato".


Selective breeding, how does it work? (for instance: are all dog breeds possessed by exactly the same level of intelligence?)


Have I represented your argument correctly?


BWahahahahahahaha!

No. Turkeys were never really aware. Wild ones are a bit smarter than domestic ones. That's all. But they're both still pretty dumb.

Like I said: you've never interacted with a live turkey. Otherwise you wouldn't by trying to claim such things.

seriously? That is an astounding claim. As such it required evidence to back it up. Absent that evidence I can only conclude that you are making a claim merely to provide a convenient excuse for consuming domestic turkeys without guilt.


Without guilt? Ha! Not everyone shares your fetish for eating plant matter.

By the way . . . where do your vegetables come from? A farm by any chance? One that used to be grassland or forest? What do you supposed happened to the poor animals that lived there when it was plowed under to provide you with "guilt free" spinach?

Self awareness: Self-awareness is the capacity for introspection and the ability to reconcile oneself as an individual separate from the environment and other individuals.

So far only humans, some dolphins and apes, and elephants have been shown to be self aware. A few animals are on the border and have conflicting results. Turkeys are nowhere near that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #304)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:11 PM

307. so your new claim is that only "self awareness" matters and that we need

not concern ourselves with the pain and suffering we inflict on all the other animals that do not exhibit the level of consciousness categorized by self-awareness.

You continue to assert that there is some distinction between wild turkeys and domestic ones, continuing to claim that if one were around caged food-turkeys, one would have a different attitude. I've been around farm turkeys and understand why one would feel like that, but I've also been around chickens raised as pets, and there is a world of difference, but the difference is not in the animals themselves it is in our experience of them.

I agree that all of our food choices have consequences. We should be more aware of those consequences and strive to make ethical choices. It is not amazing to me at all that several people here hostile to vegetarianism post arguments about the horrors of plant consumption, but that is really an old and tired argument. If you are actually interested, the jainists laid out the basics of how one can think about making ethical choices, understanding that we will have to fail to cause no harm, but that we can, as conscious reflective self aware beings, make the best choices available to us. They did this circa 800 bce. Nothing much has changed other than more of us live in post scarcity societies where such choices come with minimal inconvenience.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to uppityperson (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:41 PM

166. That's a very good question

 

Hmmm..

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to biohazard9550 (Reply #166)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:19 PM

214. Welcome to DU!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:30 AM

4. Actually, they're just presenting an inconvenient truth...

...in a rather original way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:33 AM

6. Agree nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:20 AM

14. It's not really a truth

We don't generally eat "helper animals"

Dogs, cats, horses, donkeys, oxen.

Everything else is fair game.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:35 AM

19. All of those are food to some people.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:57 AM

30. "generally speaking"

In Asia, it's common to eat dog, probably less so cats.

Horses, probably another matter altogether.

Western tastes, we don't eat them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:52 AM

58. The french eat horse a lot.

So do other 'western' cultures.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:02 AM

75. Very few

The grain to meat conversion of horse is worse then cattle.

I said, "generally speaking" a couple times to mean I was saying "there are places that they do eat that, but there are quite a few more that don't then there are that do."

Do you need me to make it simpler then that?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:56 AM

69. Oxen are eaten in the US A LOT

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #69)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:06 AM

77. Again "generally speaking"

I don't see big hunks of oxen at the super market when I go there.

Nor do I see dog meat, horse meat or cat meat.

I had a girlfriend whose grandfather went out and killed squirrels and ate them. Doesn't mean because one person in the United states eats squirrels everyone does. Nor does it mean nobody does.

"generally speaking"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:45 AM

97. An ox is just a steer trained to be a draft animal. It's called beef at the store.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to hobbit709 (Reply #97)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 PM

199. Well, oops.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:58 AM

106. What's the matter? Don't like Beef? All oxen are are steers who trained as draft animals...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ecumenist (Reply #106)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:46 PM

197. Well, generally speaking

I don't.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #197)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:06 PM

292. That's a rather ego-centric opinion-universe, yes?

 

You see the irony, I hope...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:04 AM

110. The only markets I can think of where there aren't "BIG HUNKS OF OXEN" are in India

Last edited Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:53 AM - Edit history (1)

So, unless you shop at "Crazy Mumbai Moe's, the place where your rupee go buys more". They revere the Ox, Cow, whatever you want to call it. Oh yes, my friend, we eat alot of oxen. ALOT!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ecumenist (Reply #110)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:56 PM

200. You needed to say that twice?

Now it just seems like you're trying to be an ahole.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:37 AM

116. Yes, you do -- it's called "beef"

And, not only is puppy stew part of a ceremony for some Indian tribes, people are always getting arrested for butchering dogs for food (not talking about Indians).

Many, many fancy restaurants serve oxtail, as well as many Southern aka soul food places. It's cheap and tasty if cooked correctly.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #116)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:58 PM

201. I guess Indians eating dog

Means everyone in America does.

Is that what you're trying to say?

Because obviously, after many posts, and explanations, you can't seem to grasp the idea of "generally speaking"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:43 AM

94. I heard eating dog was a response to post WWII near-starvation

that it was not common prior to then, but serious deprivation after the war lead to it becoming more common.

Accusing Chinese and Koreans of being "dog eaters" is something of an ethnic slur.

Didn't the Hawaiians raise "poi dogs" for food though?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DBoon (Reply #94)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:51 AM

99. You heard correctly

I think PETA's ad here is clever and has a very valid point, but the idea that there is some vast cultural tradition of eating dog in Asia is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

It was done as a necessity, not as a cultural statement/tradition.

And those pushing the "it's a part of the culture" angle are either stupid or in the business and trying to stir up resentment of "outsiders" for their own ends - kind of like the shithead class in West Virginia does the same to oppress the fuck out of the people.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:19 AM

126. I lived in China and Taiwan for a while.

Dog was rare in most places outside of southern China. In the southern provinces, dog was prevalent, as was cat, snake, what have you.

But this was 25 years ago. I don't know how much it's changed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:53 AM

283. Cat's in the Kettle notwithstanding...?

Cat is on the menu in China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat#Consumption_of_cat_meat

Dog too--though it is becoming less popular these days. They tried to outlaw it and couldn't get consensus... http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/mychinastory/2012-02/02/content_14525279.htm

Horse in on the menu in Europe. I used to live right near a horsemeat store ... I never could get used to the smiling cartoon horse on the sign advertising the place!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:01 AM

31. What "WE" are you talking about?

DUers? Americans? Humans?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to demwing (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:46 AM

53. I thought it was pretty clear

I guess not. Humans.

"generally speaking" humans don't eat "Helper animals"

Westerners don't, generally speaking.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #53)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:53 AM

59. we don't eat "pets" for some value of "pet".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:34 PM

163. exactly. eom

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #59)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:08 PM

293. And pet doesn't have a universal definition

 

to many a dog is a pet (in the US certainly).

Ergo we won't eat dog.
To very few is a turkey a pet.

Ergo we will eat turkey.

I doubt most kids if they had a pet pig would eat that pig. Or chicken or goat or . . .

All PETA has proven is that people don't want to eat their pets. Not that people don't want to eat meat or feel bad about killing animals in general.

Which is both true and pointless.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:55 AM

67. I can find oxtails in any grocery store in my town

Including "fancy" ones. People also eat horses, and dogs. And guinea pigs, which are pets to many folks.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #67)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:08 AM

79. "generally speaking"

Meaning: Quite a few more people don't then do.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #79)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:39 AM

118. Lots of people eat beef

What do you think an ox is? It's a steer.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #79)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:46 PM

251. Generally speaking.... YUM!


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Turborama (Reply #251)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:52 PM

258. Speaking for myself

Grose.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Turborama (Reply #251)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:37 AM

280. PLEASE let me know if anyone knows of a good US supplier of this.

It's delicious but very hard to find here.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #280)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:39 PM

286. Here you go

I have been looking for Marmite recently and found this online shop. They've got a nice sounding Baxters one, too:

http://www.britstore.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=oxtail&osCsid=u9nbv18nimtkaknq4j3notiri1&x=16&y=10

http://www.britsuperstore.com/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?SS=oxtail&PR=-1&TB=A&SHOP=

BTW the strangest thing just happened. I typed a search into my blackberry and instead of searching it created a site out of the search terms and a site actually appeared. Check it out and let me know if a random site comes up for you, too: http://heinz.oxtail.soup.in.the.us/

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:21 AM

127. Some cultures eat "helper animals"

Don't be so insular: there are other cultures with norms you don't know about: The French eat horse meat, some Asian cultures eat dogs and cats. Chicken is unappetizing in some cultures and dairy byproducts are regarded as disgusting by others.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dynasaw (Reply #127)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:50 PM

198. I said "generally speaking"

I am fully aware that other cultures do.

That's why I said "generally speaking" and Specified western cultures.

If you had bothered to read and hadn't rushed to get on your high horse, you would have known that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:07 PM

204. How are cats "helper" animals?

 

Dogs, horses, oxen and donkeys, yeah. But cats? I have five of them and the next helpful thing they do will be the first. They're cute but do no work at all.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MrSlayer (Reply #204)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:17 PM

206. Well, yea

They used to get the rats that infested the food stores.

Since modern sanitation, they really don't have to do that anymore.

They're just resting on their laurels these days.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MrSlayer (Reply #204)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:12 AM

233. They help me judge other people.

I don't trust people who make my cats nervous.

They also DO work as alarm system, if you're talking utilitarian. They get really nervous and growl when someone is approaching the house.

They also provide comfort.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:04 AM

223. As long as you limit 'we' to Americans. All those animal you listed are regular menu items all

 

over the world. Pretty narrow view from someone that calls himself Confusious.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #223)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:17 AM

235. For the 1,323th time

I said "generally speaking"

Generally speaking: "there are places that they do eat that, but there are quite a few more that don't then there are that do."

J.H.F.C. I wish people would read, but they gotta rush to be the first on that Fing High Fing Horse.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #235)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:44 AM

238. And being wrong 1,323 times still doesn't make you right. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #238)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:51 PM

257. So you are a cuisine expert?

Last edited Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:24 PM - Edit history (1)

So please, enlighten me about how more people around the world eat horse then don't, seeing as horse is a very poor converter of grain to meat.

Please tell me about all the places that eat dog, seeing as the Christian, Judaism, Muslim and Buddhist religions say that dog is a "repulsive" meat.

I really haven't looked into cat meat. Maybe you can prove me wrong there.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Confusious (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:02 PM

290. Depends on culture/location/circumstances.

 

Guinea Pig is delicious.... and widely eaten in South America.

But tell a U.S. pet store that you're shopping for dinner and watch the hilarity ensue....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:44 AM

23. That we should eat dog?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

63. Exactly

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:12 AM

80. Nothing original about an appeal to emotion

Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument. The appeal to emotion fallacy uses emotions as the basis of an argument's position without factual evidence that logically supports the major ideas endorsed by the elicitor of the argument. Also, this kind of thinking may be evident in one who lets emotions and/or other subjective considerations influence one's reasoning process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion


Emphasis mine.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:41 AM

92. not really, it's unpractical to eat dog..

First of all what breed would give you great hunks of breast meat? We would have to farm raise pugs or bulldogs or something and fatten them up. You get too big of a breed and there wouldn't be room in the store to sell them.

Then issue with the size of your oven to the size of your fryer. A whole new industry would have to be built around 100 quart fryers just to get all the meat in...



Not practical at all----

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to snooper2 (Reply #92)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:32 AM

132. Even people who eat dog don't eat the family pet

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Major Nikon (Reply #132)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:04 PM

154. I didn't say they did, I said they would have to be farm raised-

Just look at the numbers----


In 2011, more than 248 million turkeys were expected to be raised with an average liveweight per bird of 28 pounds with nearly 6 billion pounds of turkey processed. By contrast, in 1970, only 105 million birds were raised with an average liveweight of 17 pounds and 1.5 billion pounds processed. The turkeys produced in 2010 together weighed 7.11 billion pounds and were valued at $4.37 billion.


Read more: Turkey Trivia — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/tgturkeyfacts.html#ixzz2CsidUNg0
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, more than 45 million turkeys are cooked and eaten in the U.S. at Thanksgiving—that's one sixth of all turkeys sold in the U.S. each year. American per capita consumption of turkeys has soared from 8.3 pounds in 1975 to 18.5 pounds in 1997. Ten years later, the number dropped in 2007 to 13.8 pounds.


Read more: Turkey Trivia — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/tgturkeyfacts.html#ixzz2CsiVzd3G

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to snooper2 (Reply #154)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:58 PM

187. I'm just adding to what you wrote

I agree the idea of dog ranchers doesn't seem like a good one.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to snooper2 (Reply #92)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:58 PM

210. The Aztecs did exactly that

:lol:

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to snooper2 (Reply #92)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:13 AM

216. Lamb is bigger than dog and people eat lamb all the time.

The size isn't the biggest problem.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:11 AM

112. Well said!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:12 AM

113. No they're not. Lots of people eat dog.

I eat meat and have nothing against that. I've never tried it (I don't even know where I'd find it around here) but I have no objection.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:32 AM

5. Well, at least this one avoided Holocaust comparisons. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:40 AM

7. No

label needed here, even I can tell this turkey is a
genetically modified organism.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:48 AM

8. PETA reminds me of the NRA

Both have taken worthwhile issues and thoroughly marginalized them through nutbaggery.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Azathoth (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:56 AM

71. Congress knows the diff between PeTA and NRA.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:44 AM

95. You can publicly oppose PETA and still get re-elected

nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DBoon (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:53 AM

101. Too true

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DBoon (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:28 PM

189. True, but that just means PETA isn't doing it as well n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DBoon (Reply #95)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:34 AM

270. Because PeTA is largely discredited and politically insignificant.

The NRA may be hated by many and discredited by others. But they are politically powerful.

I rank them with the constellation of LGBT organizations.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:27 PM

188. Moral: political lobbying is more effective than bizarre ads featuring naked women

Counterintuitive, but apparently true

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Azathoth (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:39 PM

190. PETA is taking the best approach available.

I assume that PETA's "nutbaggery" means not confining themselves to somber, dignified arguments that Serious People could respect.

If PETA did that, animal issues would get even less attention and less action than they actually do.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jim Lane (Reply #190)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:22 PM

207. Attention's one thing. Where have they had results? n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #207)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:55 PM

209. Yes, PETA gets results.

Attention by itself is valuable. Beyond that, though, I'm happy to provide you with an account of some of PETA's accomplishments. This is from the Wikipedia article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals and the list of authors can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals&action=history (the article history page). I license this post under the CC-by-SA license. (Crediting the source and the authors and licensing the content means this use of Wikipedia content is permitted without regard to paragraph limitations.)

Founded in March 1980 by (Ingrid) Newkirk and fellow animal rights activist Alex Pacheco, the organization first caught the public's attention in the summer of 1981 during what became known as the Silver Spring monkeys case, a widely publicized dispute about experiments conducted on 17 macaque monkeys inside the Institute of Behavioral Research in Silver Spring, Maryland. The case lasted ten years, involved the only police raid on an animal laboratory in the United States, triggered an amendment in 1985 to that country's Animal Welfare Act, and established PETA as an internationally known organization.

. . . .

McDonald's and Wendy's introduced vegetarian options after PETA targeted them; Petco stopped selling some exotic pets; and Polo Ralph Lauren said it would no longer use fur. Avon, Estee Lauder, Benetton, and Tonka Toy Co. all stopped testing products on animals, the Pentagon stopped shooting pigs and goats in wounds tests, and a slaughterhouse in Texas was closed down.

. . . .

PETA has also objected to the practice of mulesing (removing strips of wool-bearing skin from around the buttocks of a sheep). In October 2004, PETA launched a boycott against the Australian wool industry, leading some clothing retailers to ban products using Australian wool from their stores. In response, the Australian wool industry sued PETA, claiming among other things that mulesing prevents flystrike, a very painful disease that can affect sheep. A settlement was reached, and PETA agreed to stop the boycott, while the wool industry agreed to seek alternatives to mulesing.

. . . .

PETA has promoted legal initiatives to enforce existing euthanasia laws. In 1990, Georgia's "Humane Euthanasia Act" became one of the first laws in the nation to mandate intravenous injection of sodium pentobarbital as the prescribed method for euthanizing cats and dogs in Georgia animal shelters. Prior to that time, gas chambers and other means were commonly employed. Georgia Agriculture Commissioner Tommy Irvin was tasked with licensing the shelters and enforcing the new law, through the Department's Animal Protection Division. However, Commissioner Irvin failed to abide by the terms of the law, and instead continued to license gas chambers. PETA contacted the author of the original legislation, and in March 2007, the Georgia Department of Agriculture and Commissioner Irvin were sued by former State Representative Chesley V. Morton. The Fulton County Superior Court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, validating the terms of the Humane Euthanasia Act, with an injunction prohibiting the Department from issuing licenses to shelters using gas chambers in violation of the Act.

. . . .

Notable cases (of undercover work) include the 26-minute film PETA produced in 1984, Unnecessary Fuss, based on 60 hours of researchers' footage obtained by the ALF during a raid on the University of Pennsylvania's head injury clinic. The footage showed researchers laughing at baboons as they inflicted brain damage on them with a hydraulic device intended to simulate whiplash. Laboratory animal veterinarian Larry Carbone writes that the researchers openly discussed how one baboon was awake before the head injury, despite protocols being in place for anesthesia. The ensuing publicity led to the suspension of funds from the university, the firing of its chief veterinarian, the closure of the lab, and a period of probation for the university.

. . . .

In 1990, Bobby Berosini, a Las Vegas entertainer, lost his wildlife license, as well as (on appeal) a later lawsuit against PETA, after the group broadcast an undercover film of him slapping and punching orangutans in 1989.

. . . .

In 1999, a North Carolina grand jury handed down indictments against pig-farm workers on Belcross Farm in Camden County, the first indictments for animal cruelty on a factory farm in the United States, after a three-month PETA investigation produced film of the workers beating the animals. In 2004, PETA published the results of an eight-month undercover investigation in a West Virginia Pilgrim's Pride slaughterhouse that supplies chickens to KFC. The New York Times reported the investigation as showing workers stomping on live chickens, throwing dozens against a wall, tearing the head off a chicken to write graffiti, strangling one with a latex glove, and squeezing birds until they exploded. Yum Brands, owner of KFC, called the video appalling, and threatened to stop purchasing from Pilgrim's Pride if no changes were made; Pilgrim's Pride fired 11 employees, and introduced an anti-cruelty pledge for workers to sign.

In 2004 and 2005, PETA shot footage inside Covance, an animal-testing company in the United States and Europe, that appeared to show monkeys being mistreated in the company's facility in Vienna, Virginia. According to The Washington Post, PETA said an employee of the group filmed primates there being choked, hit, and denied medical attention when badly injured. After PETA sent the video and a 253-page complaint to the United States Department of Agriculture, Covance was fined $8,720 for 16 citations, three of which involved lab monkeys; the other citations involved administrative issues and equipment. The company said none of the issues were pervasive or endemic, and that they had taken corrective action. In 2005 Covance initiated a lawsuit charging PETA with fraud, violation of employee contract, and conspiracy to harm the company's business, but did not proceed with it.

PETA also goes undercover into circuses. In 2006, they filmed trainers at Carson & Barnes Circus—including Tim Frisco, the animal-care director—striking elephants while shouting at them; The Washington Post writes that the video shows Frisco shouting "Make 'em scream!". A company spokesman dismissed PETA's concerns as "Utopian philosophical ideology", but said the circus would no longer use electric prods.


I've deleted the footnotes. If you go to the Wikipedia article you can find backup references for these statements.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jim Lane (Reply #209)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:22 PM

262. macaque monkeys

the etymological root of the macaca insult that seems to have ended George Allen's political career.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:52 AM

9. Can your high IQ explain what is false about the analogy?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:13 AM

13. I agree there really is nothing wrong with the analogy! NT

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:40 AM

119. Yup

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:11 AM

224. Not surprising that you have received no response. For a supposedly liberal message board,

 

there are an awful lot of narrow-minded and very sensitive conservatives here.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:30 AM

276. 'your dog' vs 'a turkey'

 

Not an equivalent comparison.

It should be a dog raised for food with no emotional attachment. And even then its merely addressing cultural values rather than universal morality.

/you wouldn't chop down a thousand year old redwood, why would you live in a house made of wood?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:58 AM

10. Not seeing your point

And I'm fairly certain my IQ is not an obstacle here.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tkmorris (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:53 AM

16. Self satisfaction in unfounded feeling of superiority?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:08 AM

11. Huh. Actually, I kinda doubt that there are many vegans in Freeperville.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:11 AM

12. Let 'em have their tofu turkey and crestnuts...

 

I'm going to devour a big hunk of turkey breast covered in gravy.

And feed my cat a special can of wet food made with another kind of ground up animal.

Ah, it's nice to be at the top of the food chain.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:48 AM

98. +10000000000

 

Went out a few weeks ago and shot a 23-26 lb. turkey, wife is going to cook it tomorrow and we're going to enjoy it. Nothing like a hot turkeiy leg, mashed potatos, yams, dressing and hot rolls w/butter.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)


Response to darkangel218 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:02 AM

247. ozzy fudd the wabbit slayer


















Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Fla_Democrat (Reply #247)


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:17 AM

17. And maybe higher than some here at DU

 

I would unrec this thread if I could...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:03 AM

33. Just use the trash button

better than unrec

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:39 AM

20. Much smarter than freepers

All the words are spelled correctly.

my answer: Because I know I enjoy a properly roasted turkey. One does not want to mess around with a holiday dinner, go with what you know.

(what I will not do is feed my dog some turkey, it tends to give her the runs, which detracts from the whole holiday atmosphere)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:40 AM

21. They are smart

They get tons of panties wadded up and have their ads re posted for free all over the internet.
I lol at their ability to troll the moranic...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:14 AM

225. So true, and even telling them doesn't stop them. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:47 AM

246. They love being dramatic and publishing stupid things. Seems dumb to me. I know of no one who....

respects them. Most people laugh about them. So I think it might be backfiring.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:43 AM

22. I really don't care if somebody elae refuses to eat meat, but they piss me off when they do all

 

They can to keep me from eating meat.

They can take my pork chop when they pry it from my cold dead hand.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:44 AM

24. They've done nothing to stop you

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:47 AM

26. Their goal is to stop all meat production

 

They are whacked out fringe and deserve nothing but scorn

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:49 AM

28. lol See #21

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:51 AM

55. Their goal is to persuade people to rethink what they eat and what their

relationships are with the other animals on this planet. I'd say this ad was quite effective, it has even managed to reach you and force you to think about your relationship to animals.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:27 AM

85. Maybe they should protest the wild animal shows

They made me realize everything is food, in one way or another.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:56 AM

104. So well said

I wish DU could cut the "being stupid for being stupid's sake" stuff.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:58 AM

105. It sure hasn't forced me to rethink my relationship

 

with animals, I hunt and eat deer, rabbit, game birds and I have no qualms about it, I also have 2 dogs, 3 cats, birds and fish as pets.
This peta ad is just their way getting publicity and I could care less about it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:15 AM

125. All this ad did for me was to convince me to go out and buy the biggest, fattest, freshly killed

 

Turkey I can find.

mmmmm mmmmmm mm

Yummy.

For Black Friday I'll have a big juicy bloody very rare steak, then ham on Saturday.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #125)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:01 PM

152. I did not say it changed your mind. It forced you to "re-think".

That re-thinking brought forward into your consciousness that which is generally not present. For the most part you and most people do not think at all about what they eat and the ethics of what they eat. Now you have had to think about it, and you are proudly displaying your disdain for the ethics of your food choices.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #152)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:43 PM

196. It did nothing of the kind.

 

It made me hungry for some juicy fresh meat.

Yum yum.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #152)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:16 AM

226. Re-think implies an original thought.

 

I think it is safe to assume that that doesn't apply in this case.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #125)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:40 PM

165. LOL!

I'm going to teach PETA a lesson by harming my body. Take that PETA!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #125)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:49 PM

195. So you're basically like

the Limbaugh fans that cut down trees and run all their lights at once to "protest" environmentalists?

That's good, everyone should have a hobby.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:39 AM

137. I imagine the corollary is true, also

"hey are whacked out fringe and deserve nothing but scorn..."

I imagine the corollary is true, also-- the individual who mocks vegans by telling everyone how delicious he find his meat, and his evening plans for his meat deserves nothing but scorn... unless of course we're simply holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves.

"Their goal is to stop all meat production..."

I have no doubt you may even believe that to be the case.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:05 AM

36. No one want to touch your "come dead hand"

that's disgusting

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to demwing (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

65. The hazards of posting from a phone

 

Damned Android autocorrect.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #65)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:40 AM

91. thanks for not getting sweaty, I was just ribbing ya



BTW, your sig line? +100%

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

62. Bullshit. All they're doing is expressing their beliefs.


Call me when PETA puts a gun to your head and I might take your post seriously.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #62)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:55 AM

68. PETA attempts to change the laws to cram their beliefs down everybody's throats

 

In that respect, they are exactly like the religious right.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RomneyLies (Reply #68)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:37 AM

136. ASPCA Good PeTA Bad

This is why I donate to no kill shelters and to the ASPCA. The ASPCA does more good than PeTA ever will. The ASPCA does have some police powers to arrest.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to william cail (Reply #136)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:53 PM

151. The ASPCA is great. I try to donate to them as much as possiible.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:02 AM

32. I agree with them, meat is meat. Dog, cow , cat, chicken

if you're going to eat meat and I do, why the discrimination. Why the hypocritical belief that eating turkey is ok but eating dog isn't?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bowens43 (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:08 AM

40. Dogs are cute

they have eyebrows.

How can you eat something that originated the term "puppy dog eyes" ???

Turkeys are nasty beasts. Don't ugly things deserve to be killed and eaten?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bowens43 (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:42 AM

93. If society every completely broke down

 

I'd eat whatever meat I could find. Species be damned.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:03 AM

34. Meh, turkey pretty much sucks anyway

Never was a big fan of turkey. Give me ham instead any day. But dog? No thank you, and its not because I'm a dog lover either. I can't stand most dogs. I sure as hell wouldn't want to eat the disgusting things.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:05 AM

37. Always easy to say with a full stomach

Once you get hungry enough you will eat

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:10 AM

43. Still even then, I'd chomp down on some squirrels before I even considered eating a filthy dog

I'd have them down on the bottom of the list of possibilities near rats and shit like that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:37 AM

50. Your attitude about dogs tells me all I need to know.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to hobbit709 (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:44 AM

52. oh well

you dog lovers seem to have a hard time understanding that there are those in the world who do not like dogs. I'm a cat person, and dogs pretty much disgust me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #52)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:50 AM

54. Yes, I'm a dog person but I don't go around saying I hate cats.

None of the people I know that have cats say they hate dogs and call them filthy, etc. as you do.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to hobbit709 (Reply #54)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:52 AM

56. well, I have had bad experiences with dogs

including being attacked, hence why I speak with some heat about this, so let's leave it at that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #56)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

61. I've been bitten by cats and dogs.

The worst was the cat bite that got majorly infected.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to hobbit709 (Reply #61)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:56 AM

70. have you ever been physically attacked by a large dog?

where they are acting crazy aggressive, try that, then compare it to a cat bite.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #70)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:01 AM

74. More than once

I've also been bitten by a rattlesnake, charged by a bull-which is way bigger than any dog, kicked by a horse, and chomped on by various critters.
If I started freaking out over everything that jumped me one way or another I'd probably need major therapy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:08 AM

78. Squirrel is great! Fried, stewed, pot pie -- good stuff.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:11 AM

44. you'd be surprised at what you'll eat when you get hungry enough.

My mother told me stories of the winter of 44-45 in Vienna. The basic food ration was 2 kilos of potatoes per person per week. You were lucky if you got half that. Along with getting bombed 24/7.
There was no coal for heating since all coal went to the war effort, so civilians had to find whatever they could to burn during the coldest winter in 50 years. She told me about crawling through bombed out buildings getting scrap lumber to burn, meanwhile hoping the rest of the building didn't collapse on you.
If there was meat in the beans, it was rat. As a kid I saw her nail a rat at 10 feet with a wooden soled sandal-she obviously had practice.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to hobbit709 (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:34 PM

250. sure, but that is not our situation.

Absent scarcity and starvation we can make ethical choices about what we eat.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #250)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:17 PM

294. What "ethics"?

 

If it's O.K. to eat it in severe conditions, why is it not O.K. to eat it during mild conditions?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:04 AM

35. What is stupid about this?

What is wrong with asking people to at least consider the point being made?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:05 AM

38. PETA has to be outrageous because that's the only way they get attention.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:07 AM

39. What's wrong with that message? I don't get your point.

That's what PETA is about. Animal rights.

It's good for someone to ask a question, get you thinking.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:09 AM

41. I'm allergic to dogs, but not to turkey. So that bird is going down.



I'm also not allergic to stuffing, unless it has almonds in it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JoePhilly (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:58 AM

72. YUM! n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JoePhilly (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:02 AM

109. My mouth is watering for Turkey. nt.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JoePhilly (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:18 PM

295. Oh, you rotten bastidge....

 

Now I need a sandwich...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:10 AM

42. Maybe you are feeling guilty?

 

Somewhere deep inside you know cultivating mistreated animals to eat them is wrong. Maybe PETA is touching your conscience in some way and you don't want to be reminded about how bad you really feel inside.

I feel as bad for you as for the innocent baby animals that you eat without regard to their lives that, however brief, contain more suffering than you will know in all your years.

Eat to Live, Don't Live to Eat

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:15 AM

45. well, a PETA spokesman has arrived

"I feel as bad for you as for the innocent baby animals that you eat without regard to their lives that, however brief, contain more suffering than you will know in all your years."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #45)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

66. best to dismiss that with an eye roll smilie than to look behind the curtain.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #66)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:21 AM

81. didn't realize you were a PETA fan

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:12 PM

155. I didn't realize your total lack of empathy for non human creatures.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #45)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:00 AM

73. That poster is 100% right -- poultry ranching is horrific

How anyone can eat meat -- or eggs -- that come from such facilities is beyond me. Want a turkey? Raise one and kill it, or get it from somewhere where you know they are raised like living, feeling creatures, and not tortured and abused their whole lives. Because it is a FACT that that is how factory farming treats the livestock.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:22 AM

82. another PETA fan, eh?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:26 AM

84. Count me in too please.

I eat meat and I agree with the poster. PETA has done much more good for animals even if I don't agree with everything they do or even agree with their most basic of premises.

I salute them for that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to aandegoons (Reply #84)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:35 AM

86. you guys are coming out of the woodwork, eh

Well, I think PETA are batshit crazy in their tactics an extreme ideology. HUMANS AND ANIMALS ARE NOT THE FUCKING SAME.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:39 AM

88. True they are not humans.

Like I said I do not agree with the most basic of their ideals but that is no reason not to respect them for those things they accomplish.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to aandegoons (Reply #88)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:45 AM

96. you are really being mealy-mouthed

about PETA, I find that very annoying.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:47 AM

121. Humans have a moral and ethical duty bto be stewards of animals

And, there are also laws stating such, although they need to be much better.

If a human has a soul, then a turkey or a pig or a steer certainly does.

It is hubris to think anything else.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #121)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:33 AM

241. "If a human has a soul, then a turkey or a pig or a steer certainly does"

I wonder when DU TOS will require posting from a secular, rationalist POV?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:13 PM

156. so by extension you are stating that all of us are "batshit crazy" too.

you have a nice day now.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #86)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:30 AM

234. +10000 big difference NT

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to aandegoons (Reply #84)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:45 AM

120. Thanks

I'm a vegetarian now, but ate only organic meat the last couple years I still ate meat, because of how livestock are treated. I can't quite do the vegan thing, although I wish I could, but I do know where all my dairy products are sourced. It's not perfect, but I try.

My parents are meat eaters, and get all their meat now from local sources. It's not all organic, but the animals are at least humanely raised and killed. Again, not perfect, and neither is PETA, but their undercover videos have really helped change attitudes and laws.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:59 AM

108. Thoughtful response

except, totally not.

Do better than this.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:25 AM

115. Because every person pro humane livestock ranching is "fringe"

And a "fanatic."



How do you feel about puppy mills? They are generally MORE "humane" than factory farming of livestock, although the poor animals there suffer for a longer time.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:58 AM

107. This is spot on

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jsmirman (Reply #107)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:10 AM

111. PETA fan #4

You stood up and were counted!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to quinnox (Reply #111)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:29 PM

147. Why does it surprise you to find PETA fans here?

Are you even reading the posts? Are you OK with the way most animals that are eaten by humans are treated for their short, horrid lives? Not to mention the damage to the environment. Maybe you could try to be a little more open-minded, learn something and show some respect to the opinion of others here.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #147)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:22 PM

159. Thank you, Beaverhausen

I don't agree with everything PETA does - I *do* think a lot of what they do is important.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:54 AM

103. Nope, pretty sure I just think PETA's full of idiots

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:34 AM

278. Most theists assume a negative reaction to their crazy proclamations

 

is proof that others agree with them but aren't prepared to admit it yet.

'Believe in my God or burn!'

You're annoying, go away.

'Aha, why would you reject my message unless you knew it to be true!'

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:26 AM

46. When will

Peta get it through its thick head that not all of us omnivores can survive as vegans? Tried it once... lost too much weight. I eat white meat (chicken and turkey) and very little red meat. Grew up on a fishing boat so fish is no go. Can't get rid the smell in my head. Ugh.

Their constant calls to go Vegan only turn me off. Now... if they could tell more responsible ways to eat white meat, I might take a listen... if they didn't do it in a sexist way. That pisses me off even more.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jasana (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:15 PM

211. Welcome to DU!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:30 AM

47. I would give PETA more of a break IF

Something close to 90% of pets that enter their shelters weren't euthanized, and if they didn't believe that my dog was better off DEAD than being loved and spoiled by my husband and I because they believe that pets should not exist. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/

I used to have respect for PETA, even though I disagreed with them on some items, but now no more.

If it were necessary for all of humanity to go Vegan to keep dogs, horses, and cats from EVER being tortured, eaten, or made to live in some miserable way, I'd go for it in a heartbeat if that's what it took, and I love my burgers. That seems to be what it would take for a lot of people to not see a false equivalency with our companion animals and a turkey, and if that's the case, so be it, pass the tofurky laws tomorrow and I'll comply.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to get the red out (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:30 AM

217. You've been fed a pack of lies.

PETA is not and never has been an animal adoption agency. They do not operate animal shelters for adoption.

The reason that 90% of pets that end up with PETA are euthanized is because they are not an adoption agency. What they do is help some local groups when those local agencies can't afford humane euthanizations. The high euthanization rate is simply due to to the fact that PETA does not run adoption centers; they offer humane euthanization services to local agencies who might otherwise shoot or drown unwanted animals.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to get the red out (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:40 AM

243. PETA perverts "pro life".

Can't PETA sponsor nature sanctuaries instead of being thought police to justify euthanasia? If peta is so concerned about animals' feelings why don't they defend prey from predators?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:35 AM

49. Here we go again...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:52 AM

57. Can you help us low-IQ people with how this analogy


is not totally apt?

BTW, I am a meat eater - the only reasons that I have to not eat dogs, so I presume, are culturally constructed and have more to do with peer pressure and societal norming than with genuine, fact-based reasons.

To be hones, you OP baffles me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #57)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:59 AM

138. It's my gut feeling that...

...these kinds of posts tend to be based more on a hatred of PETA than a love of puppy dogs.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:53 AM

60. I don't see anything wrong with what PETA said

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:54 AM

64. Break with traditon.

Eat sea kittens.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:04 AM

76. I love PETA!

People Eating Tasty Animals!

OHYEAH!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:22 AM

83. A dog is a filthy animal, but at least it's got personality

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:37 AM

87. Agriculture does huge damage to animals and ecosystems...

Certainly, big ag does. But even "enviornmentally sensitive" ag does its share, eliminating whole eco-systems, and distortiing the number of species toward those animals which love fields of dense, easily had grains, fruits and veggies. That's the problem with PeTA's conscious-pricking, holier-than-thou aporoach: They falsely cleanse the souls of vegetarians.

We can only reduce the damage. I hunt deer, dove, squirrel, and yes, turkey. This reduces my reliance on meat-under-cellophane.

Tastes in meat? Most of that is culturally-determined around the emotion of sentiment (something PeTA is very reliant on).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:40 AM

89. No - PETA is much cleverer than FR by leaps and bounds

I don't completely agree with their message but I admire the creativity in their campaigns.

I will still enjoy my turkey dinner, and my dog will get some of the scraps. She has no qualms about consuming animal flesh and prefers to do so in the company of her humans.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:40 AM

90. Long ago, I got banned from PETA after remarking

that their new slogan should be:

"Eat P***y, Not Meat"



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #90)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:20 AM

114. Yeah

 

That'll pretty much get you banned.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to glacierbay (Reply #114)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:59 AM

139. And rightly so!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Sadiedog (Reply #139)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:23 PM

296. I disagree....

 

P***y is a renewable resource, low-calorie (probably burns more in the eating than you gain), and can be re-eaten again and again! In fact, if you do it right, it demands a return engagement....

The perfect food!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:52 AM

100. Turkeys are cute. I see wild ones all the time.

But they're also very tasty.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:53 AM

102. Yes, because eating the family pet is TOTALLY the same as eating a goddamn frozen turkey.

Bravo, PETA. You've hit the retarded nail on its head again.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Arkana (Reply #102)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:51 AM

122. It really is no different

If you eat meat, you eat meat. If a human has a soul, and a dog does, then a turkey certainly does.

The French are a Western culture and society, and they are huge horse meat eaters. I think that's appalling. They think that attitude is ridiculous. Horses are helper animals, companion animals, pets.

Meat is meat.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #122)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:26 PM

168. You do realize the exact same logic applies to plants, right?

Plants are alive and feel pain. They react very strongly when injured.

We're not autotrophs. Something has to die for us to live. How is killing spinach to eat it more noble than killing a turkey to eat it?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jeff47 (Reply #168)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:42 PM

176. I eat as far from my DNA as possible. -nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #122)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:36 AM

279. Who is talking about souls?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Arkana (Reply #102)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:27 AM

227. Yes, because eating the family is the same as eating a turkey. Meat is meat, after that

 

it is all cultural and personal preference. Once you get that through the filter, I think it comes down to intent and responsibility.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:38 AM

117. If you wouldn't eat a turkey, why are you fine with the mass destruction of

small animal communities to make way for a carrot farm? Why is it 'alright' for millions of rodents to not only die, but see their entire environment eradicated for all time just to grow some food? Is it becasue the gophers are not really animals, so it is cool to kill them en mass and toss the corpses aside?
I'm always amused by those who think veg diets are 'cruelty free'. They have never seen a natural pasture become an agri field, and they certainly have never been farmworkers.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:52 AM

123. But I've had dog...not my personal one of course

so what does PETA have to say about that?

PETA = Pretenders Eating Turkey Afterwork.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Rex (Reply #123)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:30 AM

130. Wow. Such great wit.

You must be a riot at parties.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:55 AM

124. Crazy Talk.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:23 AM

128. Humans are Omnivore!

Which means we eat both veggies AND meat! What they want us to do is NOT natural to the human body. If someone wants to go vegan, that'd their personal choice, but don't try to guilt others into being like you!

Screw that!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to darkangel218 (Reply #128)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:29 AM

129. It is not unnatural in the slightest

Killing other beings is unnatural.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to HERVEPA (Reply #129)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:51 PM

150. Oh please. Like we evolved from apes eating tofu.

Animals kill each other for food all the time. We kill them, and in some instances they kill us for a tasty launch. I'm sorry the reality of things bothers you so much.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to darkangel218 (Reply #150)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:40 AM

265. Please to not introduce the facts

that might now work out so well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to darkangel218 (Reply #150)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:20 AM

271. We didn't evolve from apes, we share common ancestors, but

Apes are mostly vegetarians. They of course do not eat tofu in the wild, as they do not have the social skills for manufacturing food products.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to HERVEPA (Reply #129)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:29 PM

170. Plants are other beings.

They're alive. They react very strongly to the injuries you cause when you rip their flesh apart in order to consume them. As an added bonus, uncooked plants are still alive when you shred them with your teeth. At least meat is no longer suffering when you consume it.

We aren't autotrophs. Something has to die so that we can live.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to HERVEPA (Reply #129)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:39 AM

264. Now that is funny.

You must be from outer space.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to darkangel218 (Reply #128)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:17 PM

157. There are lots of behaviors that we have that are "natural"

that we need to evolve beyond. The point is that as conscious beings in a post scarcity economy we can make ethical choices that would, if widely adopted, reduce the pain and suffering and improve the life experience of many other more or less conscious beings on this planet, with only minimal inconvenience to ourselves. Why wouldn't an ethical mindful human do that?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #157)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:32 PM

171. Why does this goal not apply to plants?

They're alive. They react very strongly to pain.

Why is it OK to shred a living being with your teeth, but not OK to eat the flesh of a now-dead animal?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jeff47 (Reply #171)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:27 AM

274. As I stated up thread, for me it is level of consciousness.

Plants experience life, but I do not think that they do so consciously. There are vegetarians, such as jainists, who agree that even the suffering of plants should be considered and minimized. I have to eat. But the harm I cause by eating other life should be minimized. I cause more harm by eating cow than by eating beans.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #274)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:31 AM

277. Studies have shown a surprising level of awareness in plants

They were doing some studies of abuse of plants. They had one person be mean to the plants - yell at it, rip parts off, general abuse. Another person was nice to the plants - spoke reassuringly, provided water and fertilizer and so on.

What they found is after a little while, the plant would start reacting when the person approached the plant - the "evil" person triggered defensive reactions even when they didn't do anything. Somehow (and we have no idea how) the plant knew the "evil" person was there.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jeff47 (Reply #277)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:54 PM

305. experience and reaction are not consciousness.

Ive built robots that experience their environment and react to it without a shred (pun intended) of consciousness. Plants do have sensory capacity to sense and react to light, to chemicals etc.

Consciousness is more than experience and reaction to sensory input. You know that, as a conscious being.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #305)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:17 PM

308. My point is you've failed to show a lack of consciousness.

And that there's a lot more going on in plants than we thought.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #274)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:58 PM

306. A properly managed cow pasture can be home to a variety of plant and animal life

 

a properly managed bean field is home to . . . beans.

Actually in the process of grinding up a field for use you kill untold numbers of mice/rats (intelligent) as well as lesser animals. And of course by removing those animals you starve the animals that would feed on them (predatory cats, wolves, coyotes, foxes, birds of prey, etc) as well as wild animals that could have lived in that area (deer, rabbits, and the like).

All those animals are removed/killed by your bean fields. You choose not to see it though.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:31 AM

131. Well for one

Turkey's are mean and very very tasty. Second I'd rather eat a member of PETA than eat me dog. Put them in a smoker for about 24 hours use the right rub and sauce I bet they wouldn't be half bad.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Drale (Reply #131)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:04 PM

141. Sick! nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Drale (Reply #131)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:27 PM

297. "Long pork"....

 

Just cook it well and don't eat the brain...

Side note: 'Stranger in a Strange Land', anyone?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:33 AM

133. Actually, your post title sounds like a Teabilly rant to me.

Free Republic is where all the ethically-challenged go, people who can't muster up empathy for other people --

Check yourself before you wreck yourself. What a dickish post.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to byronius (Reply #133)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:24 AM

240. +1000000000

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:34 AM

135. This ad is just silly

Of course I'm not going to eat MY dog,but in the right circumstances YOUR dog might start looking pretty tasty....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LongHairedCountryBoy (Reply #135)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:03 PM

140. ...and your dog thinks the same thing about you.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iggo (Reply #140)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:22 PM

145. No doubt

and some days more than others too...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LongHairedCountryBoy (Reply #135)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:06 PM

142. Welcome to DU LongHairedCountryBoy

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Autumn (Reply #142)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:27 PM

146. Thank you

Long time lurker,but even after joining I'll never be a prolific poster.More of a listener than a talker

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LongHairedCountryBoy (Reply #146)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:31 PM

182. Well when you talk you seem to make a statement

That was a good post

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LongHairedCountryBoy (Reply #135)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:16 PM

212. Welcome to DU!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:15 PM

143. Two reasons

1. People in general (at least here in the U.S.) perceive dogs as much smarter and more emotional than turkeys. When they think of a dog, they see an animal with more human like feelings. Of course that's not true of everyone, as we have dog fighting and things like that. In general though, dogs are easier to anthropomorphize.

Meanwhile, people think of turkeys as some of the dumbest creatures in the world and little more than a walking food source. Ever heard the myth of turkeys drowning in rainstorms? Though to be fair, if we released the turkeys we have bred for food, they probably would just end up as lunch for another critter.

2. Turkeys are delicious and better sources of meat. If dogs tasted like turkeys and provided as much meat, we probably would have some sort of dog raised exclusively as a food source.

Anyway, I see what PETA is trying here, but it really is a terrible ad, in my opinion, that will probably do nothing to help their cause. If anything, comparing dogs to turkeys around thanksgiving with a shallow ad will just re-enforce whatever negative impression people have of them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bradical79 (Reply #143)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:29 PM

298. 1. Wild turkeys are highly intelligent.

 

2. Many domesticated dogs are highly stupid, have a lot of meat on them and would tase delicious with garlic and sage.

It's more about ingrained cultural taboos.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:18 PM

144. Because it is inefficient to raise carnivores for food?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:30 PM

148. The point is valid

Societies do make rather arbitrary decisions about which animals are ok to eat and which are not.

Nor did we make these decisions necessarily because of facts. We didn't give dogs and turkeys IQ tests before we decided which we would eat. It's cultural. We then used facts afterwards to justify it.

PETA is using this fact to support it's claim that eating meat in general is a moral wrong.

You may not agree with their point and no one said there couldn't be counter arguments BUT the reasoning they are using is sound.

Seriously sometimes it seems people read the word PETA" and their brains jump out a window. You can see their point and still disagree with them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to booley (Reply #148)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:26 PM

160. Exactly

I am vegetarian, yet disagree with PETA on quite a few things, but their campaigns and undercover folks HAVE changed attitudes, and HAVE helped laws get changed that better animals' lives.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to booley (Reply #148)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:37 PM

174. Actually, the problem is the same argument applies to plants

Why must animals be protected, but plants can be happily destroyed?

Plants feel pain. They react very strongly to it. And if you're eating a plant that hasn't been cooked, it's alive when you shred it with your teeth.

The food of vegetarians suffers just like the food of omnivores suffers.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jeff47 (Reply #174)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:04 PM

285. yes and no

My point was that much of what we consider acceptable to eat is cultural. We only figured out that plants have a stress response a little while ago and it's still up in the air if this even counts as pain much less if farming causes some kind of severe pain to plants. I mean from an evolutionary pov, why would plants even develop a sense of pain? Very few plants can move away from something regardless of how painful it is.

So can plants feel pain as we know it? We don't know and the concept is still too esoteric to really impact our cultural decisions.

We may indeed decide one day that eating plants is cruel and we may even find an alternative.

But today we don't and more importantly to my point, we don't separate plant species into acceptable or unacceptable for consumption based on some emotional judgment about a plant's worthiness or alleged emotional life.

Pigs are smarter then dogs and cats. Octopi are right up there. But for various cultural reasons we decided that eating dogs and cats was morally wrong and not just a matter of taste. And we didn't decide that for pigs or octopi.

We may not eat roses generally. But we also wouldn't have the freak out if someone ate roses the way we would if someone ate a puppy in our culture.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:32 PM

149. Harry Harper: family 'devastated' at baby boy's pet dog attack death

Harry Harper, who was just eight days old, was attacked by the Jack Russell terrier yesterday morning at his grandparents' semi-detached home in Ketley, Telford.

Despite frantic efforts by paramedics, he later died from his injuries in The Princess Royal Hospital in Telford.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9693200/Harry-Harper-family-devastated-at-baby-boys-pet-dog-attack-death.html

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:04 PM

153. Peta always has the ad campaigns people notice

[link:|

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Sunlei (Reply #153)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:32 PM

299. Way too skinny....

 

She needs to cook and eat that thing.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:17 PM

158. Hey Peta, come up with something fun, like making fungus into the shape of a turkey...n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:38 PM

164. Because I am smart enough to see the difference between "my" and "a".

"MY" dog does not equal "A" turkey. "my" dog and "my" turkey are more comparable.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:34 PM

172. Darn it! Now I'm craving Jack Russell.

Tasty, tasty Jack Russell ....

?w=314&h=360

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:35 PM

173. How Dare PETA try to nudge our species towards compassion?!11!

nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to superpatriotman (Reply #173)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:38 PM

175. What's compassionate about shredding a living creature with your teeth?

Plants feel pain. Being a vegetarian is not more compassionate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jeff47 (Reply #175)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:29 PM

181. Plants don't have a nervous system

Many have also evolved specifically to be eaten to spread their seed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #181)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:33 PM

183. You don't need a central nervous system to feel pain.

And while they don't have a central nervous system, they do have nerve-like systems and have large, plant-wide reactions to things like picking a leaf.

And while plants expect fruit to be eaten, most vegetables are the plant itself - that spinach plant wasn't terribly interested in you eating it's leaves.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jeff47 (Reply #183)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:38 PM

184. Reaction =/= pain

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #184)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:45 PM

186. Then what is pain?

You cut your finger. Nerve impulses alert your brain to the injury so that you'll move your finger away from the cause of the injury. A host of chemicals start reacting at the site of the injury to project the wound. A bunch of hormones trigger additional chemical changes. Your immune system gets put "on alert" in the area.

In a plant, all the same stuff happens, except the brain moving the limb away.

The fact that you can't relate to a plant's existence doesn't mean the plant doesn't feel pain.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jeff47 (Reply #186)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:47 PM

193. By your logic...

every plant on earth would be in a constant state of pain. Do you seriously believe that?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #181)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:38 AM

281. And these plants, they're grown in areas

 

that were once forests and grasslands right?

What happened to the pain feeling animals that lived there?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:57 PM

177. Fuck PETA, they're not helping at all.

But this country still needs to do a way better job of commercial food production than what we're doing right now.

It's a much bigger issue. The chemicalized and highly processed forms of production are killing us. I wouldn't be surprised if the epidemic levels of cancer, obesity and diabetes that we have in America are linked to our food production methods.

PETA isn't doing anyone any favors by pleading with everyone to "go vegan", especially if that subjects people to more of the poisons that are produced by the Monsanto Corporation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:00 PM

178. peta strikes again!

oh well........

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:11 PM

179. No but if I were a turkey my dog wouldn't hesitate to eat me

:-P

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:26 PM

180. Perfectly reasonable logic, IMO

You don't have to agree, but this doesn't make them stupid. (I am not a vegan, but see where they're coming from).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:40 PM

185. Yeah well, you know... that's just like, their opinion, man. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:39 PM

191. Well?

Do you have an answer?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:55 PM

194. Does the dog get to eat turkey?

I know ours do.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:58 PM

202. Idiots...

 

Call it population control.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:10 PM

205. Oh look it's a turdoggen.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #205)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:20 PM

215. lol

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:40 PM

208. As soon as the rest of the animal world

 

goes vegan I will.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:17 PM

213. Wish they would have drawn attention to factory poultry farms instead

Would get a few people thinking about the quality of the poultry they're consuming.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:49 AM

218. So, let me ask you, Archae,,,

What do you think about the Vegetarian/Vegan/Animal Rights forum here on DU?

Should we be jettisoned, since we're as stupid as 'all of Free Republic?'

If we're all so incredibly so fucking stupid and unwelcome, why not go ahead and ask Elad to tombstone all of us? Please, go for it.

After all, disagreeing with you should be worth a tombstone, right?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to yewberry (Reply #218)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:22 AM

237. I support the right of people to believe in, for instance, ridiculous religious goofiness.

However, when they come to my door and tell me *I* need to believe in it, that's when they piss me off.

It's the proselytizing, that's the problem.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #237)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:09 AM

267. As do I.

In this case, however, as is so often the case on DU, this is not a situation of proselytizing. The OP found an image he disagreed with and brought it to DU for ridicule. Who is proselytizing here?

And gosh, wonder of wonders, the DU chorus of 'mmm, bacon,' 'screw those peta assholes,' and 'veg*ns are sanctimonious extremists' shows up.

I'm a grownup, and I've never had anyone come to my door and try to tell me what to eat (other than door-to-door meat sellers, that is. Boy do we rise their eyebrows.) The world that you and I live in is a meat-eating world though, so please be aware that all of y'all are the default. Us? We're the hippies, the effeminate, the extremists, the low-IQ same-as-freepers even if we've NEVER EVER expressed our opinions in public. Apparently, this should never piss me off.

I agree with the image in the OP. I see no difference between eating a turkey and eating a dog. So sorry. But like most veg*ns, I know enough to shut the fuck up about my opinions, so I don't mention them. You meat-eaters are the majority, like Christians in this country, so you all can feel free to marginalize us. Yes, proselytizing, particularly among new veg*ns, is a problem, but it ain't nothing compared to the response.

Meat-eaters are like right-wing Christians fighting against the imaginary war on Christmas. You are the poor, persecuted majority.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to yewberry (Reply #267)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:48 AM

268. How do you know I eat meat?

I do, actually. Fish and Poultry, no red meat or pork. Although I had a good chunk of my adult life when I didn't eat any. And my philosophical positionings on the whole thing; including my opinions about PETA as an organization, were the same then as they are now.

So I would say "you meat eaters" is a bit premature, in this case.

I would add, though, that I object to anyone giving anyone else shit over what they choose to eat, that applies to meat eaters giving vegans crap same as the other direction.


And for some odd reason, there's been a welcome dearth of PETA threads (Thanksgiving, as always, is to be expected as an exception) on DU3. Even connoisseurs of massive flamefests such as myself found those things tiresome after a while.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #268)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 01:59 PM

288. I rolled the dice and won.



And I don't think it's at all premature to refer to you as a meat eater, as you do indeed eat meat.

Agree that the lack of peta threads has been entirely welcome!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:49 AM

219. Nice

Why do meat eaters get SO upset with vegans & vegetarians?

Leave me the fuck alone. I don't preach to you, kindly return the favor.

"You people" are rude and condescending. I choose not to eat meat and could give zero shits if you would rather take lipitor than modify your diet.

If you choose not to believe the facts regarding the inefficiency of feeding grain to animals and worldwide food insecurity then YOU must be a Freeper. Your health/your planet/your choice. I guess?

I have way too much class to post pictures of what happened to your turkey before it got in your belly.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:42 AM

220. Just not the same

Dogs can be domesticated and dogs have proven themselves to be man's best friend. Name someone who kept a turkey as a pet.

It's also a cultural thing, as some cultures do eat dog.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to treestar (Reply #220)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:33 AM

228. The owner of my stable where I board my horse. One-eye has survived another Thanksgiving, BTW. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to treestar (Reply #220)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:02 AM

231. I had a chicken as a pet.

She was wonderful and loving. Rode on my shoulder with me all the time.

I'm not sure what you mean by "can be domesticated?"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hissyspit (Reply #231)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:56 AM

309. you can't get a chicken to come when you call it?

So you don't eat chicken?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to treestar (Reply #309)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:56 PM

310. No, that's not the definition of domesticated.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to treestar (Reply #220)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:38 PM

300. Actually, my brother's family has a pet turkey.

 

He was originally obtained to be a meal... but got adopted by my then 4-year-old neice. Five years later, Herkimer still rules their urban farm, keeping the geese, ducks and chickens firmly under control.

Other poultry has not been as fortunate...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:45 AM

222. Sometimes PETA brings important issues to the forefront

like abuse of animals that we eat. Which animal is culturally acceptable to eat is irrelevent.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:44 AM

229. Good point, PETA, we should not be so quick to dismiss dogs as food animals.

Really, what about canine makes it intrinsically inedible? Most of us eat hogs, and they taste like people. How much worse can dog be?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Deep13 (Reply #229)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:05 AM

232. It's not the edible-ness.

It's the killing.

Your purpose with this post is to disprove the OP?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hissyspit (Reply #232)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:46 AM

248. The logic can be read either way. ...

Also, which animals are food animals, which are work animals, and which are pets are a social construction based on cultural norms.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:47 AM

230. They lost me when they advocated killing stray and feral cats instead of TNR...

brain-dead self-promoters.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:20 AM

236. How's the dog taste?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:03 AM

239. mmmmm

this thread is giving me a hankering for a turkey hot dog!

Also, am I the only one that thinks the freakish turkey/canine hybrid up there looks kinda cute?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:37 AM

242. So then the desire to eat people would make one a genius?

Your dim post suggests a positive correlation between vegetarianism and IQ.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:42 AM

244. Actually, as the controversy over Obama eating dog as a child shows

what animals we eat and don't eat is culturally determined. Some cultures think termites and grubs are good eatin'!
I haven't eaten any animals for 25 years and below is a link containing reasons to re-think the turkey dinner. I don't agree with everything Peta says but going vegan isn't the stupidest thing I've ever heard by far and that doesn't make me a freeper. It's disheartening to me that otherwise "progressive" people nevertheless can harbor outdated notions in other respects.
And one more thing - you know how your dog has the capacity to feel pain and distress? Well, the turkey has the same capacity. Hard luck for the animal destined for the dinner table. Convenient, huh?

http://www.care2.com/causes/mr-president-pardon-the-turkey-not-industrial-agriculture.html

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:42 AM

245. They are as radical as the NRA. Nuts boths of them. People fucking eat meat. We were evolved to....

eat meat. WTF!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Logical (Reply #245)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:15 PM

254. I've noticed that people who give themselves vainglorious monikers like

Smart, Rational, or Logical, rarely are.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #254)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:20 PM

260. LOL, wow, no defending PETA just insulting my name? How clever. PETA Sucks!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:43 PM

255. PETA Rocks!

They continue to draw attention to animal welfare, and they get kudos from me for that.

Oh yeah, and they've got a long, long list of success stories where they've been responsible for, often entirely responsible for, ending practices that needlessly harm and/or kill animals. They get kudos from me for that too.

Why such things would bother people to such a degree as evidenced in this thread is beyond me, but no matter, PETA Rocks!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:05 PM

256. My Dog fully endorses eating Turkey

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to standingtall (Reply #256)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:55 AM

284. Paul Newman's dog food outfit makes some nice organic turkey, chicken and beef dog food. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:01 PM

259. I don't think so. I don't agree with them but if you have a moral opposition to eating animals


it's a valid presentation of that argument.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:35 PM

263. Meh...no.

Sorry, Team Plasma--I mean PETA. I can't see myself living off of only salads for the rest of my life.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:02 AM

266. I support PETA because they support animals. Bless their hearts!

And, no, I did not have turkey today.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:22 AM

272. If you wouldn't easy your prized rosebushes why eat a salad?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:41 PM

287. I love PETA threads on DU.

Especially when the OP states that this line of thought, which I share, makes one as stupid as a Freeper.

Thanks!

Accusations of ignorance, oh the sweet irony! LOL

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to flvegan (Reply #287)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:49 PM

302. The only threads on DU I find more entertaining than PETA threads are the ones on Chavez

 

No matter where you stand on Chavez, they're always good for a laugh once all the usual people weigh in.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:52 PM

303. My husband’s family - meat eaters, every one of them -

are extremely defensive about their collective RIGHT to eat meat. Some become aggressive, even physically abusive, when they find themselves in the company of vegetarians and/or vegans, even though it’s seldom that any of us VVs say a word either way when we're with these people about everyone’s right to choose to, or to not, eat animal flesh. To my carnivorous in-laws, people who don’t eat meat are The Enemy and must be Dealt With. I also see some of that attitude displayed here in this thread.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread