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Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:44 PM

Call me crazy but I still think there was something fishy about 9-11 and that anonymous stopped the

2012 Election from being stolen. I also think in both 2000 and 2004 the election was stolen by rove for bush. I can't help but remember on 9-11 how bush was missing and Cheney was in charge of the standown order. 9-11 was the catalyst to cement their power. Remember how you couldn't criticize bush? And karl rove in 2004 was so smug when the exit polls had Kerry winning Ohio. Karl rove thought he could pull it off again in 2012 and something stopped him and it was anonymous. I was hoping for this to happen and am thankful anonymous saved our democracy. To this skeptical person what anonymous did was plausible by going into the architecture the voting transmission software. And I also think there are ufo's also but not big foot.

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Reply Call me crazy but I still think there was something fishy about 9-11 and that anonymous stopped the (Original post)
kimbutgar Nov 2012 OP
graham4anything Nov 2012 #1
gollygee Nov 2012 #2
graham4anything Nov 2012 #3
MrSlayer Nov 2012 #6
graham4anything Nov 2012 #7
cali Nov 2012 #4
Howler Nov 2012 #5
FogerRox Nov 2012 #8
RobertEarl Nov 2012 #9
FogerRox Nov 2012 #10
RobertEarl Nov 2012 #12
FogerRox Nov 2012 #11

Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:46 PM

1. Karl Rove is Anonymous. Prove he is not. It is Karl's M.O. being a mad genius to stiffle future vote

 

so that Jeb wins in 2016

very easy to see once past the veneer

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:49 PM

2. Oh please. If he were a "mad genius" who could do anything

we would have lost the election one way or another. And 2008.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:58 PM

3. This anonymous meme reeks of what Ralph Nader did to stiffle the vote

 

Obama won. By his voters voting.
The loser got less votes.

Obama won honest

Why do people want to make Obama an illegitamate president?

I guess Obama's winning a landslide election twice is too much for people who wanted to whine it was stolen if he lost, then need to whine when he wins the same stupid tired Ralph Nader meme.

2010 was lost because the smug dems that stayed home or were so pure in wanting the impossible, that they let the draconian rightwing in.
Nobody stole anything in 2010.

the dems stayed home and didn't vote. Which is what this theft meme(regardless of whether it was done or not) will lead to.

Why get out the vote if a mad hacker can do whatever the hacker wants.

Guess President Obama's winning community organizer campaign is meaningless.
Then why bother if that is true?

Sheeshhhhhhhh


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Response to graham4anything (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:46 PM

6. 2010 was lost because Obama wasn't on the ballot.

 

Not because of ponywishers that stayed home. Our party just doesn't come out for midterms, Republicans always come out for every election.

The people that stayed home in 2010 were all the people that voted in 2008 only because Obama was running. His team should have kept that ground operation in place everywhere and emphasized that voting for Dems in the midterms was the same as voting for him.

I hope they learned that lesson and he repeats this fact endlessly. Otherwise the same thing is going to happen again.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:51 PM

7. people don't understand that congress funds the things they want their President to do

 

alot of people thought the President himself just waves his hands and it happens

and (in NJ for instance, a flawed candidte at the time Corzine. But people should have voted for him.)

IN Florida, people should have voted for Crist as Meeks could not win, never thought he would win, and Crist could have won

same in Wisconsin, and everywhere else.

They did not win, we lost by not voting.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:59 PM

4. whatthefucker.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:01 PM

5. I wholeheartedly Agree Kimbutgar.

And has a resident of Ohio This absolutely was the second time it happened !
Thank goodness Something/someone interceded in another stolen election here.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:58 PM

8. My understanding by reading Ohio election law

No voting machines or county tabulators are hooked up to the internet. And I doubt 10,000 Anons got access to 10,000 voting machines on election day.



I dont think it was a legit Anon claim, because they dont make basic mistakes like that.

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Response to FogerRox (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:04 AM

9. Having a hard time with that

First laws can easily be broken. Part of that easiness is the fact that there are wireless USB internet adapters that can be installed/removed in seconds.

Two, if the computers are not linked then it means all updates are hand loaded. That a human does the data entry. I doubt that idea.

Third, if the computers are not networked how does the data get to the state computers so quickly?

Ohio may not be networked but I know they are in Florida. Why should Ohio be so different?

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Response to FogerRox (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:06 AM

12. Not bad but admittedly not thorough

Last edited Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:24 PM - Edit history (1)

"Remote access software can be surreptitiously installed on a computer." Says your link.

That means the laws concerning internet hookup could easily be hacked.

Memory chips can be set to flip votes. DRE's can flip votes, so the count out of those machines could be miscounted from the beginning. The only way to check the count is via audit. Audits take days, sometimes weeks. DRE's can not be audited.

What did the trick in Ohio 2004 was, along with the above, and other types of miscounts, was in the network with the state computers where all the data is uploaded electronically and therefore vulnerable to hacking.

What we saw in 2004 was false uploaded data. Thousands of votes had been electronically altered. But before an audit or recount could be done, the die was cast and Bush declared the winner. Subsequently, recounts were kept from being done and the only audits I remember were months later by private individuals.

If indeed Ohio has made these changes we can thank the "conspiracy theorists" that Kos wants to ban. Because without them nothing would have changed.

What most of us know is that we have made it much harder for the type of hack that was done in 2004. But there is still a margin of numbers that can be hacked and if done with deft timing, can get an election called before recounts, audits or verifications can take place and records destroyed.

We are not out of the woods yet, and Kos wanting to shut us up is, and should be to every election protection personnel, distastefully spit out.

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Response to FogerRox (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:36 AM

11. And note I am one of the original Election Reform Daily Thread editors

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