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Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:14 PM

 

SEATBELTS

What are your thoughts on the law requiring people to wear seatbelts? I just thought I ask, and get your opinion on the matter!

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MrDiaz Nov 2012 OP
johnd83 Nov 2012 #1
NutmegYankee Nov 2012 #9
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Turbineguy Nov 2012 #27
MattBaggins Nov 2012 #30
ProfessorGAC Nov 2012 #67
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Jamastiene Nov 2012 #49
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LeftofObama Nov 2012 #15
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MattBaggins Nov 2012 #33
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Tikki Nov 2012 #31
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MattBaggins Nov 2012 #35
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Tikki Nov 2012 #39
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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:31 PM

1. As an engineer who has studied engineering dynamics in great detail (basically the study of motion)

you are a complete and utter idiot to not wear a seatbelt. If we have to save idiots from themselves by forcing them to wear them, so be it. The forces involved in an accident (or even a short stop) are so strong that there is no way to brace yourself. Same deal with motorcycle and bicycle helmets. If you are insisting on not wearing a helmet, how about you don't get insurance or an ambulance when you get hurt.

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Response to johnd83 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:42 PM

9. +1 from another engineer nt

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Response to johnd83 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:48 PM

10. What I tell people who don't want to wear seat belts...

...is this: You can't repeal the laws of physics.

People just don't seem to understand, without a seat belt your little fender-bender in the parking lot can result in bruises, black eyes, broken teeth, and whiplash injuries that may affect you for the rest of your life; whereas with a seat belt on it will be a jarring experience but not much more. And you can multiply that if you have an accident at highway speeds.

How many times do we read the local reports, where those who died at the scene were thrown from the car. Usually that means those persons were not wearing seat belts.

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Response to johnd83 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:03 PM

27. We used to know an Engineer who absolutely refused to wear them.

He was killed in a car crash that he could have walked away from had he been wearing one.

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Response to johnd83 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:14 PM

30. The best arguement is actually for other people

having your seat-belt keeps you secure so you might be able to maintain some control and not hurt others.

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:09 AM

67. I'd Need To See Data On That

And a lot of it. I think the probability of an accident being caused by a loss of control due to not wearing a seatbelt is extraordinarily low.

I weat my belt ALL THE TIME. I have since i got my license in 1972. But, madating it by law is just another excuse for cops to pull people over to see IF their breaking the law.
GAC

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Response to johnd83 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:38 PM

38. + Brazillion

from a former paramedic. I also credit them for having walked away from a recent accident.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:00 PM

43. add another ex medic vote here

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:12 AM

56. +1 from a former EMT

Without a secure belt even a minor parking lot fender bender can do serious, ugly damage.

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Response to johnd83 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:48 AM

49. 2 year engineering degree student for life agrees with you.

It is very simple to understand. There is no reason why someone would not want to wear a seat belt.

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Response to johnd83 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:57 AM

60. Regarding the bike helmets...

... years ago when I first started riding as a young adult, I went to a bike shop to get some accessories. The guy there asked me if I had a helmet, and I kind of jokingly (but not really) said "bike helmets aren't cool, man". He replied "they're a lot cooler than spending the rest of your life in a wheelchair drooling on yourself". I bought a helmet from him, and have never ridden without one since.

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Response to johnd83 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:03 PM

90. currently recovering from auto accident....

i was wearing my seat belt. i think the belt is what broke my ribs ... BUT it prevented me from smashing my face in, knocking my teeth out. no airbags in this vehicle. i got a bump on my forehead and a bloody but not broken nose. no closed head injury, no loss of consciousness.

both knees got rammed into the dashboard (or it into them) and i ended up with stitches in one knee, and the other leg got a broken hip (acetabulum, not the femur luckily). scratches and bruises, but i did not catch on fire even though my car did!

thankful for good samaritans who tried to extinguish the blaze, who smashed my window so i could breathe air not smoke, and pulled me out the back of the vehicle before i myself caught fire ... i could see the flames at my feet under the dash, and some melted plastic got on my shoes.

i always wear seat belts in the front, driver or passenger, but i am lazy about wearing them in the back. i should remedy that.

i think one is very foolish and selfish to not wear seat belts.

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Response to Scout (Reply #90)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:27 PM

92. You were lucky

And yes, seat belts are known in some crashes for rib and collar bone fractures, better than the other effects.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:31 PM

2. If no-one else would be helping to pay for the Emergency Room care, I wouldn't care. But we do.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:35 PM

3. Don't forget long term care for brain damage or disability

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Response to johnd83 (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:46 AM

70. And THAT, for sure.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:36 PM

4. Seatbelts save lives

I never sit in a vehicle without using it.
Thank you Ralph Nader.

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:53 PM

12. +1000

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:38 PM

5. Only Democrats...

I've said too much.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:39 PM

6. I remember when I started using seatbelts regularly for the first time.

Though I used seatbelts fairly regularly I did not use them all the time until 1974, when American cars were made for that model year that would not start unless the seatbelt was fastened. I believe that was the only year that was in effect. Before that sometimes I wore them, sometimes not. After getting my 74 car and owning it for a year or so one day I brought it in for servicing and when I got it back I no longer had to fasten them to start the car but I continued using them anyway. Then I had kids and realized the only responsible thing as a dad to do was wear them (for myself and, of course, the kids too).

It's a good law and, as someone else pointed out, everyone pays for people injured in an accident, so I consider it not only a legal responsibility but also a social and family responsibility to use them.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:41 PM

7. Are you some kind of Naderite?

Because we don't cotton to Ralph Nader around here.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:42 PM

8. As much as I hate wearing them, I do. It's a good law, imho.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:52 PM

11. Any law can now be justified if

the rationale is safety or saving money.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:55 PM

13. That's a law I can l i v e with.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:23 PM

14. I once had a student in a training class, who was maybe 60 years old. Within 1/2 hr. of meeting,

he divulged that several years before, he was holding his infant grandson in his arms during a fender-bender. He was slammed into the dashboard, killing his grandson. He had come for a 2-week class. That man would suffer the rest of his life. Every day. l think of him often. Everyone who was in the car Princess
Di died in -- who was wearing a seat belt -- survived. I wonder if she didn't wear the belt because she didn't want to wrinkle her gown. My oldest son is a bluegrass musician who travelled many miles from the age of 16. I am sure he did not wear the belt on the road. I had to nag him to get him to wear a seatbelt when he was in the car with me. The day his first baby was born, he was belted every time he got in a car.

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Response to morningglory (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:44 PM

18. Not everyone, the only one

the only survivor of that crash was the body guard who was wearing his seat belt.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:24 PM

15. Seatbelts are a wonderful idea and

I wear mine all the time, but I'll put on my flame retardant suit as I say we don't need a law. My pickup truck also has windshield wipers and I turn them on whenever it rains. Should there be a law requiring me to use them too?

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:45 PM

19. There probably is.

I agree - we don't need a law. I wear my seatbelt because I don't care to have my face rearranged by the windshield.

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:20 PM

33. Yes there should be law

My should I die because someone is too stupid to turn on their wipers. We have a law in NY that you must turn your lights on when your wipers are on and we have the "use your wipers" in that you can be ticketed for not using them if you are driving recklessly and a cop sees you.

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:52 AM

50. There is a law in NC that if you are using the windshield wipers, you have to have your

headlights on too. That one was fairly recent, iirc.

http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/

PDF File:
http://www.ncdot.gov/download/dmv/handbooks_NCDL_English.pdf
Page 34 on the right hand side of the page under the heading Rain

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:08 PM

86. That's actually in every state now

AAA lobbied for that. I read an article on it a few years ago.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:27 PM

16. Shouldn't be mandatory

And a person shouldn't be fined if they choose not to wear one.

I feel it should be a choice, not mandated.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:16 PM

31. Fine, but if that person chooses not to wear a seatbelt than insurance should charge...

and pay out accordingly.


Tikki

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Response to Tikki (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:37 PM

37. That's fine (nt)

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:22 PM

35. If someone is not wearing their seat belt in an accident

and it is determined that they lost control because of it; killing other people, can that person receive the death penalty for negligence?

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:37 PM

36. I don't know if they can.

I am against the death penalty in all cases.

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:41 PM

39. My County just put a woman in jail for 17 years...

for killing her teenage daughter while driving drunk. It's a start and negligent driving should carry
a steep penalty, also.


Tikki

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:30 PM

17. I remember when people didn't have to wear seat belts

I remember my friend going through the windshield, spending months in traction and wearing a crazy get up that kept her head immobile for most of her Senior year. And she was the lucky one. My other friend didn't survive. By some strange stroke of luck I walked away from that accident as did the drunk who hit us head-on.

If it takes a law to get people to wear a seat belt so be it.



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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:46 PM

20. How so?

Should there be a law against fattening foods? They can be a killer, too. What about sugar? Why isn't alcohol illegal...it kills people.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:49 PM

23. Drinking in moderation results in a higher life expectancy, in general.

Moderate drinking may lengthen your life, while too much may shorten it, researchers from Italy report. Their conclusion is based on pooled data from 34 large studies involving more than 1 million people and 94,000 deaths.

According to the data, drinking a moderate amount of alcohol — up to four drinks per day in men and two drinks per day in women — reduces the risk of death from any cause by roughly 18 percent, the team reports in the Archives of Internal Medicine.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16173568/ns/health-aging/t/want-live-longer-toss-back-few-cocktails/#.UKwWz4awXro

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:54 PM

24. What about those who don't drink in moderation.

Since they are obviously unable to make a good decision for themselves, shouldn't the government make it for them.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:42 AM

47. The government doesn't license you to eat or drink, but it does to drive.

And a seat belted driver is far more likely to remain in control of a crashed vehicle and will likely require less medical attention. Occupants who are alive are also far better at assisting in determining the cause of the accident. All of these are interests of the licensing agency.

As for drinking, drunkenness in public, and driving while drunk are regulated. You can drive without a seat belt to your hearts content on private land and you can drink yourself into a stupor on private property too. Just don't out in public.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:28 AM

57. not a good analogy. the analogy would be banning driving, not mandating seat

 

belt use.

seat belts are safety devices used while driving, and by all accounts they work very well and are a minimal imposition on personal freedom. facebook & its like, which you "pay" to use by letting corporations spy on you, are way more intrusive, yet few get upset about it. funny.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:06 AM

64. The analogy isn't banning foods, but

banning certain ingredients that are found to be harmful. And that is done all the time.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:48 AM

71. Drunk-driving is.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:23 PM

93. No kidding....

but alcohol use kills if you drink enough. Like I said, any law can get acceptance today if it's about safety and saving money. Saying the seat belt law is good because it keeps people safe is the same as saying the Patriot Act is good because it keeps people safe.

Conservatives are scared of terrorists and liberals are scared of cigarette smoke, transfat and driving without a seat belt.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:46 PM

21. If people were smart, this law would not be needed.

But since so many people are so dumb, this law is necessary. People worry about stuff like terrorist attacks and planes crashing, but the risk of riding in a car without a seatbelt is order of magnitudes higher.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:47 PM

22. Ralph Nader did a good thing there,

seat belts save lives.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:58 PM

25. Take it from me.

I had a head-on crash back in 1980, I did have my lap belt on, but no shoulder belt.

My face smashed the hard plastic steering wheel. (1971 Gremlin)

I still suffer.
Chronic severe headaches, in fact I'm on disability as a result.

Had I had both belts on, I would have had bruises, that's all.

I have no respect for all the stupid, lame excuses for not wearing the belts.
"It's uncomfortable."
I was really uncomfortable after my face was crushed in.

This real dandy, I've heard it a few times, "If the car catches on fire, I won't be able to get out."
You won't be able to get out if your body is all busted up, either.

"My car has airbags."
Which when not properly belted in, those airbags shove your body into car parts that don't give.
Or into other people.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:59 PM

26. California has had the law for years. It saves lives

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:10 PM

28. Mandatory for Democrats.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:11 PM

29. I drove tow trucks for 2 years in Dade & Broward Counties in Florida.. I've seen firsthand, too many

times to count, the results of not wearing seatbelts. I buckle up every time I get in a vehicle, no matter who is driving, and mine doesn't move until everyone is buckled up.. Period.

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:01 AM

51. Mine doesn't move either

until everyone is buckled up.

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:44 AM

54. Ugh, you probably towed my car

For multiple parking citations in Miami Bch

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:11 PM

87. Me too

If you don't buckle up in my car, you don't get to go in my car.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:18 PM

32. I was always a seatbelt fanatic even before one saved my ass

Some people are fools who need to be told what to do so they won't end up on ventilators in skilled nursing facilities depending on the kindness of strangers for the last decades of their lives.

Seatbelt scofflaws are damned fools. Paying fines is just a down payment on what their stupidity will eventually cost the rest of us.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:43 PM

40. Well put.

Especially the ventilator part.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:22 PM

34. There was a story a while back about a guy who refused to wear seat belts...

And often bragged about not wearing one. He might've been in high school? You'd think this story was solely a cautionary tale and not real - but it was. Anyway, one day, he rolled his Jeep, I think it was, and died.

I've worn a seat belt ever since I got my license. I was in a bad accident when I was 16, shortly after buying my first car, and had I not worn my seat belt, I would've been seriously injured. The whole front of the car was essentially taken off and it was scary how lucky I was - but then, I guess it wasn't luck ... just smarts.

Now, if I don't put my belt on, I feel naked. It's second nature.

As for making it mandatory? I don't know. Part of me thinks it's no big deal and it does save lives. Other parts? We're free to be stupid. Unfortunately, those who refuse to wear seat belts are some selfish mother fuckers. Imagine losing a loved one because they failed to wear a seat belt? To me, it's no different than getting behind the wheel drunk - you're essentially saying, "eh". Of course, not wearing your seat belt doesn't put other lives at risk ... but it does set a bad precedence for children.

When it comes to my car, even before the new seat belt laws came into effect here in Utah, if you rode in my car, you wore your seat belt. If you didn't, you had to get out. I'm not going to get into an accident, have you die and then have that whole experience weigh on my conscience. And I guess that mental mind fuck of having to deal with taking another's life is a good reason to make it mandatory. I couldn't imagine how I'd feel if I was in an accident and the person I hit was killed because of their own stupidity. Yeah, it wasn't your fault they weren't wearing their seat belt...but it would still kill you inside ... especially if the accident happened to be your fault.

Don't be selfish, people. Wear a seat belt.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:17 PM

45. Imagine being in an accident

and having someone thrown from another car into your windshield, or in front of your car causing you to run over them.

I agree people who don't wear them are selfish. If they don't care about themselves fine but they should care about others who might have affected by their decision. Pretty much goes for anything in life really. Just part of being a responsible adult.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:49 PM

41. It's idiotic not to use them, but there shouldn't be a law requiring their use

The argument that people should be required to use seatbelts because the rest of us pay for ambulances, emergency rooms, etc. is equivalent to saying that we should have laws forbidding smoking, drinking more than is healthy, eating badly, not exercising, pursuing dangerous sports, and so on.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:42 AM

53. Especially if cops can pull you over just for not wearing one.

That can only lead to increased profiling/fishing-expeditions, just like with alleged texting while driving, which is a stupid thing to do as well, but shouldn't be a primary offense/excuse to pull you over on.

I don't wear my own seat-belt as often as I should, mainly only on long trips when I'm traveling somewhere, but I know I really should, considering most accidents happen within a few miles of your house. I always do at night though, too many drunk drivers on the road. I'm not worried about myself causing an accident so much, I like to think I'm a pretty safe driver. But you have no control over anyone else's vehicle on the road, and if they are impaired or distracted, you can still be a victim even if its not your fault.

Everyone really should buckle up.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #53)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:51 AM

59. That's a good point

I think that in most states they can't pull you over for not wearing a seatbelt. They have to have some other reason.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:52 PM

42. You become a flying projectile without a seatbelt.

You can kill others in the car with you. I watched a movie in high school showing what happens to "dummies" in a crash. I was convinced they were a great idea.

My dad paid the dealer to put seat belts put in our station wagon, when they were first invented.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:02 PM

44. I think people who choose not to wear are sometimes called organ donors.

I'm in favor of the seatbelt laws, especially for children. They produce good results.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:35 PM

46. I am also an engineer and i agree: you are a fool not to wear them.

Also I was in two accidents where I am convinced my shoulder belts saved me from severe injury or death. In one the vehicle was totaled, in the other major damage. My son rolled his car on a rainy night: he walked away, the car was toast.

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Response to s-cubed (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:07 AM

66. Being a fool not to wear them and having a law requiring that are 2 different things.

I'm okay with the seat belt law, but the fact that seat belts prevent injuries is not in dispute and was not what the OP was asking. He was asking about hte law requiring you to wear one.

I'm okay with that. I am NOT okay with the new headrest law because it's extreme and actually prevented me from buying several cars I wanted. But the headrests prevented me from sitting in the driver's seat and looking forward while having my back fully supported.

Both laws, BTW, were passed at the insistence of the powerful insurance co. lobby.

We could really protect everyone and require a Hannibal Lector type gizmo. What about that? You won't be thrown from that car, no matter what! And your face will definitely not hit the steering wheel, even if the airbag malfunctions.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:47 AM

48. I wore my seatbelt 100% of the time before they were mandatory.

I have seen what can happen when someone is not wearing a seatbelt and flies through a tiny hole in the windshield...made by their body flying through said windshield.

1. I hate pain. If I can do something to lessen my chances of experiencing extra pain, I will.
2. I don't want to die that way or any other way associated with car accidents. So, if I can lessen the chances even a little bit, I will.
3. I don't want to live through some horrible car accident and be maimed for life, because I did not at least take that one precaution.
4. I have been given too many compliments on my good looks to leave such a bloodied, mangled, unrecognizable corpse and/or pieces of corpse behind.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:08 AM

52. this is a painful thread

apparently liberals are judgemental authoritarians.

I wonder if Republicans embrace the safety gestapo with such zeal.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:49 AM

55. There should not be a law.

Seatbelts are great, and I never drive without having mine fastened. I happen to live in a state that allows me to ride my motorcycle without wearing a helmet, which kind of puts to lie the "safety" argument. My choice is to always wear a helmet when I ride, though I don't begrudge the person who decides to ride without one.

I'm pro choice.

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Response to cloudbase (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:32 AM

58. For adults, that's their choice. Children, absolutely mandatory. n/t

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:36 AM

69. Yes, for children it should be totally mandatory.

They have no choice in the matter. One of my sister in law's friends died in a car accident recently. A really nice guy, a fireman. Only in his early 30's. He did not have a seat belt on and was hit dead on. His kids survived with some injuries (at 4 and 7) because they had their seat belts on.

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Response to cloudbase (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:01 AM

62. Pro-Choice as well, and for those saying it is about medical costs....

Let's ban drinking, smoking, all fast food, all soda, and if you live in an area with high violent crime rates you are putting yourself at risk as well, so we won't cover expenses from that.

Hell, we should also force people to tell us why they were out driving as well. Is it something you needed to do ? if not you were putting yourself at risk.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:57 AM

61. If you are too stubborn

to wear a seatbelt, you shouldn't be riding in a damn car. There is no excuse for not wearing one. It's inviting severe injury if you get into an accident.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:03 AM

63. What are your thoughts on the new headrests?

They are one and the same, except the new headrest law is extreme, IMO.

They were both passed on the insistence of ins. companies.

I think the seat belt law is okay. I think the prior headrest law was okay, but the new one is outrageous.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:07 AM

65. They Should not Exist

The law requiring babies to be in protective seats is a good law. Babies don't make their own decisions.

If someone chooses not to wear a seatbelt, no matter how stupid i think that decision is, let them.

This is a law that is protecting someone from themselves. It does not serve to protect the greater good and does not add protection to people in the other vehicle.

I hate to be darwinian about this, but maybe this is a way to thin out the herd.
GAC

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #65)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:23 AM

68. Seatbelts do protect the greater good.

Unnecessary medical expenses being part of that good, preserving the lives of a country's citizens is a greater good, and safety is intrinsically a greater good. All of these are a proper humanitarian response to the lives of our fellow citizens. No man, or woman, is an island.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #68)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:52 AM

72. Show Me The Data

Look, i wear a seatbelt 100% of the time, but the "reduces medical cost" is anecdotal. It is no less so than suggesting that in more severe accidents, someone not wearing a seatbelt is more likely to die, therefore lowering medical costs.
GAC

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #72)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:07 AM

75. Why is it ancecdotal?

Seat belts save lives, as the slogan goes.

http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/seatbelts/facts.html

What is the impact of seat belt use?

•Seat belts reduce serious crash-related injuries and deaths by about 50%.5

•Air bags provide added protection but are not a substitute for seat belts. Air bags plus seat belts provide the greatest protection for adults.6

5.National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Final regulatory impact analysis amendment to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 208. Passenger car front seat occupant protection. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration; 1984. Publication no. DOT-HS-806-572. Available at http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pubs/806572.pdf . Accessed December 13, 2010.

6.National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Third report to Congress: effectiveness of occupant protection systems and their use. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration; 1996. Available at http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/airbags/208con2e.html. Accessed December 20, 2010.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #72)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:10 AM

76. .

What he found was that contrary to conventional wisdom, mandating the use of seat belts in 18 countries resulted in either no change or actually a net increase in road accident deaths.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1564465,00.html

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Response to kwassa (Reply #68)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:53 PM

85. So what about enforcing a healthy diet and adequate exercise?

And banning smoking?

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:58 AM

73. I never used seatbelts...

until I had to have my front jawline rebuilt.(Not from an accident but because of a medical condition.) After that all I could picture was smashing into the dash or the wheel and having to go through that agony again.

Seriously, you should wear seatbelts just for science sake. You are traveling in a car that may be hurdling along at 60mph. If that car has to slam on the brakes for any reason, your forward motion will still be 60mph. I will not drive a car anymore if all my passengers are not buckled up... especially since I have MS. It's just too dangerous.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:58 AM

74. Always wear it. It's a no brainer.

And if you are riding with me, you do too. Of course you are also welcome to go "libertarian" and walk instead.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:16 AM

77. I've spoken with first responders.

The mess they find when people don't wear seatbelts could have been avoided if people just buckled up. If people don't think of their families, then at least think about the people who will have to scrape them off the road and be traumatized for the rest of their lives. That's just one of the many reasons to wear them.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:22 AM

78. X Babysitter 20 something in a nursing home

would wear one next time but she will never drive again. Another friends wife who swerved to miss a rabbit on gravel going 15mph and the car rolled on her cutting her leg so badly she almost bled to death in the ditch now swears by one.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:31 AM

79. no problem with the law, but do have an issue with the ones in my car :)

I have nothing against seatbelts or the law making us use them generally, but the ones in my current car are a little over zealous. If I try to look over my right shoulder too quickly the damned thing pins me down, and I can't check my blind spot. Really. Its one thing when you are leaving a parking spot or tooling around in light traffic, but on urban highways with insane merges, forks, interchanges (and really bad drivers), that lack of mobility can be dangerous in and of itself.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:49 AM

80. It has been compulsory for decades in the UK.

Seatbelts saved my grandparents lives...

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Response to Londoncalling (Reply #80)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:29 PM

89. it's been compulsory for decades in the USA as well

I first saw a sign announcing mandatory seatbelts when driving in to Nebraska on my way to my first job in Utah in October 1985. I could not believe it. Such a law HAD to be unconstitutional.

Apparently not though. The Constitution apparently does not give adults the freedom to make their own personal safety decisions. Big Brother makes them for you, and Big Brother says "buckle up". And Big Brother is watching.

So, it has been the law for at least 27 years in Nebraska and from there spread like a cancer across the United States.

Many more safety regulations are in effect on US bases. Going on to a military base is kinda like entering East Berlin when it comes to the safety gestapo. Although, surprisingly bicycle helmets were not required in 1986. Probably within five years, but not in 1986.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:52 AM

81. I find it hard to text and surf with a seatbelt on especially when going 90mph

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:52 AM

82. Air bags cause spine injurys.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:01 PM

83. I support seatbelts

 

But oppose mandatory laws requiring them.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:03 PM

84. I have several anecdotes about safety regulations

- the next door neighbor who was involved in some of the first child safety research that went through emergency room records. I remember the day he came home and took his toddler's very expensive top of the line old style high seat tricycle and put it in the trash. He went out and got her a big wheels instead. The data on head injuries from falls was that strong.

- the family that was devastated when they were in a minor fender bender. Everyone came out fine, except for the two month old baby who was killed. I had my kids in car seats before they were mandated.

- my daughter took her bike across the road and down a long driveway. She started going too fast, panicked, hit the brakes and flipped the bike. She ended up with a ruptured spleen and bruised kidney. Her bike helmet saved her brain and her face -- without it she would have landed on her front lobe and crushed her cheekbones.


So, yeah, when safety regs come down the pike, there's generally a very good reason!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #84)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:15 PM

88. I'm an adult, and ALWAYS wear a bike helmet

Good for you for making sure your kids do.

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Response to MrDiaz (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:05 PM

91. I think compulsory use by the driver and child restraint laws are reasonable.

The former, because drivers do have added control during crashes and near-crashes when belted in, the latter because children can't make the informed choice. I'm also in favor of free distribution of child restraint devices because economics shouldn't be a barrier to child safety.

I also think that strong encouragement for everyone using restraints is just good public policy.


From "The Economic Impact of Motor Vehicle Crashes 2000"
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/809446.PDF

Safety Belt Use
■ In the year 2000, safety belts prevented 11,900 fatalities and 325,000 serious injuries, saving $50 billion
in medical care, lost productivity, and other injury related costs.
■ Safety belt non-use represents an enormous lost opportunity for injury prevention. In the year 2000
alone, over 9,200 persons were killed and 143,000 were injured unnecessarily because they failed to
wear their safety belts, costing society $26 billion.
■ Over the last 26 years, safety belts have prevented 135,000 fatalities and 3.8 million injuries. This
saved society $585 billion in medical care, lost productivity, and other injury related economic costs.
During the same time period, nearly 315,000 additional fatalities and 5.2 million serious injuries could
have been prevented by safety belts if all occupants had used them. This represents an economic loss of
$913 billion in unnecessary expenses and lost productivity.


From "Lives Saved in 2008 by Restraint Use And Minimum Drinking Age Laws"
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811153.PDF

In 2008, the use of seat belts in passenger vehicles saved an estimated 13,250 lives. Seat belts have saved over 75,000 lives during the 5-year period from 2004 to 2008. These annual lives saved counts, shown in Table 1, have been produced by NHTSA’s National Center for Statistics and Analysis since 1975. The counts are estimates that are calculated using the effectiveness of each device or law that is mentioned.

In addition to the 13,250 lives saved in 2008 by seat belts (occupants 5 and older), 2,546 lives were saved by frontal air bags (occupants 13 and older), 1,829 lives were saved by motorcycle helmets, 714 lives were saved by 21-year-old-minimum drinking age laws, and 244 lives (4 and under) were saved by child restraints (child safety seats and lap/shoulder belts). An
additional 4,152 lives would have been saved in 2008 if all unrestrained passenger vehicle occupants 5 and older involved in fatal crashes had worn their seat belts. If all motorcyclists
had been helmeted an additional 823 lives would have been saved.

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