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RomneyLies Nov 2012 OP
Joanie Baloney Nov 2012 #1
Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #2
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #3
Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #5
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #6
gcomeau Nov 2012 #52
RobertEarl Nov 2012 #4
hack89 Nov 2012 #43
librechik Nov 2012 #7
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #9
librechik Nov 2012 #19
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #23
librechik Nov 2012 #28
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #30
Ghost in the Machine Nov 2012 #59
Coyotl Nov 2012 #14
librechik Nov 2012 #24
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #8
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #10
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #11
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #12
Coyotl Nov 2012 #13
Coyotl Nov 2012 #15
banned from Kos Nov 2012 #16
closeupready Nov 2012 #17
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #20
closeupready Nov 2012 #26
RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #18
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #22
regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #46
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #47
banned from Kos Nov 2012 #25
ProSense Nov 2012 #32
banned from Kos Nov 2012 #35
phleshdef Nov 2012 #38
99Forever Nov 2012 #21
ProSense Nov 2012 #29
99Forever Nov 2012 #42
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #27
ProSense Nov 2012 #31
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #33
ProSense Nov 2012 #34
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #37
phleshdef Nov 2012 #39
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #41
phleshdef Nov 2012 #36
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #40
quinnox Nov 2012 #44
bluedigger Nov 2012 #45
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #48
Junkdrawer Nov 2012 #49
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #50
Prometheus Bound Nov 2012 #56
Autumn Nov 2012 #51
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #55
Autumn Nov 2012 #57
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #58
Autumn Nov 2012 #60
Phx_Dem Nov 2012 #53
Coyotl Nov 2012 #54
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #61

Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:12 AM

1. Hmmm

Where is this "interent" that you speak of, Markos? Sounds like fun!


"It's a big interent"

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:13 AM

2. This is not KOS

Are you in charge now?

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:15 AM

3. That is Markos Moulitsas himself posting under the name kos

 

Click the link I posted. Markos DOES NOT put up with this Fraudster conspiracy theory bullshit.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:16 AM

5. As you have posted..How many times now?

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:18 AM

6. This is the first time I have posted this Markos Moulitsas thread.

 

Go back to my history. First time. Markos posted it yesterday. I posted it here for the very first time minutes ago.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:08 PM

52. For cripes sake.

EVERY DAMN TIME someone posts something saying they wish some behavior would be altered, or they wish some people would stop doing some stupid thing, we always have to have the victimization patrol come storming along asking if they're in charge now, or who made them the boss of everyone else...

How do you not comprehend that posting an OPINION saying someone thinks things should be done a certain way is not the same thing as them thinking they're in charge of all of DU?

Grow up.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:16 AM

4. What did you mean by this? Are you a birther?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:24 AM

43. I took it as sarcasm.

hence the rolling eyes smilie.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:18 AM

7. thanks for revealing yourself

now I know to ignore your pre-judging close minded contempt of others' opinions .We don't need that kind of intolerance on DU. Oh, and by the way, don't worry you have LOTS of friends here, who merrily think banning free discussionand hating on controversial opinions is the way to run DU--so you won't miss me.

And the same goes for Markos.

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Response to librechik (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:20 AM

9. I don't think it should be banned

 

It just should be in creative speculation with the contrails and 9/11 truth crap.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:40 AM

19. do you think the investigation of 9/11 was adequate?

I don't.

I read the chief counsel's opinion on the 9/11 commission report--he refused to endorse it due to credibility issues. And that is just the beginning of the problems with the official response to 9/11. I'm not crazy to want a new investigation. I am in the company of thousands of scientists architects and engineers who question the investigation.

Yet here and elsewhere I am labelled an epithet (strange--I want the truth, so I am just as nuts as a birther, who wants to spread lies.) I am grouped into an oppressed class which is labeled as nutty and sent to the dungeon. I don't think that is right on a forum called Underground, where I was led to believe controversy was welcomed and vigorously discussed. That;s how change happens.

But whatever. Lots of liberals nowadays are really into censorship of issues they are afraid of. They probably don't even think about it as an issue of principle. They just don't want to get tainted by "the crazies."There's a range of tolerance here, it's not 100% radical left, as our name would lead you to believe.

Thank goodness I can go discuss the subject with people who have actual expertise in the subject of buildings and fires.I guarantee you those respected and highly educated people at 9/11 Architects and Engineers for Truth don't believe they are crap. And they don't think Truth is a curse.

As for the Rove thing, well, we don't know. But I don't want to have to go looking in the
dungeon for discussion about the subject.

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Response to librechik (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:42 AM

23. Yes, it was adequate.

 

9/11 happened due to the incompetency of a new administration that focused on tax cuts domestically and a cold war mindset on the international scene.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:53 AM

28. Then you are merely a "true believer" in the conspiracy theory Bush wants you to believe.

I would suggest you go educate yourself before you attempt to discuss it--but you've already made up your mind. I feel sorry for you.

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Response to librechik (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:58 AM

30. Man, you fell right into the trap

 

and fully demonstrated the qualities of a conspiracy theorist.

Thanks for outting your CT tendencies.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:44 PM

59. You did, too..

Thanks for outing your closed minded inadequacies and sheeple mind-set

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Response to librechik (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:31 AM

14. Opinions are a dime a dozen. Let's focus on facts and evidence.

Oh wait, wrong story. This one lacks facts and evidence

P.S. Ignore me too please.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:42 AM

24. you betcha!

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:20 AM

8. Hmmm. You want to shut down polite discussion on topics you don't like? How undemocratic of you. nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:21 AM

10. Crap is crap

 

Fraudster CT is crap.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:23 AM

11. If you don't like the topic, don't read the thread. Pretty simple solution, eh? nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:27 AM

12. I have been putting the Fraudsters on ignore

 

Every time I see a thread I insure I bring up the point that the Fraudster crap is conspiracy theory bullshit, and end up putting the Fraudster who posted the CT crap on ignore.

Fraudsters are just like Birthers in the way they tenaciously cling to their bullshit conspiracy theories.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:29 AM

13. The idea is not to shut down discussion, but shut down the BS. Why yes, that's important

and discussion is how to shut down the BS crap. So bravo for the Op and bringing this discussion about!

What is important is that people understand the electoral process and how it really works, that they act with the facts and not based on falsehoods.

So yes, OUT BS at every opportunity!

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:34 AM

15. Thom Hartmann is backing away from this one now.

In an era of internet lulz and digital false flags, we must demand proof for these sort of claims made by Anonymous. ....

Thatís why itís vitally important for Anonymous to release any information or evidence it has about this plot to not just Julian Assange, but to law enforcement authorities as well. Otherwise, the alleged democracy-saving actions of the hacktivist group will instead be regarded as useless internet antics, relegated to the dustbins of history.


Albeit, he still seems to not understand that the whole Anon-to-Rove cheapie video was a fraud.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:35 AM

16. Markos (who I generally support) picks and chooses his CT to allow.

 

For instance he allows whacky Federal Reserve CT.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:37 AM

17. While I agree we need to focus on reality, I do think it's useful

to have discussions about voter fraud and election stealing.

We can't assume that everyone remembers what we remember, and keeping other (younger, primarily) people aware of the means by which elections in the past have either been stolen or else attempts have been made to do so - this is valuable education in, yes, reality - historical reality.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:40 AM

20. The election fraud promoted by the Fraudsters never occurred.

 

In 2000, Bush won primarily due to the efforts of Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush to purge the voter rolls, removing tens of thousands of legitimate African American voters.

In 2004 Ken Blackwell suppressed the Democratic vote by insuring urban Democratic precincts had nowhere near enough voting machines while more rural and suburban Republican precincts had plenty of voting machines. This resulted in voting being a quick and simple process for Republicans while a long, tedious process for Democrats which resulted in tens of thousands of Democrats simply giving up and not voting.

In neither case was election fraud an issue.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:44 AM

26. I think the distinction you and he seek to draw is pedantic for

an internet message board, and the free-wheeling spirit that is best-suited for healthy exchanges of productive ideas. "Election fraud" may not technically be what any of that was about, but it doesn't really matter. As long as people understand and see what happened, THAT is what I see as most valuable - something that helps voters defend against disenfranchisement.

YMMV.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:38 AM

18. Kos is an authoritarian hypocritical asshole- is he allowing discussion of Bengazi?

 


Kos is not a leader, he is a controller.

But he did inspire me....
Wasn't sure whether to believe the Anonymous/Rove story,until the reaction telling us to shut up @it

I can always tell that people are on to something, when a group of people are sent to convince everyone to shut up about it.

Now Kos thinks it's a conspiracy and not worth talking about?

That seals the deal.

Kos is an authoritarian and won't let anyone talk about 9/11 either.

But posters are allowed to discuss Benghazi and what did or did not happen, who was responsible, who didn't read the warnings.

Many limited hangout 'Democrats' (like Kos who was Republican/CIA?) are misleading the party.

If it weren't for 'Democracts" trying to hold the party back and misdirect, we would have solved the problems of our election systems by now.

He was of no use in prior incidents of election fraud, why would anyone value his opinion now?

Kos has to be an utter moron(or a set up) to believe our elections with secret software should not be questioned.

And the behavior of Rove, the obvious manufactured consent by the media about to cover up a stolen election...the media and GOP were behaving very strangely...but we should just not analyze that at all. yeah, their polls were just way off. Sure. Nothing to see here folks, you can trust 'Dem' blogger Kos.

The best 'argument' the people who tell us to shut up about it have.... If you point out that they might have tried to steal it, that takes away from Obama's win and the hard work. How fucking stupid is that? Anonymous was trying to prevent everyone's time and hard work from being wasted. Duh!!

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Response to RepublicansRZombies (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:41 AM

22. Yes, Markos is PART OF THE CONSPIRACY or a MORON

 

This is always the reaction of the conspiracy theorist when they get called on the wackiness of the conspiracy theory.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:53 AM

46. It reminds me of the old saying...

..."the total absence of any evidence of a conspiracy only proves the conspiracy is working."



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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #46)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:56 AM

47. Exactly

 

I've been arguing the same tautological bullshit the Fraudsters use with Birthers for four years now.

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Response to RepublicansRZombies (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:44 AM

25. Kos is right - there is no evidence of election fraud

 

How did Obama narrowly win Florida with a known corrupt Governor who was actively influencing voter turnout? Why not direct his GOP SoS to just fix that close election for Romney?

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:03 AM

32. Is this a contradiction

of your previous comment: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021855237#post16

Doesn't Kos get to make the rules on his own site?

I mean, there are rules here too, see creative speculation. And some CT are even too crazy for that forum.




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Response to ProSense (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:09 AM

35. sure he does. Kos is sole arbitor of what is CT if he wants to be.

 

By the way my UID is so low there I apparently got unbanned (something did it). Doesn't matter really. We won (the pro-Obama Kos crowd).

(full disclosure)

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Response to RepublicansRZombies (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:13 AM

38. No, anyone that buys the alleged Anon statement is the total moron.

Anyone that reads that and believes that ORCA, something that amounts to nothing more than an emailed pdf generated from a database of voter strike lists, has any connection whatsoever with state e-voting tabulation systems, needs to get off the internet and go learn how things actually work before ever getting back on it.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:41 AM

21. Who?

Another internet nobody spews his opinion as if it's gospel.

What the fuck has "Markos Moulitsas" done to insure the integrity of the vote count?


Answer:

Not a fucking thing.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:55 AM

29. You should read

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Response to ProSense (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:22 AM

42. And you should...

... stop assuming things about other people, but you won't.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:45 AM

27. I'll say one thing for this issue, it's letting the authoritarians all show their true colors

And Markos is nothing if not an authoritarian.

Authoritarians cannot stand either Anonymous or Occupy, they are both irresistible targets for those sorts.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:59 AM

31. Oh, the hypocrisy.

I said Anonymous should release the evidence and the "authoritarians" came out in force.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021842950

I guess they only like it when they're giving the orders.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:04 AM

33. You're denying Markos is an authoritarian?

Good luck with that.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:06 AM

34. No, I neither denied or confirmed it. I pointing out hypocrisy,

but you knew that.



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Response to ProSense (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:12 AM

37. I have no idea one way or the other about Anonymous and the election

I'm actually leaning toward thinking it's mostly bullshit.

But rather than attacking Rove I see all the authoritarians lining up to take what they think is a surreptitious bash at Anonymous, the *real* enemy of authoritarians.

Too bad Occupy wasn't part of this, the level of prim clucking from the authoritarians would drown out Niagara Falls


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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:15 AM

39. I'm not bashing Anonymous. I don't even believe they wrote that statement.

Its too full of techno-babble that makes absolutely no sense. Anyone who is a real hacker wouldn't even try to pretend that statement about ORCA and all that had any merit behind it.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #39)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:22 AM

41. You might not be but plenty of others are..

Sadly, DU has no lack of authoritarians.

For the most part it's the same cast of characters hollering about Anonymous as hollered about Occupy, only the verbiage has changed slightly.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:11 AM

36. I'll say another thing for this issue, it's letting the technically illiterate embarass themselves.

Kos is doing the right thing here. People pushing this alleged Anon statement are embarassments and they are too fucking ignorant to realize it. Anyone with a drop of IT knowledge can read that Anon (again I say alleged, because I don't believe real hackers wrote it, they would know better) statement and realize its bullshit immediately.

It has nothing to do with authoritarianism and everything to do with intellectual honesty and stopping the spread of embarassingly ignorant bullshit.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:15 AM

40. Nah, I don't even believe this crap and I can see what the motivation is..

It doesn't play into the Democratic party establishment story well so of course it's going to be painted as bullshit, whether it is or not makes no difference at all.

Benghazi for the pragmatic moderate centrists.



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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:25 AM

44. What a little twerp

 

Heck, I even tend to agree with him but writing this crap is just being a little pipsqueak. It makes me want to slap Markos silly, reading that shit and the tone he uses.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:36 AM

45. Congrats on your one month anniversary at DU.

I expect you will find many more improvements that need to be made here with further experience.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:57 AM

48. Thank you. n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:59 AM

49. Markos Moulitsas has always opposed auditing electronic voting....

I do not. In fact, I think it's crazy we do not.

It's also why I don't post on his site.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:02 PM

50. Re: Penultimate paragraph~~One can hold two thoughts.......

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #50)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:35 PM

56. Yep, that paragraph puts him in the bonehead camp.

The straw man fallacy.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:06 PM

51. Has it been proved that Rove didn't have a plan to steal the election?

I would like to see that proof. Until it is proved I don't see why it can't be discussed on a discussion board.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #51)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:24 PM

55. You have just engaged in the Negative Proof Fallacy

 

Until there is evidence that Karl Rove did have a plan to steal any election, there is no need for discussion.

Requiring the proof of a negative is one of the oldest logical fallacies in existence.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #55)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:40 PM

57. We have seen Rove in action and know what he is

capable of. It's a discussion board, you know, where people discuss things. And I really don't give a flying flip about your negative proof fallacy, if you say he didn't do it then where's your proof he didn't do it? You are demanding proof that he did or people should just STFU. So I say to you. Where is your proof he didn't?

" no need for discussion" My ass, this is a discussion forum. When Skinner says it's crazy talk, then and only then is it crazy talk.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #57)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:41 PM

58. Your reaction is typical behavior of conspiracy theorists

 

thank you for confirming my suspicions.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #58)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:53 PM

60. Tell you what. Since you like Moulitsas ban on this, go over there and don't talk about it.

Problem solved. You certainly are welcome.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:13 PM

53. Kos is a twit.

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Response to Phx_Dem (Reply #53)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:18 PM

54. Markos is a genius, Rove is a TWIT.

What size is your domain?

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:21 PM

61. I Like KOS. Markos can rub people the wrong way at times.

Rove is a criminal.

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