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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:02 PM

Anonymous, Karl Rove and 2012 Election Fix? - Thom Hartmann/Truth-Out

Anonymous, Karl Rove and 2012 Election Fix?
Monday, 19 November 2012 16:02
By Thom Hartmann and Sam Sacks , The Daily Take | News Analysis

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At around 11:25 pm EST on election night, Karl Rove knew something had gone terribly wrong.

Minutes earlier, Fox News called the key battleground state of Ohio for President Obama, sealing his re-election. But as the network took live shots of jubilant Obama supporters celebrating their victory camped outside the Obama re-election headquarters in Chicago, Karl Rove began building a case against the call his employer network had just made.

Rove explained that when Fox called Ohio, only 74% of the vote was in showing President Obama with a lead of roughly 30,000 votes. But, as Rove contended, with 77% reporting according to the Ohio Secretary of State office, the President’s lead had been slashed to just 991 votes.

“We gotta be careful about calling the thing,” Rove said, “I’d be very cautious about intruding in on this process.”

Rove was supremely confident that the numbers coming in from Ohio throughout the night that favored President Obama weren’t indicative of who would win Ohio when all the votes were ultimately tabulated by the state's computers. With a quarter of the vote still out there, Rove was anticipating a shift to the Right just after 11 pm, which, coincidentally, is exactly what happened in 2004.


That year, John Kerry and the entire nation were watching Ohio just after the 11pm hour. Florida had just been called for George W. Bush and according to the Electoral College math whoever won Ohio would win the election. And considering that exit polls from the state showed John Kerry with a substantial lead, there were a lot of tense moments for Karl Rove and the Republicans that night.

Then the clock struck 11:14pm, and the servers counting the votes in Ohio crashed. Election officials had planned for this sort of thing to happen and already contracted with a company in Chattanooga, Tennessee called SMARTech to be the failsafe should the servers in Ohio go down.

As journalist Craig Unger lays bare in his book, Boss Rove, SMARTech was drenched in Republican politics. One of the early founders of the company was Mercer Reynolds who used to the finance chairman of the Republican Party. SMARTech’s top client was none other than the Bush-Cheney campaign itself and SMARTech also did work for Jeb Bush and the Republican National Committee. And it was Ohio’s Republican Secretary of State, Ken Blackwell, who ensured that SMARTech received the contract to count votes on election night should the servers go down, which they did at exactly 11:14pm.

Sixty long seconds later the servers came back up in Ohio, but now with vote rerouted through SMARTech in Chattanooga. And, coincidentally, Bush’s prospects for re-election were suddenly a lot brighter. The vote totals that poured into the system from SmartTECH's computer in Chattanooga were flipping the exit polls on their head. The lead Kerry had in the exit polls had magically reversed by more than 6%, something unheard of in any other nation in the developed world, giving Bush the win in Ohio and the presidency for another four years.

Unger further explains in his book that the only independent analysis of what happened in Ohio was done by Richard Hayes Phillips and published in the book, Witness to a Crime. Phillips and his team analyzed more than 120,000 ballots, 127 polls books, and 141 signature books from Ohio’s 2004 election.

Phillips found zero irregularities in vote totals from all the counties that reported results before the servers crashed at 11:14pm. But of the fourteen counties that came in after the crash connected Ohio's election computers to SmartTECH's computers in Chattanooga, every single one of them showed voter irregularities - that all favored George W. Bush.

For example...

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More: http://truth-out.org/news/item/12845-anonymous-karl-rove-and-2012-election-fix


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Reply Anonymous, Karl Rove and 2012 Election Fix? - Thom Hartmann/Truth-Out (Original post)
WillyT Nov 2012 OP
rainy Nov 2012 #1
madokie Nov 2012 #3
Coyotl Nov 2012 #44
madokie Nov 2012 #98
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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:06 PM

1. I absolutely believe this! nt

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Response to rainy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:19 PM

3. I do

I'm hoping this is the beginning of an end to the unverifiable electronic voting machines.

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Response to madokie (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:10 AM

44. I DO NOT! And, there are false statements in the article. They make a case on a LIE.

Servers don't count votes, FCS!!

Don't these people know the simplest thing about elections and technology?
Since they do not, they shouldn't be making stuff up based on their false understandings.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:13 AM

98. I don't mean to be ugly but could you be a little naive concerning this issue

We know that electronic vote machines have been found to flip votes and no telling what all these numbers went through during the time after the server went down. I'll believe that rove is capable and will do what ever he needs to win, I've seen it before. I also believe that the puke party operatives will pretty much do the same to gain control.
False statements or not I don't think you or any one else has given us evidence that supports your take on this.
Generally when I see smoke I find fire. What I'm saying is if someone is so adamantly trying to shoot down a popular thought, many times it turns out that the shooter was wrong all along. Enough times for me to take pause
At any rate you believe what you want and I'll believe what I want.
Peace
have a good day

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Response to rainy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:41 PM

20. Don't know if Anonymous had anything to do with it but . . .

. . . It seems SofS Husted saw results from other states coming in unexpectedly for the President, and knowing hundreds of poll watcher and Dem attorneys' eyes were on him and Ohio, ditched his and Rove's plans to use the software patches he had installed a few days earlier to switch votes to Romney because Ohio's results were suddenly not going to be as decisive as once thought. He probably also mulled over the thought of whether it was worth going to jail for Rove's fat ass.

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Response to brush (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:55 AM

27. After reading and seeing the Anon stuff I am partially convinced that they just might have had .....

a part in this. Just watching Rove go banana's and insist that Fox Snooze had to wait on Ohio......................hmmmmmmmm. What did he think he knew that others didn't?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:19 PM

2. Thom Hartmann video below





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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:21 PM

4. The Conclusion:

So might this have really been the reason for Karl Rove’s shock on election night? Under the guise of sophisticated get out the vote operation, had Rove and the Republican Party actually built up a massive system to steal the Ohio election, just like in 2004, only to have it thwarted at the last minute by a group of computer hackers?

If this is true, then the implications are enormous and could take down the entire Republican Party and finally wake Americans up to the fact that our privatized vote system is shockingly flawed and insecure.

In their press release, Anonymous concludes, “We have a warning for Karl – sail again at your own peril. We may just put all the evidence into a tidy little package and give it to a painfully bored nemesis hanging out in a certain embassy in London.”

In an era of internet lulz and digital false flags, we must demand proof for these sort of claims made by Anonymous. But given Karl Rove’s history with elections in Ohio and the known vulnerabilities with our corporate owned electronic voting machines, there may be both smoke and fire with these election night allegations.

That’s why it’s vitally important for Anonymous to release any information or evidence it has about this plot to not just Julian Assange, but to law enforcement authorities as well. Otherwise, the alleged democracy-saving actions of the hacktivist group will instead be regarded as useless internet antics, relegated to the dustbins of history.


Same as OP.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:41 PM

8. I agree that if indeed Anonymous did this service, they should produce the

evidence of the fruits of their labour. I really do feel that orange is much more flattering colour for Rove

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Response to WillyT (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:57 PM

12. Thanks, and

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Response to WillyT (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:26 PM

102. Excellent--thank you for this. If there is proof, SHOW IT! And lets the chips fall where

they may.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:26 PM

5. I'll say this again.

If you believe that Rove telegraphs his feelings that easily, you watch too much television.

In TV Land, the only way to imply a character's feelings is to show them visibly.

In Reality Land, if the fix was in, Rove would not give a shit what Fox News said.

This fantasy that some super-secret cyber agency swooped in and saved is -when all that has been released so far is technobabble that makes no sense- is a sad note on the gullibility of some.

DU is better than this. We won this election because of who we are.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:40 PM

7. Did You Read Post #4 ??? - This Was What ProSense Was Wanting... Me Too...


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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:41 PM

9. We won an election because of who we are in 2004, too

and it was stolen from us in Ohio. And for Ohio to credibly go for his boy at the last second again this time, Rove would need for at least one of the networks (in this case, his) to refrain from calling it until the bogus vote count came in.
Hey, it's all technobabble to me, too. That doesn't necessarily make it bullshit.

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Response to radiclib (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:48 PM

11. I'm in IT. The technobabble DOES mean it's bullshit.

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Response to randome (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:00 PM

14. Just cyber-crime

Rove tried to steal something and he got blocked. Happens all the time. Duh!

Of course if one believes Bush won Ohio in 2004 then the denial runs deep and really there is no use trying to talk sense into such deniers, right?

Obama won. Just like Kerry did in 2004. Only this time.....

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:13 AM

45. The aliens were trying to conquer Earth and I blocked them

I didn't make a video and send it to a site with a donate button, but I did save the planet.

The proof, you say. Well, that's obvious, the planet isn't ruled by aliens, now is it!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:11 AM

79. Wow!

You really are THE all-knowing technowhiz, the likes of which the world has never seen before!

It's an honor to meet the smartest IT genius there is.

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Response to randome (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:04 PM

15. OK then

You say it's "technobabble", and you're in IT. Case closed.

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Response to randome (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:47 AM

25. So, you are "in" IT and you declare "it's bullshit", therefore it must be so. Whew, I feel so much

better.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:00 AM

28. Believe Me... I've Worked In IT... They Ain't All That Bright...



They think they are.. but...

Not so much.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:36 AM

32. There's a lot of win in this post.

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:44 AM

34. But you'll believe an anonymous email on the Internet. Brilliant.

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Response to randome (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:15 AM

47. Don't you mean a FAKED Anon e-mail?

Let's be frank here. This is all about VR getting donations!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:17 AM

48. But the email SAYS Anonymous so how can we doubt it?

Or VR or whatever the fuck it says.

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Response to randome (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:33 AM

59. We can doubt it because it was sent to Velvet Revolution instead of anywhere else

Think about it. Isn't that about the most obscure place on the web to announce something like this.
But, they are know for doing things like this in the past, attention grabs I mean.

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Response to randome (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:30 AM

84. I dont claim to "believe" any such thing. But I dont deny that it could happen either.

I only ask that you try to keep an open mind and stop trying to stymie the discussion with ridicule like your "brilliant" comment.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:30 PM

18. Lots of DEMs are in IT.... it takes brains and patience and willingness to work.

So if any of us were so inclined, and it would take some on the fringe, some who are closer on the continuum toward anarchy than most law abiding liberals are to do some of the things that would have been done.... or government hackers posing as such....

It doesn't really matter, those 39 patches at the last minute and the determined way Republican Secretary of State Jon Husted did everything in his power to hinder early voting shows something was up.

As far as Rove's outburst he KNEW things weren't going to be as easy this time as they were before. He "could have" been having a bit of trouble keeping it together. After all the rethugs have a habit of eating their own.

Year after year of rigging elections. Getting busted so quickly when they re-hired the guys who punked the voter registrations before. 3 lawsuits in Ohio hamstringing their hand picked SEC of State. NATO observers on the ground. We weren't making it easy at all and THIS year cost them MORE in EVERY WAY.

I don't care if Anonymous actually did it or not. SOMEBODY stopped Ohio from being hacked. Maybe it was the lawsuits, maybe those 39 patches actually got pulled or didn't work the way they were supposed to - however it happened the obvious intent of the Ohio Sec of State Jon Husted to deliver Ohio to Robme FAILED.

Ohio actually got to VOTE this time. THAT is what matters to me.




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Response to Tigress DEM (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:18 AM

49. You don't care if there are facts because you believe "SOMEBODY stopped Ohio from being hacked"

Don't you realize how ridiculous that is? Was it only Ohio. Did they stop other states too? Think about it. It all falls apart if you think a little tiny bit.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #49)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:35 PM

99. Doesn't your attitude amount to assuming the circumstances are innocent until proven "guilty"?

You are mixing your frameworks, seems to me. Persons are innocent until proven guilty, but for moral, not logical, reasons. There's enough evidence to suspect something hinky with this election, but you want to shut down (shout down) any investigation. What motivates you?

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Response to bigmonkey (Reply #99)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:08 PM

100. I want investigation and I want to know who is behind this

Circumstances are always innocent, only the people are guilty

When you say, "There's enough evidence to suspect something hinky with this election" I'm certain you are not referring to the video. But, i would like to see the evidence, and so would the DoJ, the USAs, and your local DA. Better get to it.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #100)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:01 PM

103. You are asserting that the situation is harmless unless proven dangerous.

Icons aside, your attitude is strangely insistent that there's nothing to see here. What do you mean by "I want investigation and I want to know who is behind this?" You want proof before investigation - that's both impractical and illogical.

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Response to bigmonkey (Reply #103)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:04 PM

104. 'Evidence', not 'proof'.

That's required before accepting anything at face value.

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Response to randome (Reply #104)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:24 PM

105. Your criteria for "evidence" seem vague and changeable.

I think you conflate evidence, proof, and fact, and refuse to clarify. It's a good rhetorical technique, but I think it's a pretty deceptive one.

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Response to bigmonkey (Reply #105)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:06 PM

111. It's easy with our instant access to media to want things to clarify, maybe it's just frustration

On the one hand, I can see the perspective that if the Anonymous group really can show how Rove and Ohio Sec of State were cheating, then some people really would like to see these repeat offenders suffer some consequences for their actions and with proof get convicted and be taken out of the equation during the next election cycle.

On the other hand, I can see the perspective of not wanting to get hopes up or feeling angry when Anonymous says that they prevented the election tampering at the possible loss of real justice because to "catch them in the act" they would have had to let it happen again, and then we'd have no way to stand against them because the rethugs would be in power.

I think as DEMS we are so over extended and SO TIRED of the lies, that it would be a relief to pin some honest to goodness rethuglican caught in the act to the wall and make them sing. My sense is that people on our side have worked so hard to win and to make justice possible but we have the right wing creeps turning things around and acting like WE didn't even win. It's got people a little slap happy.

At least that's my take on the ones I've had time to read.



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Response to Coyotl (Reply #100)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:54 PM

109. The COOL thing about DEMS is Diversity and the ability to multi-task.

We are all motivated by different aspects of this issue.

I SAY that Anonymous is an ally until proven otherwise, and I'm more concerned with making 2014 and even LARGER landslide, even HARDER to steal and frankly I'd rather spend time working on Election REFORM so that we wouldn't NEED anyone like Anonymous to intervene - if they did.

What seemed suspicious, "hinky" to me was the behavior of yet ANOTHER Secretary of State trying to corrupt the Election Process. It seemed "hinky" to the lawyers who filed lawsuits and the courts that upheld them too.

HIM I'd like to see do jail time. He swore an oath to uphold the law and instead he perverted it.

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Response to bigmonkey (Reply #99)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:44 PM

108. What motivates me is that WE WON. We have work to do going forward.

I'd really like the whole truth at some point in time, but I'm more concerned about holding our Congress Critters feet to the flame and taking advantage of the fact that WE DID WIN.

I know there are other factors that contributed to shutting down the cheating that was going on. 3 lawsuits. LOTS of witnesses and halfway decent coverage if not in the MSM then on social media where myself and so many others told our family that lying and cheating is no way to win an election.

Whatever Anonymous did or did not do they will prove or won't. IF it contributed, then it STILL wouldn't have mattered if we hadn't gone balls to the wall and gotten every possible vote out there that we could. 2014 needs to be an even BIGGER landslide. Not just a MANDATE but a fricken BODY SLAM of the party of obstruction.

MY MOTIVATION IS THAT WE WON DESPITE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, APPARENT ELECTION TAMPERING AND COUNTLESS HOURS OF FREEPER EFFORT TO THWART THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

My motivation is to DO IT AGAIN in 2014. I want to knock these bullies back so far they have to pick up their teeth in 3rd grade. (Metaphorically speaking of course.)

IF all Anonymous has is powerful head game against Karl Rove, I say let them play on WHILE WE KEEP working the DEM process to the hilt and steam roll over these oppositional - defiant, snot - nosed, whining bullies now that we have them down on the ground knowing who is the boss and keeping it that way.

THE BEAT DOWN IS NOT OVER. Analyze later.

THAT'S MY MOTIVATION.

Thanks for asking!!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #49)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:32 PM

107. I CARE about facts. However, in cases like these so much is impossible to know for sure.

EVEN if all Anonymous did was mess with Rove's mind, I am happy that Rove got a little bit back for all the crap he's given the American people.

Anonymous MAY have proof and then the facts will be on their side.

I don't have the proof one way or the other, so I am focusing on what I do know. Things were going down hill fast. The rethugs were TRYING to pull the same crap they did before BUT IT DIDN'T WORK.

With all the work that is still yet to be done, the most important fact to me is that OHIO got to actually vote this time. It's something they as a state and as communities all over the state have worked very hard for and deserve.

I was worried up to the last moment that some shady work would undo all the honest effort on the part of so many. It's happened before.

There is so much to do between now and 2014 and every important milestone in between. The rethugs won't give up and there isn't a lot of time to rest and get all investigative on an issue that actually turned out ok for us. The priority is forward movement and keeping the momentum and making it work for US.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:34 PM

6. K & R

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:47 PM

10. MUST READ, MUST SEE stuff! ... Recommended bigtime!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:58 PM

13. feasible

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:53 PM

22. I think it feasible.

Anon putting out the "warning" to Rove prior was a gamble in a way. Makes me tend to believe it might have been the truth given Rove's reactions on election night and also how long it took Romney to concede. If Rove's plan actually was foiled (if true), they would have been shitting their pants back in the room wondering who knew.

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Response to glinda (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:20 AM

51. Putting out the warning makes it seem all the more like a CON JOB.

If you were going to try to interfere with a plan, would you warn the person that the interference was coming. That would endanger your ability to interfere!

I can't believe how gullible people are when it can be so easy to see right thru this stuff.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:21 AM

31. agree it's feasible, and kind of delightful, or at least interesting

and even if it's not true... who knows? Karl and his
friends are the only ones who know for sure, and they're
not talking.

The existence of Anonymous will be a nerve-wracker for
anybody in league w/electronic thieves of the Rovian sort.

I love the dramatic language, this is the first time
I'd read it.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:00 AM

71. IMHO There Are Two People/Sides That Can Verify Whether This Is A Conspiracy Theory Or Not.........

As you say - Karl and his friends - and the other being - Anon

Anon can - if they wanted to - provide some proof that they intervened and prevented the election from being stolen - or - they can deny that the letter going around that they intervened - is from them.

I doubt that Anon would do either because either way they might risk outing themselves if they provided some proof or they would lose some fans if they said the letter was not from them. As it is now - they could bask in the illusion that they intervened even if they didn't.

I guess Rove can come clean and say that he is an evil genius but that he was just outsmarted by Anon - I doubt that he'd do that and implicate himself - or - he would cause people to think that maybe he's just not as smart as people think he is.

I suppose he can go on Fox and explain his election night meltdown better - but I doubt that he would do that because it might look like he's trying to cover something up.

So I think we're at kind of a stalemate now.

So I say - let people believe what they want to believe about this as it makes everybody happy.

Or we can hope that some interested third party - like some journalists ala Woodward and Bernstein (Watergate) - fully investigate the happenings surrounding this and come up with some answers for us.

Has anyone heard from Husted since the election? Has he made any statements or is he lying low?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:04 PM

16. K&R

Thanks for posting.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:30 PM

17. Hubris is universal

it can and will have its way with those that invite it into their lives.

Anonymous is a very diverse and amorphous group of people from one moment to the next. Any one of us might represent the general ideology behind it at any given time and thus actually be a part of it.

The dedicated constituency of the given moment may well have had some influence either psychologically or electronically. If you deny that possibility then you are ignorant.

I am just as jubilant at the turnout for PBO as anyone. I am also as distrustful of GOP shadow lurkers as anyone can be.

Anonymous is made up of all kinds of people...some of them who idolize super-heroes and know full well that the only way to really be one is through their electronic powers.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:40 PM

19. The truth will be released in 24 business hours!

The only way DU can cope with winning an election is by constructing an elaborate conspiracy theory to explain why it wasn't able to be stolen.

Incredible silliness going on here.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:46 PM

21. This crap is the birtherism of the left. n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:48 AM

26. Glad to see a Democrat with an open mind. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:48 AM

37. Glad to see a Democrat with a double standard

 

If you REALLY believed the vote hacking conspiracy theories, you would have been all over these boards demanding support for Allen West's recount efforts because he was claiming exactly the same wild conspiracy theories about voting machines being hacked in his race in Florida.

But you didn't. so you only believe the conpsiracy theory bullshit when it is convenient and supports your world view, demonstrating it is nothing but conspiracy theory bullshit.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:51 AM

39. Whoa!

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:26 AM

81. Pleaz dont speak for me. If you have a valid argument then present it.

I dont BELIEVE conspiracy theories. And I am not a denier, either. I try to keep an open mind.

First of all I believe there are conspiracies. Life is full of conspiracies. I know that makes life a little harder but that's what I BELIEVE.

Karl's job is to conspire, and specifically to conspire to "win" elections. He was given a shit load of money and I dont believe he used it to make yard signs.

I believe the election was stolen in 2000.

I believe the election was stolen in 2004.

After each of those events there were those that adamantly denied that the elections were stolen. And it isnt enough to just disagree with those that suspected, but the deniers find it necessary to use ridicule to try to shut down discussion. Like calling those that suspect something went wrong, Conspiracy Theorists, as if that is a bad name. Now more and more evidence is being presented showing exactly how those elections were stolen.

The Republicans choose Rmoney as their candidate knowing that he wasnt popular. I believe they choose him because they could control him easier than someone more moderate. And they were told not to worry about the election results, Rove was on it.

Some of the events, computer systems going "down", were the same as what happened in 2004. Coincidence? Maybe.

Rove was visibly shaken when Ohio didnt flip.

I do not know what happened and therefore dont BELIEVE in any specific theory. But I do BELIEVE that the Republicans know they cant win on their merits. I do BELIEVE they have tons of money and think that money can buy anything, even an election. I do BELIEVE that they would steal an election if they could. I also BELIEVE our electronic voting system is vulnerable to tampering.

None of the above paragraph would apply to Allen West.

I would hope you would keep an open mind and not try to disparage those that dont agree with you.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #81)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:35 AM

86. Nope, you are typical of the vote hacking conspiracy theorists.

 

Every sign is demonstrated by your post.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #86)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:04 AM

93. And you think that calling me a "vote hacking conspiracy theorist" is somehow

a decent way to discuss an issue. Seems to me that you might be over compensating by being sooo adamant that you are right and those that disagree are somehow less and need to be ridiculed.

But I dont mind being called a conspiracy theorist because conspiracies happen and denial is a long river in Eqypt.

I do not care to continue this dialog in which your input is limited to attempts at ridicule.

Have a nice holiday season (no sarcasm intended)

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:01 AM

30. Ah. It isn't.

Birtherism, for one thing, isn't a felony.

Lotta Republicans have jail-time exposure here if we do not allow ourselves to be belittled or cowed by false equivalencies to ridiculous foibles.

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Response to aquart (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:47 AM

33. I keep telling them that this behavior is offensive, but they don't seem to care.

 

Making mocking comments about people who are expressing righteous concern about voting integrity is so incredibly offensive to me that I can hardly control my disgust.

I'm very glad to see others pushing back against this abhorrent behavior.

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Response to reusrename (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:49 AM

38. Where was your "righteous concern" when Allen West spewed the same CT bullshit about his race?

 

Ah, I see. As with all conspiracy theorists, it only applies to your personal world view.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:24 AM

80. Another false equivalency.

Why are you so protective of Rove and Co?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #80)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:34 AM

85. And the final refuge of the conspiracy theorist is revealed

 

Those who point out the folly of the conspiracy ARE PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #85)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:44 AM

87. Don't know.

Are you?

Or are you channeling Peewee Herman?


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Response to 99Forever (Reply #80)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:08 AM

94. The poster is protecting the voting machines. The question those so inclined like to dodge is why

Who is against open and independently verifiable voting? A bunch of people for some reason.

Their proof that all is well relies completely on circumstantial evidence and really not even that but rather proof by more plausible story. More than that it is evidence by official story, if so and so says then that is what happened. This despite certain knowledge that so and so lies all the fucking time about big and small.

The segment that is so adamant about this stuff, makes me wary too. Do they think these machines help them in some way?

I don't believe anything, I don't have enough data to know. Votes are quantifiable, they should be knowable. The voting process should be transparent as should tabulation. Those that steer the argument from those facts in the name of some silly campaign against "woo" are full of shit or seriously misguided.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #94)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:31 AM

97. Yessir.

I don't trust 'em as far as I can throw the Empire State Building. I have SEEN voting "machines" hacked. (in demonstrations of how it's done) It isn't that difficult, even a non-techie could handle it. What I haven't seen, is even the tiniest bit of effort by those that actually COULD do something to protect OUR voting process, do a damn thing. So, fuck 'em, if they won't, and more power to Anonymous, if they did. Don't know if that's what happened, but it sure appears to be.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:59 AM

91. Link please.

 

I am not aware of him making any such claim.

If there's evidence in his precinct totals of electronic vote flipping (which I have not heard anything about, by the way) then his constituants should go to court. I'll see if I can get someone to look at West's returns.

I'm pretty sure your just making stuff up now, for what purpose I can only guess.

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Response to aquart (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:29 AM

35. Yes, it really is

 

It's Alex Jones level conspiracy theory bullshit.

The mindset that pushes this shut is exactly like the birthers.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:58 PM

23. Just to be fair

There was a point after FOX called Ohio that Obama was down 2,000 votes in Ohio. He lasted like 15 seconds

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:10 AM

24. "something unheard of in any other nation in the developed world"

The whole shebang is hackable - no question!

It HAS been done. Some just do not want to believe it (or don't want YOU to believe it).

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:01 AM

29. What system was Rove looking at the other night when he remarked that the data page wouldn't refresh

? nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:20 AM

50. The Ohio SOS election results page

 

Traffic overwhelmed it for a bit there as Ohio approached being called, thus some requests were dropped.

Happens all the time to web pages. Happened here many times before the site went to DefCon 4 election night.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:36 AM

36. Yep. They 11 p.m. witching hour didn't work out so well for dough boy.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:51 AM

40. No, no, no!! Conspiracies DO NOT exist! This could NOT have happened! Why? Because....

...the skeptics say so, that's why!

The skeptics want us all to believe there has never been a conspiracy of any kind throughout history. That must be true because "they" tell us it is.

JMHO, the article did very well explaining what may have happened in Ohio until the final paragraph, which reads as follows:

"That’s why it’s vitally important for Anonymous to release any information or evidence it has about this plot to not just Julian Assange, but to law enforcement authorities as well. Otherwise, the alleged democracy-saving actions of the hacktivist group will instead be regarded as useless internet antics, relegated to the dustbins of history."

Newsflash for the writers of this article: Anonymous is just that, "ANONYMOUS". Why is that such a strange concept to so many people who profess to have the minimum requirement of rudimentary brainwaves? The shadowy "they" are NEVER going to provide proof of any kind that may provide a breadcrumb trail to who they really are. NEVER. Give it up.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #40)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:52 AM

41. If they can send an anonymous email, they can send a printout of the code they found.

It's that simple, Sherlock.

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Response to randome (Reply #41)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:58 AM

43. Wow. You must have been offended by the phrase in my post that reads as follows:....

...."...minimum requirement of rudimentary brainwaves".

Always love the folks who respond to posts with what they believe are insulting remarks. LOL.

FYI, that makes you look bad, not me.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:14 AM

46. All love aside, your breadcrumb fear is bullshit.

And you cannot refute that, can you?

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Response to randome (Reply #46)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:33 AM

58. Keep digging

you were graciously told that your remarks reflected poorly on you. Your remarks are snotty and full of hubris, and the previous poster is right, "it makes you look bad". But I've noticed that is your way in all your posts - you constantly reinforce the poor opinion I've formed of you.

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Response to Caretha (Reply #58)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:37 AM

61. And still no one wants to address the 'bread crumb' fear.

Because it's bullshit. You can get personal all you want, that means nothing to me. Facts are facts and someone claiming that Anonymous doesn't want to leave bread crumbs is...not-a-fact.

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Response to randome (Reply #61)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:44 AM

67. "Anonymous doesn't want to leave bread crumbs is...not-a-fact"

Above quote is yours. And............You know this how? Maybe it's you who should produce evidence after making such a blanket statement.

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Response to Caretha (Reply #67)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:46 AM

68. What evidence? It's deductive reasoning.

If they sent an anonymous email that left no bread crumbs, then clearly they can send another. It's easy to send anonymous email. Google 'anonymous email'.

Plus these guys are purportedly super awesome hackers. So they would have no problem with that.

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Response to randome (Reply #68)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:01 AM

72. And you're just another anonymous poster on the Internet....

....why should we believe anything YOU'RE posting?

It works both ways, doesn't it?

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Response to randome (Reply #68)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:02 AM

74. You purport to know their reasons also,

and that is a lot of hubris on your part.

I'm one of the biggest skeptics you probably will ever encounter. I'm not swayed one way or the other at this point regarding Anon's claim or that the email was from Anonymous. I'm also not swayed that there wasn't an attempt to electronically steal the votes in Ohio by a cabal that would favor the Republicans.

I'm also not stupid enough to declare it emphatically as you do, that it couldn't happen one way or the other.

If there is a conspiracy, which you disavow, and there was no attempt to thwart the conspiracy (read that as "stolen election") - now that would be really stupid, wouldn't it?

The chances of the likes of you or me learning the truth behind the scenes are about a million to one.

I will tell you one thing about being a true skeptic though, there is no such thing as coincidence.

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Response to randome (Reply #46)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:40 AM

62. And you can't refute that you're a poster who uses insults.....

....in your responses as if that somehow proves the point you're trying to make.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #62)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:43 AM

65. 'Sherlock' was a pretty mild insult.

Last edited Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:56 AM - Edit history (1)

If that's the worst that happens to you today, you'll be in a good place.

Look, all kidding aside, my point is that if Anonymous did anything, they have an easy method of providing evidence -send an anonymous printout of the code.

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Response to randome (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:59 AM

70. LOL. Why should Anonymous feel compelled or required to do anything at all?....

....Why do some posters on DU feel so threatened by the discussion of subjects like that posted by the OP?

Why are you and others attempting to shut down any discussion of this subject as if it were a personal affront?

Wouldn't it be a lot easier for you and others like you if you simply ignored a thread like this or chose to hide it?

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #70)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:52 AM

88. There is no evidence that anything happened.

So to see DU spasming to the tune of some cockeyed conspiracy theory is a little worrisome. Not 'threatening'. I call 'em like I see 'em.

There is no personal affront. We gather at DU to debate and learn.

I do not trash threads and I will never put anyone on Ignore. I want to know what's goin' on.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #40)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:57 AM

42. yes, we must never, ever ask for evidence of

any purported conspiracy.

what a crock. Some people will believe anything and sometimes DUers are the mirror image of Freepers when it comes to believing what they want to believe with no evidence whatsoever.

Oh, and yes there have been conspiracies throughout history but without evidence, they're just idle speculation. Conspiracies with some evidence are different than idle speculation. Not a hard concept to grasp, really.

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Response to cali (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:22 AM

53. Vote Hacking is the religion of the left like Birth Certificates are the religion of the right.

 

Those who will deny ANY loss by their candidates must have some safe explanation, no matter how outlandish.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #53)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:42 AM

63. Wow. Just wow. nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #63)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:24 AM

96. +1

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #53)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:19 AM

95. Vote hacking is the BURDEN of the Left

...because ethics-challenged RethugliCons will NEVER take it up as a problem. It's just an acceptable option for them, as long as they own the e-voting systems.

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Response to cali (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:30 AM

56. Waaahhh! Nobody will give me my evidence!! Waaaahh!! Poor, poor baby! nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #56)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:44 AM

66. WE DON"T NEED NO PROOF

 

Obama was born in KENYA I tells ya!

Same shit, different conspiracy theories.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #40)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:21 AM

52. So some anonymous person on the internet makes a claim and we're supposed to believe it?

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:23 AM

54. The real reason Obama won is because I was cleaning out the attic and found my old childhood

magician's set...I waved the magic wand and ... VOILA! The man got a second term!

You have to believe me--I said so, here on DU, didn't I?

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Response to MADem (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:31 AM

57. I BELIEVE!! I BELIEVE!!!!!!

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:33 AM

60. If it's the real Anonymous, it appears their proof is in what they've been able to do in the past...

...it's not like they're some group appearing out of the blue for the very first time.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #60)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:43 AM

64. Anybody can claim to be Anonymous

 

so that throws that theory right out the window.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:06 AM

76. I'm the real Anonymous, so I know the story is false.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:28 AM

55. Oh man, NOT this Bullshit again!

It is sad to see how many people lack the simple skill of critical reasoning.

Jesus Fucking Christ = Restoring Reason to Election Integrity Madness
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021851707

It is a new affliction, stinging the crazies on both ends of the political spectrum, and they have gone wild bull-horning their beliefs, lack of evidence be damned. The election fraud meme used to force voter ID laws is the supreme example. Now, a post-election mania has filled public fora and cooler minds are having to waste time damping the fires of irrationality. Marcos says it best so far:

Anonymous claims it stopped Karl Rove from hacking the vote

Jesus Fucking Christ
Rove had nothing to do with Orca. This is idiotic. As is this stupid claim that Anonymous stopped anything.
I swear to fucking god, the "Rove was going to steal the election" bullshit is patently ridiculous. And, in fact, it's CT.
So warning here, where people might or might not see it -- I will wield the ban-hammer ruthlessly against anyone who further spreads this shit.



by kos on Sat Nov 17, 2012 - http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1162678/48471137#c642

Now this in an e-mail from Bev Harris:

OF DIVERSIONS, FABRICATIONS, AND RED HERRINGS -

My e-mail seems to have two recurring themes lately, each from the opposite side of the political spectrum. It goes like this:
"Hey, have you seen this? Anonymous claims to have hacked Karl Rove's intended election manipulation."
And this:
"Are you doing anything about the rampant voter fraud that put Obama in office?"

1. The alleged "hack" by Anonymous may or may not have been real, but if it was, a careful reading indicates that it was not a hack of voting machines, but more akin to the odious phone-jamming scheme used by a Republican operative in New Hampshire some years back. Whether you wear a blue or red political shirt, this kind of attack is nothing to brag about. It involves interfering with get out the vote efforts, and regardless of which side is working on get out the vote, obstructing such efforts is uncool.

There is no credible proof that this Anonymous hack even happened. If it did, it violated the principle of encouraging political participation. We have to be careful about stories such as this, because they can divert important work on election transparency into chasing phantoms.

2. The "rampant voter fraud" claim diverts attention from where wholesale tampering actually takes place. If you plan to rig an election, you do it as an inside job, not with alleged busloads of people casting multiple votes, and not with herds of voter impersonators fooling election judges.

You do it with absentees, you do it by manipulating who can vote, you do it by altering the voting machine counts, you do it by thwarting chain of custody. In other words, it's not the outsiders -- the voters -- where the focus needs to be. Let's keep our eye on the ball. Who handled the ballots? Who watched? Who programmed the machines? Was the list loaded into electronic pollbooks the real one? Was the count interrupted for some reason? Did any ballots disappear? Were people prevented from voting? How do we know that the ballots said to have been mailed in are the same ones that were counted, and how do we know they were put into the pool by real voters rather than an elections worker?

We need to step away from our favorite political candidates to deal with the underlying structural problem. Until we fix transparency problems, actual tampering -- considerably more damaging than anything Anonymous claimed to have done -- will happen over and over.

The real problem that we have to wrap our heads around, educate others about, and solve, is public right to see and authenticate the count.

Germany ruled that the public must be able to see and authenticate every essential step of the election, without need for special expertise, and that no after the fact procedure can be substituted for the right to authenticate the original count.

That is exactly the model we here in the USA need to work towards, but first, we have to help the public understand that public controls over our own elections are the very essence of self-government, and self-government is the basis for all democratic systems.

There are four things the public must be able to see and authenticate:

1) Who can vote (voter list)
2) Who did vote (poll list)
3) Counting of the vote
4) Chain of custody



These are the fundamental issues, and we will restore these to the American public, once we properly identify them and demand these things, with no compromise and no wasting time on side issues, half-measures, or capitulation.

You may ask what you can do to help. I love that question. It's so much better than the passive "what is being done?"

Each major civil rights movement has several stages. We are now moving from the focus group stage, where we have been learning to craft the most accurate description of the problem to be solved, in the most persuasive terms, and into the distribution stage, where we are passing the message -- quite literally -- from person to person to build momentum to help tip the scales in legal and legislative efforts.

So that's what you can do: Learn to discuss election transparency in terms of basic right to self-govern, which is the principle that is the foundation for all democratic systems. To have self-governance, you have to have real, tangible, meaningful transparency.

Specifically, "The public must be able to see and authenticate each essential step of the election, without need for special expertise, and no after-the-fact procedure can be substituted for the right to authenticate the original.


* * * * *


It is obvious who does this stuff and why.
It is tragic to see who falls for it.



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Response to Coyotl (Reply #55)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:50 AM

69. So, let me see if I understand this correctly....

....you're attempting to prove your point (whatever that may be) by using two posts, one from a person who seems incapable of making an argument without using an abundance of foul language, and another person who has been widely discredited and is generally believed to be without any credibility on any subject much less election fraud.

Is that about it, or have I missed something?

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #69)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:05 AM

75. Double ad hominem, wow!

Oh wait, then there is me. Wow, triple ad hominem!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:02 AM

73. PATENTLY FALSE information

This is simply NOT FACTUAL: "SMARTech received the contract to count votes on election night should the servers go down"

Read the contract. Learn about how votes are counted.

People without a rudimentary understanding of technology and how it works, which part can do what, should not write about it, let alone make judgments like the election was stolen by a web server.

Another falsehood. Election results DO swing over the time they are being reported. When a large county that votes 70% for one candidate reports, the results shift. This happened in Florida 2000, remember. Bush was ahead, then Gore counties reported. Why isn't Thom Hartmann crying, "FOUL, GORE fixed the vote" given the reasoning above?

As someone who has taught computer classes at University and tutored computer systems to Ph.D.'s, I agree with this part of the article "In an era of internet lulz and digital false flags, we must demand proof for these sort of claims made by Anonymous." What might that be? How about log files showing the attempted crime of fixing an election? Which Republican/Rovian computer where with what IP address actually was connected to the web and routing its way to an election computer and attempting to access it?

If this really happened, how did Anonymous overlook the opportunity to bust them?

I see that since yesterday Hartmann is falling back to a new position, hedging bets that his exciting story of yesterday will remain bullshit:

"That’s why it’s vitally important for Anonymous to release any information or evidence it has about this plot to not just Julian Assange, but to law enforcement authorities as well. Otherwise, the alleged democracy-saving actions of the hacktivist group will instead be regarded as useless internet antics, relegated to the dustbins of history."


This will be the dust under the dustbins of history. The stuff in the dustbins is lame crap that will nonetheless be remembered. This won't be, except maybe as an example of a fraud about a non-existent fraud that consisting of claiming it was true because the non-existent fraud did not happen.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:07 AM

77. It's an extraordinary claim

I wouldn't put it past the GOP to pull something like this. I'd like to see the evidence of how they discovered the plot and how they stopped it.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:07 AM

78. And people still deny that Ohio was stolen in 2004

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:27 AM

82. Anonymous did nothing in Ohio

The job was done by the voters, who turned out for Obama. To give credit to a bunch of glory-hound hackers does a disservice to the real victors; the citizens who exercised the franchise.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:29 AM

83. As usual...

These conversations miss the point. It doesn't matter what happened, what didn't happen or what might have happened. What does matter is that we have partisans running elections, this is an irrefutable fact. This has to stop. Republican and Democrat officials should not be making decisions about the voting process. Period. And while we are at it can we find some kind of uniform way for everyone nationwide to vote? With a way to verify results beyond the shadow of a doubt? Even Frum on Bill Maher said we needed an independent entity overseeing our elections. Every other country in the industrialized world does it, why can't we? Instead of arguing hypotheticals we should be dealing with the very real danger that we can all agree does exist. Katherine Harris, Blackwell and Husted as well as many others have tried to twist the rules to suppress voter turn out or "muddy" the water in terms of results. Already Governor Asshole Walker is trying to eliminate same day registration in Wisconsin. Everyone should have the same voting experience accross the country, same systems, same early voting opportunities same laws. I think we can all agree on that, regardless of whether you believe the Rove/Annon stuff or not.

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Response to Liberal1975 (Reply #83)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:58 AM

90. Yes. There is still too much voter suppression going on. And too many chances for errors and fraud.

The system needs to be as near foolproof as we can get it.

All this indulgence in CT is a sideshow.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:55 AM

89. Kick and Rec for all the zombies

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:01 AM

92. Frankly...

I don't know what happened...but I am just glad "we" won. Oh...and knowing Karl Rove had a melt down, makes me warm and giddy inside.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:22 PM

101. Show the Proof

Anonymous should show the proof and put the little beady-eyed twerp in jail, or keep quiet about it, because now that he knows he's been hacked, he'll prevent it the next time.

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Response to MIKNCAL (Reply #101)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:04 PM

106. welcome to DU!

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Response to MIKNCAL (Reply #101)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:21 AM

113. The would-be-Anon video promised the evidence will be turned over to authorities

So, if the later part of this scam is true, then that has already been done.

Given the poor quality of the video, it seems just a bad copy of the real Anon videos. So, it is probably all Bullshit from the very get-go. Too many holes in the story, and this is just one. Where is the evidence?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:55 PM

110. ***HOW DO YOU CRASH AN INCREMENTING COUNT?!?!!?*****

That is about as simple as you can get for a CPU....you don't "crash" increment by x... x isn't an array or something and the computer can store an int bigger than one can think.

That's IT student 101

The computers counting by x "crashing" is new to me...

Has this been verified by the computer makers etc?


If so, 2004 was NO DOUBT stolen....


There's NO WAY you "crash" a computer that increments by x where x will be < 1 billion...

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #110)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:27 AM

114. There was no crash. That is all just disinformation.

What happened was there was a contract in place so that when the activity of requesting data from the Ohio SoS server was exceeded, they switched to another system on the internet, a larger server with adequate capacity. The downtime was the transfer of the IP address to a different computer. It takes time for that to propagate to the domain name servers. After that happened, there was new data added to the counts. Of course, the percentages of each candidate had changed with more counties reporting.

The disinformation players have convoluted this into Republican computers in Tenn. were counting votes in Ohio. Not so.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:43 PM

112. I think that was even more bizarre was the way Romney was acting, refusing to concede.

Was someone advising him not to concede? And the fact that he didn't have a concession speech despite the fact the race was supposed to be close and most "experts" and the polls were showing a Romney loss.

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Response to Michigan Alum (Reply #112)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:30 AM

115. That was not bizarro at all given the Gore experience of retracting

The candidate has to wait for certainty, and does not concede on the inferences of exit polling. The networks call the race with 99% certainty. The candidate waits for 100%, now that we had the Gore experience of nearly conceding too early.

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Response to Michigan Alum (Reply #112)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:48 PM

116. Do you mind if I quote that?

Interesting post.

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