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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:24 AM

Private Police departments will replace the city police departments?

I have a Wingnut relative whom I saw this weekend who was basically sounding off on how the Republicians plan on Privatizing all police departments across the country and HOW great that would be because HE can afford to pay for such a service and basically the more you are able to play the more "Protection" you will get.



He claims we will see this happen over the next 5 years.


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Reply Private Police departments will replace the city police departments? (Original post)
diabeticman Nov 2012 OP
Renew Deal Nov 2012 #1
Brickbat Nov 2012 #2
IDemo Nov 2012 #8
Jim__ Nov 2012 #3
smaug Nov 2012 #7
Skidmore Nov 2012 #4
leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #5
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #10
ToxMarz Nov 2012 #26
randr Nov 2012 #6
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #9
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #12
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #13
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #15
Incitatus Nov 2012 #28
Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #11
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #14
Bragi Nov 2012 #16
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #27
Corgigal Nov 2012 #17
Bragi Nov 2012 #19
Corgigal Nov 2012 #20
KansDem Nov 2012 #18
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #21
FVZA_Colonel Nov 2012 #22
kentuck Nov 2012 #23
HuskyOffset Nov 2012 #24
backscatter712 Nov 2012 #25
Fawke Em Nov 2012 #29
louslobbs Nov 2012 #30
Mr Dixon Nov 2012 #31

Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:28 AM

1. No pay, no protection.

"I just checked and you haven't paid your police bill. Maybe try asking he man outside your window with a knife to kindly leave?"

We saw how the "pay for fire service" idea worked in TN. They watch while your house burns down.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:30 AM

2. Everyone who likes these kinds of ideas thinks they're the ones who will be able to afford and

benefit from it.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:49 AM

8. The same as supporting tax cuts for billionaires

Someone once said many Americans who aren't yet rich consider themselves 'temporarily embarrassed millionaires'.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:32 AM

3. The right wants to privatize everything.

So, yes, that includes the police. Private police forces can be more brutal. A police force inside a gated community, will have the power to stop anyone moving around on that private property; and if you try to elude them ... I don't think there's too much doubt they will immediately shoot to kill; and if there are "stand your ground" laws in place, shooting trespassers will be no big deal.

Most of the people who help bring this privatization about will regret it if it ever comes to pass. Five minutes thought on the part of most of these people should make that clear. I don't have much hope that they will spend that five minutes.

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:45 AM

7. You've put your finger on the problem, though

You said "five minutes thought" - thinking is what most reich wingnuts want to avoid.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:35 AM

4. Is that before or after the Rs take them through secession?

I find it amazing how the party of hyperbolic patriotism shows its colors as being almost treasonous when it comes to actual civic participation.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:38 AM

5. the other problem with that is that they have to turn a profit. i wonder how he'll feel when he

starts getting tickets for things he didnt do. tickets for running stop signs he didnt run, tickets for running red lights he didnt run. when police depts are now for profit giving out tickets is how they make profits.

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:53 AM

10. Will the private police be able to seize property in drug cases?

Because I can sense a major business opportunity here for someone not above planting a few drugs on someone's expensive property.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:57 AM

26. I'm sure ALEC is working on that as we speak.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:39 AM

6. Just who's laws will they then enforce?

The laws of the people or the laws their employers set out to be enforced?

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:50 AM

9. How does that work once he steps outside his house?

I mean, presumably he leaves his property.

What if something happens to him while he's out? How will the police know whether he's paid or not?
What happens if there's a major disaster and it isn't profitable to get involved or worth it to pursue the perpetrator(s)?
What if they decide his neighborhood isn't making enough money -- regardless of whether he's paying, and pull out -- giving him no chance to get police protection even if he wants it?

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:54 AM

12. It will work like your medical records are swiftly and easily transferred from one doctor to another

Oh wait, bad example.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:59 AM

13. And we all know that the "free market" and "profit motive"

ensure that all private companies are always very efficient. Private companies are NEVER incompetent, and never have bad customer service.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:02 AM

15. Our customer service representatives really care

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:02 PM

28. Or maybe something does happen at his house.

But due to a clerical error, the police computers show that he has not made his annual payment. So they ignore his call.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:54 AM

11. Yeah they'll replace them.

Right up until the time they get sued for brutality or wrongful death or for just not showing up in a timely fashion.

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:01 AM

14. Ah but they've already thought of that. Two words: tort reform.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:11 AM

16. Yes, "gated" commnities will evolve into private fortified communities

This would appear to be an inevitable consequence of increased social and economic inequality.

For the rich, the poor don't merit protection, they are the people against whom protection is needed.

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Response to Bragi (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:59 AM

27. "evolve"? I think Trayvon would say we're THERE.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:15 AM

17. that's stupid

So we have this young cop, say 22 years old. First day on the job he crashes the patrol cruiser and is disabled. He's going to fight for social security for a few years and without a pension? No one will or can put their life on the line without a pension. Cops and their families know it will be there if the worst thing happens.

I'm sure you're wingnut relative hasn't thought about that but you won't get the right people without the pension.

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Response to Corgigal (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:30 AM

19. Crappy pensions will be no obstacle to recruitment

Getting out from under "the burden" of paying decent pensions will be a major impetus for the growth of private policing, where recruitment and operational standards will be much lower than at present.

As for the 22 year-old you cite in your example, there will be plenty of desperate 22 year-olds in the future with no expectations of a proper pension.

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Response to Bragi (Reply #19)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:36 AM

20. well then you get what you pay for

and as soon as they get trained they will apply to another agency. You will never have a seasoned law enforcement officer because as you get older morality thoughts come to the surface. The FOP is aware of this issue and they will fight it with all their amass of funds.

So as long as you don't mind untrained cops , and never really need trained cops then I guess it could work. I hope you never need any detectives who have 18 years experience because they won't exist.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:21 AM

18. So when we're arrested, they won't read us our rights.

Instead, they'll sell us our rights.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:48 AM

21. Why are you listening to mentally ill people?

Seriously?

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:51 AM

22. So, he basically wants to live in a cyberpunk setting.

I always thought that would be the most likely path our future would take.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:52 AM

23. Not constitutional...

as if that mattered.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:40 AM

24. Dick Jones, Omni Consumer Products

Can't wait for our Robocop future to get here.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:41 AM

25. Replacing cops with pinkertons.

As far as I'm concerned, hired mercs aren't real cops. I have zero respect for them that they don't inflict on me with violent force.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:06 PM

29. Why does anyone think this is a good idea?

I mean, most of us are already paying for our local police department via our property and/or sales taxes. If we privatize our emergency services departments, then EVERYONE will be paying both taxes and the police/fire department fee. Anyone who thinks a city will CUT taxes even if these services are off-loaded to private industry is either insane or hasn't been paying attention.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:46 PM

30. 911 Operator: " I understand that someone is breaking into your house, but we don't have a record of

this years payment in our computers, if you can fax over a copy of the canceled check to verify the payment, I will dispatch a Polcorp unit out to your home."
Lou

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:50 PM

31. SMH

Black water comes to mind, private police to match the private for profit prisons, seems like a expected next step, not that I agree with it, but who cares what I think? LOL

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