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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:56 AM

 

'Occupy' Doctor Had Bomb-Making Chemicals In Ridgewood Basement, Authorities Charge

A New York doctor who was active in the Occupy Wall Street movement of 2011 was charged Saturday with possessing a large quantity of chemicals used in bomb-making, hours after authorities conducted a raid on the Ridgewood house in which he lived, officials said.

Roberto Rivera, 60, a medical doctor, was charged with recklessly creating a risk of widespread injury or damage after FBI agents and members of the Bergen County bomb squad found precursor chemicals used in the making of explosives, Bergen County Prosecutor John Molinelli said in a release Saturday afternoon.

Molinelli called at least one of the chemicals "highly volatile," but authorities did not disclose the names of the chemicals found in the house.

Rivera was being held on $1 million bail.

Once Rivera was in custody, a further search of Rivera’s home at 183 Union Street revealed a number of assault rifles and other firearms, Molinelli said.

http://newmilford-nj.patch.com/articles/occupy-doctor-had-bomb-making-chemicals-in-ridgewood-basement-authorities-charge

The guy was featured prominently in the media. I;m curious about this arrest.

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Reply 'Occupy' Doctor Had Bomb-Making Chemicals In Ridgewood Basement, Authorities Charge (Original post)
HiPointDem Nov 2012 OP
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #1
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #2
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #3
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #4
Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #5
underoath Nov 2012 #6
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #7
underoath Nov 2012 #9
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #11
underoath Nov 2012 #13
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #14
underoath Nov 2012 #17
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #18
underoath Nov 2012 #19
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #20
underoath Nov 2012 #23
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #25
Vinnie From Indy Nov 2012 #31
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #33
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #32
Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #8
oldhippydude Nov 2012 #27
RedRocco Nov 2012 #10
Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #12
cali Nov 2012 #15
Taverner Nov 2012 #16
underoath Nov 2012 #24
Taverner Nov 2012 #30
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #21
Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #26
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #22
gollygee Nov 2012 #28
reusrename Nov 2012 #29
Earth_First Nov 2012 #34

Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:59 AM

1. "Precursor chemicals" is a catchall.

I can think of at least a dozen items readily available at any large grocery or Home Depot type store that could be called that.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:06 AM

2. i was wondering about the lack of specificity. it seems that everything mentioned

 

in the article could be perfectly legal, so i'm wondering what the backstory is.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:08 AM

3. Even money says they were out to get him.

I've seen and even experienced vague charges on even vaguer evidence.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:09 AM

4. if so, question is why him rather than some other random occupy participant.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:23 AM

5. Yeah, if he did yard work he'd have fertilizer and gasoline to grow and mow.

And in quantities that wouldn't make sense for anything else, but yeah, enough for an arrest.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:47 PM

6. I wonder what he was planning?

 

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Response to underoath (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:31 PM

7. we don't know that he was planning anything at all. like many people, he had some guns &

 

some chemicals.

why was he arrested? the article says nothing about it except that he had guns and chemicals, like many people do. it implies something nefarious about that, but we don't really know.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:38 AM

9. Yeah right. he had guns and chemicals, like many people do?

 

yeah the ones who want to kill and blow things up have those!

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Response to underoath (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:56 PM

11. so do the ones who don't want to.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:37 PM

13. for what?

 

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Response to underoath (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:42 PM

14. Have you had ammonia and bleach in your home at the same time?

Then you have had the necessary ingredients to make a quite poisonous gas and possibly explosive byproducts.

http://chemistry.about.com/od/toxicchemicals/a/Mixing-Bleach-And-Ammonia.htm



Mixing bleach and ammonia is extremely dangerous, since toxic vapors will be produced. The primary toxic chemical formed by the reaction is chloramine vapor, with a potential for hydrazine formation. Here's a look at the chemical reactions involved in mixing bleach and ammonia, as well as some first aid advice if you accidentally become exposed to a bleach and ammonia mixture.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:45 PM

17. yes im small amounts. Im sure this guy had a lot more than a little bit on chemicals on him.

 

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Response to underoath (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:50 PM

18. Congratulations, I see you belong to the Ed Meese school of jurisprudence..



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:11 PM

19. are you saying that the guy is innocent and being bullied?

 

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Response to underoath (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:08 PM

20. I'm saying you are jumping to conclusions that may not be warranted

You have to take into account that Occupy is extremely unpopular with the authorities, it would not be particularly unusual for this to come to nothing whatsoever when all is said and done.


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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:17 PM

23. and you are jumping to conclusions that authority is this case is wrong without

 

knowing the specifics, right?

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Response to underoath (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:18 PM

25. I'm withholding judgement

Unlike you and Mr Meese who have already convicted the guy

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Response to underoath (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:42 PM

31. No jumping to conclusions here.

Ya know it isn't just those on this thread that give this suspect the presumption of innocence, so does our legal system.

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Response to underoath (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:53 PM

33. Given past history of said authority, I'd question all authority.

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Response to underoath (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:51 PM

32. a gallon jug is enough for them to charge you

Most items like that come in gallons at the store.
And like I said upthread, there's a dozen things I can buy at any large store in those sizes that could be used to make quite a big bang.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:34 PM

8. One of our printmaking teachers got questions from the FBI one year.

He was aften seen loading etching acids in and out of his car. It came out later they thought they had a lead on the Unibomber. Wonder what this is about, really.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:29 PM

27. that was my experience...

i could not get the ingredients for Dutch Etch... even had a hell of a time getting nitric acid..still have some around years later..

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:34 AM

10. a pyrex container and baking soda

is enough to qualify your house as a crack lab here...

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:58 PM

12. Why don't they investigate the "tea party"? They publicly carry their arsenal.

 

Oy...

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:44 PM

15. Fired from his job for being a stalker.

http://ridgewood.patch.com/articles/bomb-doc-was-fired-from-hospital-after-stalking-allegation

Evidently he stalked a nurse, was ordered to have a psych eval, refused, was fired, sued, case dismissed.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:45 PM

16. Why do I sense the smell of bull ca ca in the air?

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:17 PM

24. because its an Occupy person.

 

and you don't want to believe what is being said?

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Response to underoath (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:38 PM

30. Well, Mr. 163 posts - why would he build bombs?

 

Especially since that violence was never part of the Occupy agenda

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:14 PM

21. Could this guy have been set up?

It's also been painfully notable to me for some time, that right-wingers who plan terror attacks are rarely ever even mentioned by the media(unless they're successful, that is!), and yet when anyone from the left is even suspected of plotting something, they're all over it like flies on a rotting corpse.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:19 PM

26. The FBI have been breaking into Occupy activists' apartments and creating political prisoners since

 

the Chicago No NATO protests last summer. They created terrorists out of a few misguided men in Cleveland (they've just been sentenced). The same old tactics the FBI has used on other social and justice movements over the decades.

Can't find it? Create it.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:16 PM

22. Like, uh, hydrogen peroxide? nt

PB

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:32 PM

28. I need to know what chemicals he had to decide if I believe them

There are household reasons to own some chemicals that also could be used to make a bomb.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:36 PM

29. I worked with a guy who made a bomb from packing peanuts.

 

He was a Navy SEAL. Used it to blow a fence post out of the ground. Made a pretty big hole, too.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:55 PM

34. No friend of mine...

Now I'm not claiming to be all knowing of everyone associated with Occupy; however I say this treading lightly as having been accused of being a law enforcement infiltrator myself (paranoid dellusion on the part of two individuals with a history of such accusations...) however, he doesn't look the part.

Just a vague, quick, first thought reaction...

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