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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:56 AM

If marijuana becomes legal across the nation, does that have the potential

to put the Mexican Cartels and domestic growers out of business or does the demand cause more demand and illegal importing and local grow houses of the drug? What are the effects of marijuana on the reflexive abilities of drivers? Questions were posed in a discussion this weekend and I had very little answers. What say you?

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Reply If marijuana becomes legal across the nation, does that have the potential (Original post)
mfcorey1 Nov 2012 OP
Sirveri Nov 2012 #1
randome Nov 2012 #2
Upton Nov 2012 #9
randome Nov 2012 #17
RegieRocker Nov 2012 #54
DefenseLawyer Nov 2012 #21
randome Nov 2012 #22
DefenseLawyer Nov 2012 #24
randome Nov 2012 #27
Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #28
Son of Gob Nov 2012 #47
Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #55
Son of Gob Nov 2012 #66
DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #53
Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #59
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #30
randome Nov 2012 #33
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #35
randome Nov 2012 #39
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #41
bayareamike Nov 2012 #61
2on2u Nov 2012 #3
darkangel218 Nov 2012 #8
Lucinda Nov 2012 #12
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #31
darkangel218 Nov 2012 #45
2on2u Nov 2012 #63
Tunkamerica Nov 2012 #4
customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #6
jway Nov 2012 #18
customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #72
marsis Nov 2012 #34
customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #71
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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:01 AM

1. They would simply move production here and become legal or shift to meth

There wouldn't be any point for them to produce illegally if they can relocate and produce legally.

The one major exception would be if the tax rates were too high. Then you'd get tax stamp smuggling.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:08 AM

2. There will always be a black market for drugs.

Equating the 'War on Drugs' with marijuana legalization or decriminalization gives the wrong impression, IMO.

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Response to randome (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:54 AM

9. There might always be a black market..

but legalizing pot would put a giant dent in the government's WoD..

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Response to Upton (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:44 AM

17. Stopping the War on Drugs, IMO, is not a good idea.

Legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana is something I can live with. But I never want to see heroin and coke easily imported into this country. Never.

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Response to randome (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:11 PM

54. How about this

 

Acquired by a prescription and extremely cheap to undercut the black market. No one would spend $100 for something they could get for $5. This would allow the knowledge who is using and who needs help.

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Response to randome (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:18 AM

21. There's not much of a black market for alcohol

Why do you suppose it would be different with other drugs that are currently illegal? The only thing might be relevant is that it's relatively easy to grow your own pot, so there will be those that grow their own to avoid a tax or simply as a hobby. People can brew their own beer now, but it doesn't make a dent in commercial beer sales.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:23 AM

22. People are not rational about drugs. Equating marijuana with alcohol doesn't hold up, IMO.

The cartels would only push more with cocaine and heroin and every other variety they can get their hands on. There is an American market for black market drugs. That's been clear for decades. There isn't much of one for alcohol except during Prohibition.

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Response to randome (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:29 AM

24. Ah yes, the reefer madness argument.

Your fear is palpable, but history doesn't support your conclusions.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:45 PM

27. 'Reefer madness'? I'm talking about heroin and cocaine.

That's the black market that will still exist no matter the legal status of marijuana.

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Response to randome (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:48 PM

28. Booga Booga

 

Alchohol is a drug. Marijuana is an herb. There is no equating.

Prohibition brings guns. So pick your poison.

Thats all you really need to know.

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:31 PM

47. They're both drugs.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:12 PM

55. No they are not. Nyah nyah nyah

 

Raising the standard of conversation on DU...

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #55)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:07 PM

66. Let me know when you finish Jr High

A drug is a substance which may have medicinal, intoxicating, performance enhancing or other effects when taken or put into a human body or the body of another animal and is not considered a food or exclusively a food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:10 PM

53. an herb?

Let's be serious here.

If a busdriver ate Pizza and Garlic Bread for lunch, he or she would be eating herbs. There would be no impairment of driving, though socialskills might be a bit off.

If a busdrive smoked a doobie, then they would drive the bus into a wall, or over a kid.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:17 PM

59. People drive stoned constantly where are the accidents?

 

700,000 arrests for possession per year. So how many 100s of thousands drive stoned daily? I have since I was 16 (thats 30.5 years ago) I've never had an accident, at least not while stoned.

How many accidents from marijuana intoxication? The crime people don't even bother to keep the statistic.

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Response to randome (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:13 PM

30. "There isn't much of one for alcohol except during Prohibition."

 

and why wouldn't the same be true for drugs if we ended the 'Prohibition' on them as well...?

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #30)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:22 PM

33. There will still be a drug trade. There will ALWAYS be a drug trade.

If marijuana was legalized across the country, it wouldn't be as much a part of the black market, that's all. But it sure would not stop the black market.

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Response to randome (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:26 PM

35. there are also black markets for alcohol and tobacco- it's mostly about avoiding the taxes.

 

a black market for drugs wouldn't be any larger than those...probably smaller, actually.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:54 PM

39. The black market for heroin and cocaine, etc. will remain.

And with one or two states legalizing marijuana -if it's ever implemented and allowed to stand- means there will be smuggling across state borders. A different kind of black market but still a black market.

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Response to randome (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:56 PM

41. just as black markets for alcohol and tobacco continue to exist.

 

your point...?

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Response to randome (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:23 PM

61. I'm not following your logic. What does marijuana legalization have to do with

heroin legalization or coke legalization? If the discussion is about marijuana being legal, let's discuss that.

Also, you mentioned that alcohol cannot be equated with marijuana. Why not? They're both drugs that are widely consumed. Many studies show that alcohol is in fact worse than marijuana in terms of dependency and addiction.

Here's a recent article discussing just that: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-truth-about-pot


If marijuana is legalized nationally, and people can produce and purchase it legally it would undercut the cartels that import it on the black market. As it stands, marijuana is California's largest cash crop. Why not legalize, regulate, and tax it? Seems like a win win to me: marijuana becomes safer to consume (there would be standard regulations just like there are for alcohol) and the tax money can be used for worthwhile goals.

EDIT: I reread what you said. I understand that the cartels would likely turn to harder drugs like cocaine, meth, or heroin but there needs to be a market for consumption in the United States. The drug trade wouldn't exist if it weren't for the propensity of Americans to consume drugs. That's just a fact. It's at least half of the equation. Taking marijuana -- the most widely consumed (illicit) drug in the US -- off the black market would put a major dent in the drug trade. Arguing that that would result in higher usage of harder drugs, like coke or heroin, requires an assumption that Americans would choose to consume them, even in the face of legal weed.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:20 AM

3. All speed limits will have to be raised to at least 20 mph, drive thrus will need to be clearly

 

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Response to 2on2u (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:54 AM

8. Wouldnt pot make ppl drive slower? nt

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:53 AM

12. I would think so. n/t

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:16 PM

31. that's why speed limits need to be raised...

 

if stoners drive 20 miles under the speed limit- you need to raise the limit by 20 mph to even it out.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:24 PM

45. o.....k

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:44 PM

63. It's a joke.... again, all speed limits would have to be raised to at least 20 mph.... meaning

 

stoners might drive 10 or 15 mph....

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:32 AM

4. they are diversified. weed is just one piece of the pie.

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Response to Tunkamerica (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:18 AM

6. Agreed

The cartels will just push coke that much harder.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:49 AM

18. Supply and demand

But just as with any business, they're constrained by the laws of supply and demand. If the American people don't want more coke then extra supply will put negative pressure on prices, thus eroding profits.

Also, legal marijuana may very well reduce the demand for coke, which will mean that extra supply from the cartels may hurt their profits so much that the whole thing's not profitable for them anymore.

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Response to jway (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:49 PM

72. I think you're right

about legal pot having an effect on the market for harder drugs. I just expect some desperation on the part of the cartels, if they lose the part of their profits that came from marijuana.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:22 PM

34. Really?

 

So you'd become a coke head? I wouldn't, I have no desire. Demand drives the business, not the other way around.

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Response to marsis (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:46 PM

71. Well, I didn't say they'd be vastly successful

Only that they'd push. It will increase the number of coke heads.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:34 AM

5. there will probably be a ng cutoff for potentially intoxicated drivers

but legal maijuana does pose problems with testing, since it can't have the same standard BAC-type test as alcohol. I'd say 60-70 ng is a good indication of immediate use, but you could test at that level if you smoked yesterday and obviously be sober enough to drive a few hours later.

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:45 AM

7. What we really need is a performance based test ...

... for impaired driving. From a safety perspective, it makes no difference why the driver is impaired. Impairment could be tested for with some sort of device the police could have in their car - kind of like a high-tech field sobriety test. It could find impaired drivers who are drunk, high, taking prescription drugs that interfere with their driving, or even just excessively tired.

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:08 PM

29. Good point!

I have never understood how the "we can't test for pot 'intoxication'" meme/excuse for keeping it illegal made any sense. We can't do a field test for opiates (legal and illegal), cocaine, meth, LSD, or basically any other performance degrading substance/behavior. I'm no apologist for drunk driving, but most studies show that driving while overly tired/sleepy can affect driving on a par with being smashed.

We do actually have field sobriety tests. Sure, they aren't "proof" of anything, but bad driving is bad driving and cops have always been able to cite drivers for a huge array of bad driving behaviors. On the other hand, if a driver is obeying the speed limits, driving safely and without swerving or otherwise putting everyone at risk, then it doesn't really matter if they've just shot themselves up, tossed back a fifth, or smoked out.

There is a war on drugs. There is a public safety issue with impaired/bad drivers. The two aren't really related. Anyone who thinks potheads don't drive now and are just waiting to drive stoned until it is legal are deluded.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:31 AM

10. The price will drop, this will make certain current production methods un-economic.

There will be a boutique market for fancy strains, the rest of the market will be a commodity market, like beer or
cigarrettes, with lots of tax piled on top. But, unlike tobacco or booze, the ease of home grow will keep prices from getting too high for "garden variety" stuff.

Also, it will get VERY competitive very fast, the barriers to entry are so low as to be non-existent, UNLESS government assumes a monopoly over commercial production and distribution, which is quite possible.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:16 PM

58. Yep. Pot prices will drop up to 90%

When Prop 19 was on the ballot here in California a few years ago, a couple of economists took a realistic look at legalizations impact on the price of cannibis. They determined that most of the current valuation is driven by scarcity owing almost completely to its prohibited status. If it were legalized, we would see industrial scale production ramp up, which would bring the prices of average quality pot down by a minimum of 75%, and up to 90%. Boutique strains would always remain more expensive, but they would see a crash as well because the price difference between the varieties would be unsustainable.

This is largely why Prop 19 was heavily opposed by growers in the Emerald Triangle, where the bulk of California's pot crop is grown today. Those growers realized that legalization meant one thing for them....unsustainable competition from thousand acre cannibis farms in the Central Valley. To the grower, it would have been about as profitable as corn.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:48 AM

11. If pot becomes legal here then Mexico will probably legalize too.

In fact they will probably legalize long before it's legal in all 50 states. Once all the legal obstacles are settled pot will likely be treated like beer or liquor and be imported from Mexico.

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:39 AM

15. Importing from Mexico

We import beer from Mexico so there's no reason not to import marijuana from there too. However, just like alcohol, the bulk of our marijuana can be expected to be grown here in legal and safe "farms" like the one at the University of Mississippi where the federal government's grown marijuana for decades.

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Response to jway (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:07 PM

74. Welcome to DU!

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:57 AM

13. Depends what the regulations are.

If home grow is banned (or requires an expensive/difficult-to-get licence) then there will probably still be a black market of some kind.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:41 AM

16. Homebrew

It depends on the price of the legal stuff. Would you buy illegal booze just because you weren't allowed to make your own at home?

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Response to jway (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:27 PM

25. Well yeah - there are a number of factors.

I think though that overall the cartels would be selling a lot less marijuana.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:00 AM

14. Cleaner cheaper and better weed, less crime, fewer people in prison

For weed possession, increased tax revenue for states, me being able to partake of pot every now and then, without worrying about being arrested or fired. I haven't smoked in many years because of those fears.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:50 AM

19. Growing GOOD smoke for your own...

.. consumption is quite easy. Why would I need someone to do it for me, if it was legal?

Driving while impaired is already illegal AND stupid. However, driving under the influence of alcohol is FAR more dangerous than weed, yet it's readily available and socially acceptable almost everywhere.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #19)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:21 PM

32. it's wouldn't be easy to grow for a LOT of people.

 

Lots of people live in apartments, for example.
Lots of people wouldn't want to grow it themselves- just as lots of people don't make their own beer or wine. MOST people in fact.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:37 PM

36. Not sure why you are so angry.

Pot can actually be grown almost anywhere. Those who choose not to, are welcome to their choice.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:46 PM

37. not sure where you get 'angry' from that post...?

 



and no- it's not going to grow well in most small apartments, for example.
and most people with larger apartments probably won't want the hassles and the smell that comes from larger grows.

making beer and wine is relatively easy too- and there are still HUGE retail markets for them. no reason to expect the market for pot to be any different. especially for people who like variety.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:42 PM

46. Sorry...

... sounded angry to me. My bad.

I'm not quite sure why this is such a problem. There's lots of folks who would be more than happy to grow homegrown, right here in the USA, in virtually every state. 'Cept it's not legal. Cuts out the need to import it and the profit for the badguys, to say nothing of freeing up cops, prosecutors, jail space and the courts for actual criminals. On top of stopping ruining hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives for something that shouldn't have been a crime to begin with.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:51 PM

48. I don't live in a medical mj state- but i've been growing a crop in my garden for years...

 

I have an arthritic spinal condition, as well as peripheral arterial disease- pot helps me with symptoms and pain in a number of ways.

My neighbors know i grow it- but i've told them why- and nobody has any problem with it- and as far as i know, none of them are tokers.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:33 PM

62. If were you my neighbor...

... I'd say the same, even for those who want to use it for recreation, but especially for folks like you that can improve your quality of life. Don't smoke it myself and haven't for years.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #62)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:31 PM

68. despite being 'easy' to grow- it can be a big pain in the ass, too.

 

even though i have plenty of space for a basement grow room- i've stuck with growing it outside- which means just one crop per year.
i've gotten really good at identifying male plants early on, and ripping them out- but then there are things like 'budworm' and spider mites to deal with. since i ultimately ingest the plant in one way or another- i don't use any pesticides, or chemical fertilizers- and i usually end up with a couple pounds or so of good bud.

growing indoors would yield more- with multiple harvests thru the year...but it also requires a lot more attention, and carries a lot more risk- and unless you want to invest in a decent ventilation system, it really makes the house reek.

even if i weren't a medical user- i would also take the same live-and-let-live kind of attitude if one of my neighbors needed it.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:10 AM

20. If it becomes legal across the nation and people can grow it legally, there won't be

much need to import from Mexico or anywhere else unless you just have a craving for something other than domestic grown weed. Homegrown can be some really fine stuff.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:25 AM

23. Alcohol is legal, drunk driving is illegal

Only lunatics would propose reinstating prohibition to combat drunk driving. Suggesting that marijuana should be illegal because people could drive impaired is just as illogical.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:39 PM

26. They will still have the market that sells weed

 

laced with synthetic additives like PCP or dust. They also have a big hand in the meth market and may move to selling other things. The cartels are heavily armed and not going anywhere.

The benefit will be more for people who just want regular and safe weed and they won't have to worry about getting arrested over nonsense.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:21 PM

60. lol

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:50 PM

38. Not sure I'd expect a huge demand upswing.

I think the increase in demand would be modest. I mean...are there really that many people for whom the only reason they don't smoke weed is because it's illegal? In the majority of jurisdictions there's very little active enforcement at the individual user level any more. And it's not as if there's a supply problem...

Also, I think the Mexican cartels are more about cocaine these days than they are weed...but I might be mistaken.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:55 PM

40. I'm torn on the issue of legalizing it

I understand the arguments, but I wonder why we should add to alcohol related incidents by doing so. If it is legalized, then, at least, it should carry the same penalties as a DUI.

I'm just not sure how I feel about it.

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:56 PM

42. Decriminalization would have much the same affect.

I wish that had been the state-wide initiatives because I don't see that full legalization will be allowed to stand.

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:03 PM

49. You're a couple decades too late

DUI has not been limited to alcohol for a long time.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:58 PM

43. I'm in favor of legalization

 

Though I agree that what you mentioned needs to be taken into consideration.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:17 PM

44. If MJ is actually treated like alcohol

which includes the licensing and taxation on commercial growers/sellers. Limiting the amount that can be grown personally and bans non commercial sales, will kill the black market.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:06 PM

50. Driver's reflexes

People who are high tend to drive very slowly. Which makes them safer than drunks.

On the other hand, people who are high tend to get fixated on something while they are driving. Which makes them not very attentive.

The low speed probably makes them safer than drunks, but they are still very likely to cause an accident.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:07 PM

51. Like prohibition, they would look for new

Markets.

That said, I would not shed a tear if they just went away.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:07 PM

52. Legalize it, regulate it, and tax it. Prohibition is a Failure.

Period.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:13 PM

56. The shit is a weed--it's easily grown here. I think people are more careful driving baked than

drunk, but I don't think it's a good idea to do either. There will probably be a test developed eventually.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:15 PM

57. tax it like cigarettes and watch the deficit drop

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #57)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:51 PM

64. Money should not be part of this equation.

We're still back to the fact that putting smoke in your lungs is bad for your health. If you support people harming their health to put a dent in the deficit...well, I don't like that idea.

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Response to randome (Reply #64)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:55 PM

65. Smoking is not the only way to ingest THC..

It's not even the best way.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #65)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:09 PM

67. I'm well aware of that. But smoking is the preferred method.

Most people would smoke it, they would not take the time to bake it into something or haul out a vaporizer.

No matter what one's position on legalization, the fact is that if legalization does occur, there WILL be an uptick in respiratory disease. I don't see how anyone can deny that.

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Response to randome (Reply #67)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:40 PM

69. How much time does it take to haul out a vaporizer?

Answer - Zero seconds more than hauling out a pipe or a bong and minutes faster than rolling a joint.

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Response to randome (Reply #67)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:44 PM

70. Preferred by who?

Is that your preferred method? Because most of the people I know prefer to vaporize. And I know a lot of pot users.

Legalization has occurred. There is nothing to suggest that use of marijuana will increase significantly with legalization. I don't know where you are getting your "facts" but they reek of "made up" to me.

The fact that it's legal will open up more opportunities for people to legally make THC products, which may actually even decrease the amount of people smoking it.

Income derived from taxes, savings on jail, cops, lawyers, courts and judges, a new viable industrial hemp crop, new employment opportunities, and the fact that I can get high without worrying about some holier than thou with a giant stick up their ass arresting me are all positives for legalization.


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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:49 PM

73. It would hurt the cartels but they would start peddling harder drugs.

It would have zero impact on home growers, if anything there would be more home growers.

Just like you can grow your own tobbaco and brew your own beer, people will grow their own mary jane.

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