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Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:28 PM

"anonymous" firewall the new birth certificate?

what more evidence is there that anonymous people stopped karl rove from rigging the election than there is that the president was born in kenya?

seriously

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Reply "anonymous" firewall the new birth certificate? (Original post)
arely staircase Nov 2012 OP
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #1
arely staircase Nov 2012 #3
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #14
Coyotl Nov 2012 #15
Raine Nov 2012 #19
aletier_v Nov 2012 #4
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #13
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #28
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #2
RobertEarl Nov 2012 #30
aletier_v Nov 2012 #5
arely staircase Nov 2012 #7
aletier_v Nov 2012 #10
aletier_v Nov 2012 #12
Raine Nov 2012 #21
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #24
hedgehog Nov 2012 #26
RobertEarl Nov 2012 #31
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #6
arely staircase Nov 2012 #8
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #9
arely staircase Nov 2012 #11
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #37
Warpy Nov 2012 #16
GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #17
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #18
Overseas Nov 2012 #20
Mr. Mojo Risen Nov 2012 #22
Overseas Nov 2012 #23
arely staircase Nov 2012 #35
pa28 Nov 2012 #25
hedgehog Nov 2012 #27
arely staircase Nov 2012 #32
RobertEarl Nov 2012 #29
arely staircase Nov 2012 #33
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #34
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #36
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #38
arely staircase Nov 2012 #39

Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:31 PM

1. Actually there is more CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence of this

than the birth certificate. It helps if you know the culture and a tad about computers.

Alas circumstantial it will remain unless a level of forensics rarely done on computer systems (it is the cost stupid) is done

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021845743

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:33 PM

3. there is no evidence whatsoever of either

circumstantial or otherwise.

both are baseless claims.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:53 PM

14. Ok

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:57 PM

15. I agree also

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:28 PM

19. I LOVE that picture, so cute and sweet of Obama to pose that way. nt

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:35 PM

4. Disagree. The origin of the original BC issue was that it was photoshopped by someone

I'm very suspicious of the OH vote in 2008
and the subsequent death of the GOP IT Guy
but I've seen nothing to support this latest Anonymous Hacked theory.

The technical explanation is Wizard of Oz mumbo jumbo at its finest.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:53 PM

13. We can disagree

I am not saying it happened, just that it is possible.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:11 AM

28. I like the idea that this is possible.

It would be nice if Anonymous would have a deeper and closer look at Wisconsin where something fishy appears to be going on. Too many Republicans are stealing elections left and right using voter suppression. Texas would be another great state to watch, too. Oh, and Aryanzona.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:33 PM

2. Are BeBeVers the new Birthers?

 

I think so.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:14 AM

30. What are BeBeVers?

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:39 PM

5. It's certainly possible that the voting system was hacked.

Having hacked a couple of systems myself,
I know it can be very easy under the right circumstances.

But I also know that half of being a magician
is convincing the audience that you are a magician.

I have no doubt Rove revels in his reputation as an Evil Genius,
because half the trick of being an evil genius is making people believe it,
and react to it.

But as near as I've seen so far,
the entire hacking theory is based on Rove's reaction.

Be honest here.
Romney's camp was deluded into believing they were winning.
Rove's reaction could just as easily be attribute to that.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:43 PM

7. i don't doubt rove's willingness to steel an election

i am specifically talking about the anonymous saved the day business.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:46 PM

10. I think the anonymous post is

a) a practical joke

b) an attempt to elevate the reputation of anonymous by capitalizing on a coincidence.


I did the same thing for a few years.
Once you have a reputation as a magician,
it becomes almost self-fulfilling. The audience
almost fills in the blanks for you.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:50 PM

12. Well, I'm being censored and shit on now for telling the truth

I should have expected as much on this board.

Have a good night.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:40 PM

21. No one censored you, you put up your opinion but people have the right

to agree or disagree ... that's freedom of speech not censorship.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:46 PM

24. It's certainly possible Barack Obama's birth certificate was forged.

 


Please, stop the CT crap.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:58 PM

26. Connecticut?

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:25 AM

31. What is that supposed to mean?

You think Obama forged his birth certificate?

You've gone over the edge.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:40 PM

6. Sounds like a good little Republican argument.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:44 PM

8. i have simply asked a question

have an answer?

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:45 PM

9. Oh, you read my answer, and quite well, I presume.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:46 PM

11. i read your poorly thought out comment

but have seen no answer to my question.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:35 AM

37. First of all, try some correct grammar in the OP. Secondly, apples and oranges?

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:06 PM

16. It's just one of those things we'd like to be true.

There is no proof Rove was hacking Ohio beyond his meltdown when it was called for Obama. There is also no proof that Anonymous had anything to do with the fact that such hacking didn't work.

It's just one of those stories that people will enjoy telling for many, many years, so get used to it.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:13 PM

17. How about: The President never claimed to be born in Kenya.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:17 PM

18. +1

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:38 PM

20. Sounds so nifty. You're so cool. Laugh away electronic vote manipulation. It's silly.

Nothing to see here. Those folks are all kooks.

You are the smart ones. You know they are fools. Don't you feel smart and strong?



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Response to Overseas (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:01 PM

22. I believe in electronic vote manipulation

I also believe that letter from anonymous is likely a fraud.

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Response to Mr. Mojo Risen (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:41 PM

23. But you know the difference between a proven falsehood and a possible one.

You're not jumping in to crush all discussion by equating a proven falsehood with a potential one.

We don't know if the Anonymous things were hoaxes issued by the same people that may or may not have interfered with electronic vote manipulation,

or hoaxes issued by those with or without a relationship to Anonymous, just to intimidate potential vote manipulation efforts, or to draw attention to the possibility of it being tried.

Those still attempting to craft better means of electronic vote manipulation would very much like us to relegate all such discussion to the taboo Conspiracy Theory department. To make all who talk about it into CT nuts. Issuing bold claims of victory on behalf of Anonymous could be one way of making all such talk appear more ridiculous.

We may never know.

But we do know our president was born in Hawaii. We knew that before he won the primary. Before he was elected to the Senate already.









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Response to Overseas (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:28 AM

35. I am not laughing at vote manipulation

I am laughing at the claim (presented with zero proof) that anonymous prevented it on a large scale.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:55 PM

25. Election integrity is a serious issue.

Unless anonymous has evidence they are cheapening the issue.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:07 AM

27. Here's what I'm looking at -

- it has become accepted in many quarters that Gore won in 2000, but that the Supreme Court interfered with the vote count and declared Bush President in a judicial coup d'etat.

- the Ohio Secretary of State openly tampered with the vote in 2004 by manipulating the placement of polling booths to depress the vote in Democratic districts.

- Gerrymandering, albeit a hallowed American tradition used by both parties, has been raised to an art form by the Republican Party to ensure a Republican House.

- Open attempts to suppress the Democratic vote were made in several states.

- People backing Romney had so much money to spend that in the final days there was literally no more commercial time left to purchase in many markets.

Somehow, the theory that Karl Rove engineered or knew of a plot to give Ohio to Romney does not seem far fetched to me!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:23 AM

32. and that is evidence that anonymous prevented an election theft?

really? that is what I am asking about.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:11 AM

29. Rove loves the birthers

And explain Rove denying the fact that Ohio's votes were going to Obama. It was on camera. What is your explanation for that?

Frankly, you trying to equate a total proven falsehood - "Birthers" with a known problem of computer code vote counting is the worst kind of political persuasion. It's bald faced trash talking. And is not much more than an attempt at flaming.

Explain Rove denying, on national TV, the Ohio vote outcome.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:25 AM

33. how do you get from rove's meltdown to anonymous saved the day?

you are confusing

a. Rove tried (or would try) to steel an election

with

b. Anonymous stopped Rove from steeling an election.

my post is about the latter

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:25 AM

34. Anyone with moderate knowledge about IT knows the story is full of holes and is 100% bullshit. nt

 

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:32 AM

36. K&R&LOL n/t

 

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:41 AM

38. Why are you trying to compare a scurrilous and baseless ATTACK on the DEMOCRATIC President with

a claim by Anonymous---WHO, IF LEGITIMATE, WAS ANTI-ROVE AND ANTI-ROMNEY---that would explain what people witnessed: Rove's panic and incredulity at the Ohio results?

There has been anecdotal evidence FOR YEARS of Republican-owned voting machines (Diebold, e.g.) "flipping votes." INDEED, we have video evidence from this past election.

"Anonymous" exists.

Vote-tampering has happened.

NONE OF THIS COMPARES TO THE "OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE" REPUBLICAN INSANITY.





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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:48 AM

39. because believing baseless claims by anyone is foolish

one should be a little more discriminating before jumping on bandwagons - be they racist birtherism or comic bookish worship of anonymous people on the internet who claim to have performed daring deeds that saved democarcy.

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