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Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:26 PM

"With no alternatives at hand, Walmart now seems like a dead-end to poverty"



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/16/walmarts-internal-compensation-plan_n_2145086.html

Walmart's Internal Compensation Documents Reveal Systematic Limit On Advancement
Posted: 11/16/2012 2:26 pm EST Updated: 11/16/2012 10:10 pm EST


Walmart's Internal Compensation Documents Reveal Systematic Limit On Advancement

Posted: 11/16/2012 2:26 pm EST Updated: 11/16/2012 10:10 pm EST

Two years ago, when she started working at the deli counter of a Walmart in Illinois, Lisa hoped that her job would amount to the beginning of a career, one that would pay enough to cover her bills and enable her to stay current on her student loan debt.

But despite one raise since, Lisa, who asked that only her first name be used, now earns just $9.10 an hour, or about $13,000 a year on part-time hours. Seven months pregnant, she recently filed for bankruptcy. With no alternatives at hand, Walmart now seems like a dead-end to poverty, she says.

"I donít have underwear without holes in them," she said. "Everyone at work wears T-shirts that are threadbare. I have just enough to eat and get gas to make it to work for the next two weeks."

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The company website declares that "a job at Walmart opens the door to a better life" and "the chance to grow and build a career." But interviews with 31 hourly workers and one former store manager reveal lives beset by paychecks too small to handle the bills, difficult to manage part-time schedules with hours subject to constant change, and little reason to hope for career advancement. Citing fear of losing their jobs, most spoke on the condition of anonymity.


Contrast what actual Wal-Mart employees say about working for the giant retailer to the economic propaganda espoused by beltway Democratic establishment economists like Jason Furman and the unctuous Wall Street apologists, Koch-groomed new wave of RW economists, and tea partiers who happily cited Furman's corporate spin as some sort of "liberal" approval of their ideology.

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Reply "With no alternatives at hand, Walmart now seems like a dead-end to poverty" (Original post)
brentspeak Nov 2012 OP
lalalu Nov 2012 #1
customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #6
lalalu Nov 2012 #8
customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #11
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #7
lalalu Nov 2012 #9
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #10
Ricochet21 Nov 2012 #12
jeff47 Nov 2012 #14
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #17
jeff47 Nov 2012 #20
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #21
Raffi Ella Nov 2012 #2
CrispyQ Nov 2012 #3
Raffi Ella Nov 2012 #4
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #18
undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #5
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #19
smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #13
Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #15
Illinoischick Nov 2012 #16

Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:34 PM

1. I know it may be painful for the workers but

 

Walmart needs to be taken down. We were just discussing how a few corporations have such a monopoly. What happened to all the laws against this? Fighting these monopolies took a huge toll on Teddy Roosevelt and I don't see anyone willing to try it again.

I think this time it will have to be done by the public. It is time for a major boycott but as Black Friday looms I am sure millions will be out spending money.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:32 PM

6. I'd join your boycott, but

I've already been there for years. I saw what Wally World did to the small timber town I used to live in on the Olympic Peninsula nearly ten years ago. Some good friends lost their businesses and jobs.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:56 PM

8. Sorry to hear.

 

I have never shopped at Walmart because I live in an area with many choices and they only recently opened a store about 30 minutes from where I live. From what I am hearing Walmart is pretty much the only option for people in some areas. A boycott would be hard for them but it needs to be done.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:50 PM

11. Thanks for your efforts in that direction

Small businesses support everything from the local homeless shelter to the Little League team. Big boxes do a few photo-ops, then go back to gouging the community and removing diversity from the available choices.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:45 PM

7. walmart does indeed need to be taken down, but i'm not sure a boycott is going to

 

do it, with so many people living close to the poverty line.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:57 PM

9. That is the bind they have so many people in.

 

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Response to lalalu (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:16 PM

10. it's the bind *everyone* is in as the rulers destroy more of the "competition", aggrandize

 

more wealth & power to themselves, and impoverish more of the population.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:56 PM

12. They can do so

without my $

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:03 PM

14. Actually, the situation is so bad they can't afford Wal-Mart anymore

and are now shopping at dollar stores.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:41 PM

17. that too; same difference.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:53 PM

20. Not when you're arguing Wal-Mart won't be hurt due to poor people still there (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:31 AM

21. lots of them will still be there, and lots of formerly middle class moving down a tier.

 

and pall-mart has certainly shown its ability to adapt to its market. it can go dollar store too, if needed.

actually i wouldn't be surprised if they're a silent partner in some of those dollar store ventures.

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:44 PM

2. I recently saw the Walmart doc. on current.

wow. I knew it was bad but I didn't realize just how bad. From special government financial assistance that is not available to Mom & Pop Stores to forcing their workers to work without putting it on their time card to lying about the working conditions of factories to environmental hazard - WalMart is a danger to society.

The small price tag is because others suffer. It's a crime.

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Response to Raffi Ella (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:11 PM

3. "Walmart: The High Cost of Low Price"

That one? It was a fantastic documentary! It should be required viewing. It covered all aspects of the awfulness of Walmart, from low wages & no benefits, to anti-unionizing tactics, to the slave labor factories in China, to the impact on Main Street America.

Definitely a

Netflix has it.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:41 PM

4. Yes, that one.

I agree, if you haven't seen it you should. It's on youtube, too, if you don't have netflix.

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Response to Raffi Ella (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:43 PM

18. yeah, it's crime. for sure. and it's enabled by the government(s), which makes

 

it worse, because that means there is no one to stop them from getting away with it.

our ruling class is completely bankrupt.

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:03 PM

5. There is a wal mart in abingdon.

They want to build a superstore less than 2 miles away from the other one. I can walk to both sites.

This wal mart will destroy the last of the beautiful forest I grew up around,a forest that basically was my refuge,old growth forest. A forest with blackberries raspberries even wild cherry and persimmon trees(if you know where to look).That woods right now is being decimated.
It breaks my heart.I was walking past the plumtree woods and already the big machines are chewing at the edges of the forest,as I walked by I saw a deer standing in a clearing .The poor deer had a shocked sad look like she knew her time was up and her home was gone.I was no more than 15 feet away.It hurt seeing her like that. As that monstrosity gets built I will see dead animals,as I walk everywhere out here,most people drive and never really see the extent of the animal carnage developers have caused here.

No Bel Air walmart.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/belair/ph-ag-dac-walmart-meeting-1019-20121017,0,4830815.story


Along with stagnant wages,abusive managers,slave labor in china,pollution galore,big ass trucks going in and out all day,They are tearing up a woods they do not HAVE TO tear up. FUCK YOU walmart!!!!!

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Response to undergroundpanther (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:45 PM

19. that is a sad story. i had a similar experience as the miles of woods i'd played in, hiked through,

 

picked berries in were bulldozed for development.

yeah, it's heart-breaking.

there was nothing special about my woods -- they were probably second or even third growth -- but i knew them & their landmarks and inhabitants very intimately & some of the happiest times in my childhood were spent there.

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:57 PM

13. I don't shop at WalMart. Period.

I'm a single person who can live on very little. I don't need to subsidize their blatant disregard for basic human rights.

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:22 PM

15. My husband is a manager

He works for the devil and he knows it. He has looked for jobs elsewhere, but to no avail. He's not highly skilled (love him, but it's true - I didn't marry for money) and the jobs around here are slim pickings. He feels stuck. Even though his paycheck is from Wal-Mart we don't spend our money there. We're super poor and have a mountain of medical debt because, surprise surprise, we can't afford their crappy insurance. Even their cheapest and most crappiest plan would take the majority of my husbands paycheck (I believe we worked it out to about 80%) in order to cover the family. There is no way to afford it. So, my kids get the state insurance.

They violate OSHA every minute of the day. They put their workers in harms way constantly. Then they blame people when they get injured on the job and screw them out of any disability pay. They used to be a regular Wal-Mart, but they expanded to a supercenter. Get this - the store sits in an abandoned shopping center. The center used to have a grocery store (driven out by Wal-Mart) that has been empty for about 5 years now. It used to have smaller stores and one department type store. All are gone, except a dollar store and a pizza place. There are thousands upon thousands of empty, usable square footage to the left of the Wal-Mart. What did they do? They expanded to the right. They bought out some small mechanic's shop, leveled two houses and plowed the shit out of many acres of forest. They're fucking evil.

One of my husband's co-workers was so poor that he stole a deli sandwich (the pre-made kind) from the store during lunch. They caught him on video and fired him on the spot. A few weeks later, he was living in a homeless shelter and we have no clue where he went from there. No, stealing from your job is NOT okay, but I can't help but feel sorry for the man.

My husband has come home with plenty of stories about people being laid off or fired when they were in the middle of fighting some disease or disability. An ex-friend was part of some class-action lawsuit. Her part was that she was pregnant and they tried to make her climb some really high ladder.

They waste a ton of food and product. It's unbelievable how much they waste. Yeah, they will throw some clothes or some bags of cat food to a charity now and then, but they throw out way more than they donate. The workers have to watch good items and food being destroyed. If you try to take home something they are going to throw out they will fire you. My husband was "coached" (their stupid term for taking disciplinary action against you) because he took home a plant that was being thrown away. It was a perfectly healthy lily and he pretty much felt sorry for it.

Black Friday - they are trying to do a ton of PR saying they give employees time and a half for Black Friday (true) and that employees can volunteer for shifts. Also true. What they fail to mention is that they will also volunteer you themselves and you can't get out of it or they will fire you. If you are scheduled to work Fridays, you MUST come in Black Friday for a 12 hour shift, half hour lunch, or they will fire you. And they cut hours (and subsequently benefits) in the weeks leading up to and after the holiday season to compensate for any overtime employees worked.

Yeah...we're happy the husband has a job, but the minute he gets another opportunity he will be out of there.

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:48 PM

16. Yes, they are the devil

and they have total control.

I work in the food industry and can't afford to shop anywhere else for the things they offer. It is a vicious circle.

I hate to support them but there are few other alternatives. I will shop at the Salvation Army or other thrift stores for clothes etc.

Food, Jewel is way too expensive and Ultra does have some good deals. But I can only spend so much time searching for things.

I just usually have to suck it up, hold my nose and shop there.

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