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Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:51 PM

Ok... It's From The Examiner... Re: Anonymous/Rove/Ohio... And Here's The Author:

Michael Santo, Tech Buzz Examiner

Michael Santo is a tech guru living in the San Francisco Bay Area. He has been involved in technology for over 20 years, including mobile, computer, and Internet. He once wrote the recomputation engine for a commercial spreadsheet and has been a freelance writer for several years, seeing his...


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Anonymous claims to have blocked GOP election theft with Ohio firewall
ELECTIONS 2012
NOVEMBER 18, 2012BY: MICHAEL SANTO

<snip>

Hacktivist group Anonymous has done some good things and some bad things. It all depends on your point of view. Now the group has come forward and said they are the reason that Karl Rove nearly went apoplectic on Fox News on Nov. 6, Election Night 2012.

Thom Hartmann reported the claim on his radio show on Friday, which is simulcast on Current TV (video of the Current TV broadcast is embedded). Of course, Anonymous has claimed things in the past which later turned out to be false, but as Hartmann said: "it makes sense."

Republican strategist Karl Rove seemed incredibly surprised when the results came back from Ohio. It wasn't just the surprise that Mitt Romney exuded -- he reportedly had no concession speech written -- it was genuine amazement.

As Hartmann, noted, in the book "Boss Rove: Inside Karl Rove's Secret Kingdom of Power," author Craig Unger documented how in the 2004 election, "the Ohio vote was counted in Ohio, at 11:13 p.m. at night, the entire Ohio voting system crashed ... a minute later they came up. In that minute, all the votes had been re-routed through a server system in Tennesee, and so all the vote totals flowed back into the system in Ohio, and John Kerry lost, even though the exit polls showed him winning."

So why didn't Ohio go for Romney in 2012?

Curiously enough, the Ohio Secretary of State's vote tabulation website went down at 11:13 p.m. Rove even mentioned it on the air.


Coincidence? Possibly...

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More (with many hyperlinks): http://www.examiner.com/article/anonymous-claims-to-have-blocked-gop-election-theft-with-ohio-firewall


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Reply Ok... It's From The Examiner... Re: Anonymous/Rove/Ohio... And Here's The Author: (Original post)
WillyT Nov 2012 OP
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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:54 PM

1. Ah jeez

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:19 PM

5. Where's that damn Like button when you need it around here?

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:42 PM

45. please

get a clue. Yes this BS again.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:30 PM

65. Why do you two jump in on every one of these threads?

I think we get by now that neither of you puts much stock in this story. But why are you so determined to shut down any discussion of it?

Are you afraid it will somehow make the Democratic Party look bad? If you are, you must not have been around here in 2004, when the conspiracy theories were flying thick and fast and people were being tombstoned at every turn.

DU survived that. It will survive this. So please, relax and let the people with an interest in the matter thrash it through.

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Response to starroute (Reply #65)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:19 PM

72. Yep... We Got A Lot Of Shushers And Tut-Tutters Around Lately

I'm still trying to figure out what they are afraid of.




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Response to WillyT (Reply #72)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:41 PM

80. Right. People are so afraid they question something that appears without evidence.

Here's the truth: I sent that email. I am Anonymous. There. Now you have as much proof as an anonymous email.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:31 PM

68. Is that the Univision Spray Tan version?

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #68)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:13 PM

70. The other one is the PhotoShop

no kidding

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:40 PM

44. please

get a clue

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #44)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:53 PM

47. I have many clues

 

The fact that conspiracy theorists reject any notion that questions their conspiracy theory is my first clue.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:54 PM

48. duh

and I never questioned Obama's citizenship per your bottom line on your post. Everything else.....

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #48)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:58 PM

49. And then there's my second clue

 

Conspiracy theorists always attempt to ridicule those who reject their conspiracy theory.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:38 PM

78. Aw Jeez, not RomneyLies 'aw jeezing' again

You think that election theft isn't possible, or just that hacktavists couldn't do anything about it?

What do you think happened in Ohio in 2004? The exit polls were all wrong and that the votes just magically flipped from Kerry winning to Bush winning? Is that what you think? Magic?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:07 PM

2. Ohio was irrelevant.

332-18=314

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:23 PM

7. Not to Rove! It was very relevant to Rove.

Poor guy, he literally melted down on the air.

Doesn't matter if Anonymous hacked their machines or not, it is just so much fun getting all this attention for Rove's Election Fraud and that is most likely the goal.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:47 PM

28. Three states were involved. nt

 

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Response to bupkus (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:03 PM

35. Most likely Florida was one. nm

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:09 PM

51. How about NEXT TIME? n/t

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:13 PM

3. Only ONE Problem, that WASN'T Anonymous, it was a fraud video.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:54 PM

30. What do you mean by "fraud video?" They were fudging the feed on air?

I'm not familiar with this.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:58 PM

32. Can you prove that was a "fraud video"? Yes or no? nt.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:19 PM

4. Interesting

can you post the Faux news tape of karl rove

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:18 PM

74. The video of KKKarl's election night apopletic seizure:

 

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Response to bupkus (Reply #74)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:33 PM

76. kind of a left turn, but...

i was watching it in 'real time' ( yeah, i know, what the hell is wrong with me? ) and when megyn kelly did the walk of shame, she mentioned that they had 'practiced' this walk earlier, and she lost the 'contact' with the main desk, or wherever...and then she 'lost' it again...what has surprised me is that she said she 'practiced' this walk earlier...does that mean fox thought this would happen...kkkkarl thought it would happen...kkkkarl had plans ...? still can't figure that one out..

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Response to la la (Reply #76)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:39 PM

79. That's in the full video I posted below

 

I mentioned that she said it around the 6:00 mark in the full video below.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:23 PM

75. Here's the full video with the visit to the FUX "news" "decision desk" - LOL

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=9TwuR0jCavk&feature=endscreen

Edit to add

Notice around the 6:00 mark how she says "When we practiced this before in our rehearsals"

Why did they practice this in rehearsals?

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:44 PM

81. IMO, Rove obviously had plans to flip Ohio just like he did in 2004

 

Ohio was stolen in 2004. Kerry was ahead but suddenly fell behind after a system crash. Votes in some of the largest Democratic counties suddenly flipped. That's what ORCA was. Not a get out the vote system but a system to flip votes.

Watch the Rove video above. Read the information below. Rove was snookered this time. What about next time?

http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html#support

The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched To Bush Votes

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/7/2012/1953

The Free Press
Harvey Wasserman

Romney would have won if it had all come down to Ohio
November 8, 2012

http://www.iwantmyvote.com/lib/downloads/references/house_judiciary/final_status_report.pdf

Preserving Democracy:
What Went Wrong in Ohio
______________________________
Status Report of the
House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:20 PM

6. Good one, Willy

Always question authority. They control how our votes are counted and so we must always be vigilant.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:27 PM

8. I'm Just Putting Out What's In The News... Even The Author Recognizes It May Be A False Claim...

But people here get to examine the articles, and make up their own minds... it's what we DU.



And thanks.



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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:29 PM

9. Yup, he is taking the same POV I am

Under present technology it is indeed possible.

What is amazing is how much energy is spent in denying even this possibility, that is what is fascinating.

Fraud and stealing elections is not new...the techniques have changed, that is all.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:29 PM

10. Sorry but this "expert" is an idiot

Anonymous was able to break in, install some up to now unknown, impossible to break firewall, but was unable to execute a copy command to get evidence of the vote stealing software?

Right.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:32 PM

11. Maybe... And Maybe Anonymous Is Just Playing With Karl Rove's Head...

Or... maybe somebody claiming to be Anonymous is.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:35 PM

12. Someone else?

Like Obama's people? Real Dems who are sick of the theft?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:17 PM

71. Maybe someone other than Anon is playing with someone other than KR's head

Or maybe someone is seeking attention for a web site with a donate button.

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Response to WillyT (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:42 PM

14. The story of the supposed 'anti-hack' is definitely bullshit...

I have no way of knowing who put it out but it is bullshit. Repugs create a magical phone app that can manipulate the vote everywhere... Then Anonymous manages to create some magical 'firewall' that blocks the magical phone app from... Doing it's magic.

Non-sense like this only plays with the heads of the gullible. Regardless of who started it,neither the repug part nor the Anonymous part are even slightly believable. It is another bad conspiracy running amok on DU.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:38 PM

13. Because we know illegally obtained evidence

Is admissible in court.



We also know hacking is well...legal. Did I mention a denial of service attack is also very legal.



Why would you bother, devil's advocate, with gathering evidence that will likely result in your conviction?

Vigilantes get protection from the powerful only in comic books.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:43 PM

15. Illegal evidence obtained by a third party is admissable

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:44 PM

17. Ok, really

I read the link...and no, not really.

I will leave it at that.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:02 PM

19. It would help the debate if you could cite some credible sources that may support your claim

I have cited a Supreme Court decision which allowed evidence that the defendents claimed was illegally obtained by third parties. All you've said so far is "Ask any lawyer.".

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:10 PM

20. And in reality this was obtained while commiting a felony or two

Assuming that is, that Anon did this as they claim.

Care to comment on that? Since the case you cited did not include the active Commission of a felony. Jesus this is not that complicated.

Again, I will leave I at that.

Did Anon do this? Maybe. Do we have evidence that something happened? Yes.

One of many articles on this failure, google brims.

http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2012/11/13/romneys-project-orca-technology-fails-shoe-leather-wins/

That is all.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:44 PM

27. burglary is a felony

From the same source I cited earlier:

" who purloined and stole the same drilled the petitioner's private safes, broke the locks upon his private desk, and broke into and abstracted from the files in his offices his private papers;"

And I think you'd have to admit that in order for supposedly illegally obtained evidence to be excluded in a court trial, it is up to the defense to first raise an objection to it and the judge would have to agree with the defense's arguement. Furthermore, I think you'd agree that any evidence, illegally obatined or not, can be brought before a grand jury.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:03 PM

36. Whatever

Anon come to officer friendly and surrender all your evidence. (Assuming Anon did it)

After all, we know an amorphous group of people operating in the shadows will come out of them.



Have a magnificent day. I wonder if Anon is named Bruce Wayne and we all suddenly moved to Gotham?

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:26 PM

23. Sorry, your caselaw link isn't good enough...

do you have anything from Facebook?



Sid

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:01 PM

34. as long as it is not from an agent of the police it is admissable

And is done frequently when prosecutors turn defendants against one another.

Rather common actually.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:07 PM

37. You think Anon will do that?

Ever known a hacker?

I am amazed by this thinking. Naive, sorry to call it that way, in the extreme.

You think officer friendly will kindly listen and not bring out a pair of cuffs?

Mind you, this assumes Anon actually did it.



I mean whistle blowers are really safe.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:32 PM

66. Do what? Very difficult to follow a conversation with you


You were making an argument that illegally obtained evidence is not admissable and I was pointing out that it was quite common (Pawn shop owner gets a break from the police by giving up the thief that gave it to him. Evidence from the pawn broker was obtained without a warrant and is in fact a crime itself but is used to prosecute the theif)

I don't think anonymous will comply with anything because it is quite obvious that they didn't do anything.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #66)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:33 PM

69. You are right, so why try to have a conversation

So will try to spell this out.

Hackers, by their very nature, are not very trusting of officer friendly. There are good reasons. They break the law regularly. So, if ANON indeed do this, they will not go out and call officer friendly and tell him, or her. look, we got the goods on Rove, as long as you promise, cross your heart NOT to prosecute us... not even with a lawyer present.

Also, at least in California, evidence obtained while in the commission of a crime is usually not used, since... what are the words the judges like to use... oh yes, it is contaminated evidence. Maybe, where you live this happens often. But here, they like to avoid it, or use it ONLY if they have OTHER STRONGER as in MUCH STRONGER, legally obtained, read warrant, evidence.

There is one more thing. I am not saying, contrary to popular opinion, that Anon went out and did it. Their letter is tantalizing assuming it is Anon, since it has plausible events on it, that MATCH what we know from actual MEDIA coverage, read Ars Technica and other geeky sites.

What we know is that Orca was a badly designed app, using Microsoft for part of it's architecture (sloppy). We know that MS is infamous for a few back doors, designed into their products, Access is particularly bad, a product like this, I am assuming will need a Dbase app, and Access happen to be a Dbase app. Lord knows I am not a programmer but I know enough to know that. There is a reason why I would never recommend Access...

We also know is that the afternoon of the election the ISP for the campaign did shut down inbound traffic temporarily thinking they were undergoing a Denial of Service Attack. This could be sloppy programing, it could be an actual attack, or both. I don't think we'll ever know.

We also know the Users of the system were having all kinds of issues signing to the site, getting credentials and all that... we know some credential were issued that should not. That is suggestive of hacking.

We also know Karl Rove melted on Fox... I got to watch that with a bunch of republicans return night. and trust me, they were just as shocked as Karl. And in a few cases I am talking of county high level officials. It could be (this is taking the haking angle) him realizing that something was not going according to plan, or just he blew up 300 plus million. Your mileage will vary.

We also know two machines were taken off service in PA after they were recorded actually flipping the votes... CNN ran that tape, later on MSNBC. I am going to assume that this never really happen and it was the FX department at CNN...

Now all these are actual facts. Does this mean all this indicates we had hackers playing around with the system and saving the US from another stolen election? The technology exists, it is indeed possible. Can I prove it? Just as much as you really cannot prove it did not happen.

Here is a hint, yes, I have actually talked with a few hackers over the years... they are good enough these days that they will leave code behind that will errase their presence. Why I keep saying, read Neuromancer. we are there. Oh and just for fun, assuming this was a hack, the next presidential election the shadows will be even more amusing. If it was not, well I suspect Microsoft will not be used for the main architecture just in case. And that lesson should apply to BOTH parties.

If it was just a set of coincidences, well they do happen. Why I am saying it could be, not that it did, there is a difference. I know better, but I also know that this fixation on our perfect electoral system is just annoying as hell, since the system has much more obvious problems, as in real obvious... nine hours to vote... you shit me?

But serious, you think Occupiers (with good reason) distrust the authorities? You have never met a hacker. For the record the bottles of mountain dew and cheetos are not just part of the myth. Nor are the full cups of coffee, and other forms of fast food. And for some... it is the challenge of the hack... not what they get physically out of it. They are not doing it to get info out... it is... a very different mindset.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:43 PM

16. So these super hackers can't think of any way to put it into the public... Anonymously?

Really? That is what is stopping them?

Really?

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:47 PM

18. I gave them the benefit

Since we do know the Denial of Service did occur from other sources.

And they are not super hackers. This shit happens regularly...serious.

Just ask your friendly DoD...why they have cyber security specialists.

All we know for sure is that passwords were not working and that the ISP almost shut them down for a DoS attack, or what looked like one.

But serious this shit happens, why computer voting is a form of stupid.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:16 PM

21. Yeah, I do know

It is why I know this is all bullshit. None of this adds up to vote hack/anti-hack... Not one bit of it... It is a fantasy.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:21 PM

22. So the Denial of Service (a trademark of anon)

did not happen and news reports to the contrary are just bullshit?

Here, one of the myriad of links on google.

http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2012/11/13/romneys-project-orca-technology-fails-shoe-leather-wins/

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:29 PM

24. Did you read your own link? Nothing there says anything about any DDoS attack

Except that one person ask if it had been tested for (that means in the testing phase of the SDLC, not after it was rolled out). otherwise... Nothing to support your claim.

It's all bullshit is still the only answer. ORCA failed because it was a shit app, not because it was a super hack that only a DDOS attack (what happen to invincible firewall?) could stop. That is what your link says.

Amazing the bullshit people fall for.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:42 PM

25. You go on and search the web

Not my job anymore to show you that yes, something fishy happened. Something fishy did happen, your mileage will vary as to who, it might have very well be botched programing for all I care. It could be Anon, could be a mix, or just a full moon.

You want to believe it is bullshit, so be it...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:44 PM

26. So first you offer non-sense then bail

How odd... CT'ers usually offer evidence... oh wait, nevermind.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:55 PM

31. I could show you the first page of google

And all I said was that given current technology this was feasible. I did not say they did it.

You on the other hand, are digging heels, not possible since this never ever, cross my heart, could ever happen.

But here from Ars Technica, another bunch of conspiracy loons.

When the Romney campaign finally brought up Orca, the "killer whale" was not ready to perform. Some field volunteers couldn't even report to their posts, because the campaign hadn't told them they first needed to pick up poll watcher credentials from one of Romney's local "victory centers." Others couldn't connect to the Orca site because they entered the URL for the site without the https:// prefix; instead of being redirected to the secure site, they were confronted with a blank page, Ekdahl said.

And for many of those who managed to get to their polling places and who called up the website on their phones, there was another, insurmountable hurdle—their passwords didn't work and attempts to reset passwords through the site also failed. As for the voice-powered backup system, it failed too as many poll watchers received the wrong personal identification numbers needed to access the system. Joel Pollak of Briebart reported that hundreds of volunteers in Colorado and North Carolina couldn't use either the Web-based or the voice-based Orca systems; it wasn't until 6:00 PM on Election Day that the team running Orca admitted they had issued the wrong PIN codes and passwords to everyone in those states, and they reset them. Even then, some volunteers still couldn’t login.


http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/inside-team-romneys-whale-of-an-it-meltdown/

By the way their diagnosis is both bad programing, using MS product by the way, and bandwidth issue. If you are in programing as you imply, and I am not, MS products are infamous for those nice open back doors.

Here, on the mistaken Denial of Service attack..which never happened in your mind.


Project Orca was a Web-based app developed to help the Romney campaign track which supporters had voted and to help poll watchers report any potential voter suppression, fraud, or other irregularities back to the campaign for follow-up by its legal team. Volunteers at polls across the country were to access Orca from their smartphones and feed all data back to the main Romney campaign site inside the Boston Garden. But, as we reported, Orca caused widespread frustration after user credentials were issued improperly. At one point during election day, Comcast cut off inbound traffic to Orca's servers because it was mistaken for a denial of service attack. And even while the system was working, the high volume of data being sent to the server caused such slow response that it appeared to some users that the system had crashed.


http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/orca-was-no-fail-whale-says-romneys-digital-director/

Again, from the loons at Ars Technica.

Once again, we know something happened...bad programing, Anon, a full moon, something still did happen. That s a fact jack. You can take it to the bank.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:28 PM

41. Very nicely stated, nadinbrzezinski.

Still waiting for a response from Mr. Ohio.


*crickets*

*chirp chirp*

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:34 PM

42. I

saw that rotund fuck melt down on Faux news. Something unexpected happened. His meltdown was not faked and calling Ohio for Obama did it. That's a fact all you naysayers. In the end, Big O won. But not without some very interesting delay by mittshit and rovian nightmare. Something happened that was unexpected and it was not just Obama winning. Anonymous, if you are real, thanks from the bottom of my Obama voting heart. I don't care if the cynics are too blind to be swayed by truth. And if you are a rovian nightmare stealth joke, hey karl, you lost and your 300million too.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:11 PM

52. Yes, we do know what happened

It was a lack of testing combined with bad programming. Your very links state that. The fantasy that somehow this phone app was hacking the vote and that the ever changing mystery deed that Anonymous did somehow stopped it is complete non-sense. Not one of your links support any of it, you are making it up in your head... Not even the first one that used the right wing bullshit of brietbart tried to pass off this nutty conspiracy.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #52)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:12 PM

53. Only Doctor Who can hack a phone app that way!

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #52)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:17 PM

54. No amount of evidence

Short of Anon showing you the code, will convince you.

In fact, not even then. Why not admit it. After all, we all know bad programing is that much harder to penetrate.

As I wrote, it is possible. You will not even contemplate the possible. I guess, at this point, I have to consider the possibility, I know shocking, that you are simply closed minded to the mere possibility that something happened.

You first said that nothing really happened.

Well, it dd.

Have a good day.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #54)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:20 PM

56. No, I'll take ANY evidence. All you have offered denied your claim

I'll take anything.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #56)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:20 PM

58. Not even Anon, assuming they did it indeed,

Presenting actual code...we know that.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:08 PM

38. Illegally obtained evidence is admissible, as long as it isn't the government, or the government's

agent that's doing the illegal obtaining.

I have clients that have found this out the hard way.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:10 PM

39. Those are strawmen arguments. No one said their firewall was unbreakable. It only had to be secure

for a few minutes. No one said that they couldnt get evidence of "vote stealing software". Maybe they did and turned it over to authorities.

IMO we dont know what happened except that it suspiciously looks like Karl was expecting the same thing to happen in Ohio this year that happened in 2004. Or maybe he just had a bad gas attack.

Why are you so adamant that nothing bad happened? Conspiracy theories arent always wrong. And by the way, Karl's sole job is to conspire.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:14 PM

40. Here, a more extensive post on what we actually know happened

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:36 PM

43. Because there is no evidence that anything happened.

This is just praying to Santa Claus for something great to happen.

Anyone can claim to be Anonymous. Anyone can claim to have thwarted the evil 'genius' (sorry, I still when I say that) Rove.

There is no evidence.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:17 PM

55. A few minutes? WTF?

Now this miracle hack/DDoS attack... Whatever the hell else it is going to change into, does it's magic in a few minutes?

"IMO we dont know what happened except that it suspiciously looks like Karl was expecting the same thing to happen in Ohio this year that happened in 2004. Or maybe he just had a bad gas attack."

On a night repugs were getting their asses handed to them you need to create fantasy hacks/counter hacks (for which there is no evidence of either) to explain rove having a melt down?

"Why are you so adamant that nothing bad happened? Conspiracy theories arent always wrong. And by the way, Karl's sole job is to conspire. "

I never said" nothing bad happened". I'm saying there is no phone app that can also hack every voting maching, which was then stopped by some ever morphing good deed by Anonymous... Especially since there is zero evidence either thing happened.

That is what I am being adament about. Why are you defending two events that cancel each other out and leave no sign that either existed? It makes no sense.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #55)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:20 PM

57. You are right, it's not the phone app

In that you are correct.

After that...well... Have a good day.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #57)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:22 PM

60. And of all the tens of thousand they have out, not a single one was saved?

They all disappeared? or was it that there is nothing in the app that is even close to a vote hack? Have fun with the fantasy

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:24 PM

61. You have fun with your fantasy as well

good bye Joe

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:28 PM

64. A fantasy that lots of people had the app?

You watch too many movies, you believe movie programming is how things work.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #55)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:30 PM

67. There are some good explainations on the intertubes detailing how

easy it is to flip electronic votes. It is not necessary to hack every computer. In 2004 the tabulating system went down and the "back-up" system took over. In a matter of minutes the system was back up and low and behold we had new results. It only takes a few microseconds. This year the system went down again at the same time as in 2004. But this time something went wrong. It would have been only necessary to block the signal for seconds to interrupt the flip.

The technology is available and the oligarchs have the money to buy it. And Rove's job is to conspire to steal elections. It kinda looks like a duck to me. I am not claiming it happened but seems possible that something like it did happen.

I am certainly not claiming that every voting machine was hacked. I believe that there was an attempt by Rove to steal the election in Ohio just like he did in 2004. Something when badly wrong. Whether it was Anon or not, I dont claim to know. But I am trying to keep an open mind.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:52 PM

29. The truth will always, eventually, come out.

 

Password protected firewall, DDS, combination of the two.

Rove's slam dunk was rejected and the clock ran out. Even on the FUX "news" clock.

You're welcome.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:48 PM

46. Oh, no surprise

Mittens didn't even write a concession speech which is unheard of, they all thought it was in the bag. Too much crap going on with the voting machines there and no inspections allowed on them before Nov 6th.

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Response to Milliesmom (Reply #46)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:06 PM

50. and

remember, the one who wanted to punch the President, Tagg rmoney, had a hand in getting those Ohio voting machines into that state. Kind of suspicious to me.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:21 PM

59. There is likely no evidence to support Anonymous' claim

There is likely no evidence to support Anonymous' claim
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021845315

Note, that is based on the same article in the OP.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:25 PM

62. So the Ohio system went down at 11:13 p.m. in 2004...

...and again at precisely the same time in 2012?

Isn't this rather unusual?

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Response to KansDem (Reply #62)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:27 PM

63. No, what's unusual is that both those years have a '2' in them.

Think about it.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:02 PM

73. Just finished re-watching a 20 minute clip of Rove/FoxNews/Ohio and

I missed how much he brought up the Secretary of State's (Husted?) website. He did it several times and then seemed disturbed/shocked the site had crashed, concentrating on 900+ vote difference again, several times and reiterated that the Fox News folks called Ohio for Obama way to early.

KKKarl did not have the same fascination with Florida.....found that a little strange as Florida I thought was also ripe for the picking.

So much strange shit going on. How easy it would be to hide theft in plain sight.



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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:36 PM

77. KOS: Jesus Fucking Christ

Jesus Fucking Christ (45+ / 0-)

Rove had nothing to do with Orca. This is idiotic. As is this stupid claim that Anonymous stopped anything.

I swear to fucking god, the "Rove was going to steal the election" bullshit is patently ridiculous. And, in fact, it's CT.

So warning here, where people might or might not see it -- I will wield the ban-hammer ruthlessly against anyone who further spreads this shit.


by kos on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 10:24:16 PM PST

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