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Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:11 AM

Does Anyone Here Think That Anon Was Trying To Push Rove Into Outing Himself.....

and that his meltdown on election night on Fox was just short of that. He almost did out himself and those of us that watched that meltdown live - and now again watching it on the video clips - have been made to suspect what he tried to do because of his hysteric actions as he watched Fox call Ohio for Obama.

How cool would it have been if Rove outed himself that night?

I'm hoping, however, that Anon sent a message to Rove to not try to rig an election again and that maybe next time they just might push it to where Rove gets caught or they turn evidence over to the proper authorities if he did. A warning shot over the bow.

Let's hope Rove - soiled his underwear on Nov 6, 2012 - and that he'll never attempt to rig an election again. Let's hope Rove just fades off into the sunset - ostracized by his own party and the big money donors he looted - and under the suspicion of a whole bunch of Americans that would like to see him hauled off to jail in an orange jumpsuit.

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Reply Does Anyone Here Think That Anon Was Trying To Push Rove Into Outing Himself..... (Original post)
global1 Nov 2012 OP
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #1
Generic Other Nov 2012 #2
Dubster Nov 2012 #3
cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #4
Whisp Nov 2012 #5
Stevepol Nov 2012 #11
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #13
Whisp Nov 2012 #15
sendero Nov 2012 #27
uponit7771 Nov 2012 #36
sendero Nov 2012 #49
Skittles Nov 2012 #29
Zorra Nov 2012 #43
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #6
villager Nov 2012 #26
Wind Dancer Nov 2012 #44
Downwinder Nov 2012 #7
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #8
loudsue Nov 2012 #9
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #12
aletier_v Nov 2012 #19
HipChick Nov 2012 #20
Zorra Nov 2012 #47
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #21
uponit7771 Nov 2012 #37
santamargarita Nov 2012 #10
chuckstevens Nov 2012 #14
gravity Nov 2012 #16
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #22
jeff47 Nov 2012 #34
loudsue Nov 2012 #35
jeff47 Nov 2012 #39
loudsue Nov 2012 #40
jeff47 Nov 2012 #41
argiel1234 Nov 2012 #25
jeff47 Nov 2012 #17
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #23
jeff47 Nov 2012 #33
marions ghost Nov 2012 #42
randome Nov 2012 #45
marions ghost Nov 2012 #46
jeff47 Nov 2012 #48
arely staircase Nov 2012 #18
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #24
uponit7771 Nov 2012 #38
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #28
Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #30
randome Nov 2012 #31
Coyotl Nov 2012 #32
RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #50

Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:18 AM

1. Rove shit his shorts on election night alright

The question remains to be seen is if he will stop his criminal activity.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:31 AM

2. Watching it live that night, I thought he very much outed himself

Something he 100% expected to happen did not. And all that money his super pac collected was advance payment on a job that didn't get finished. Yeah. Rove got outsmarted. Someone either chickened out or Anonymous did him in.

Whichever way it happened, I hope he is hurting bigtime. Maybe being forced to give back all the money.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:38 AM

3. Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team)

 

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:39 AM

4. And balloon boy was promoting better FAA small-craft guidelines.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:40 AM

5. anyone have a good clip of that Rove meltdown, I haven't seen it yet n/t

 

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Response to Whisp (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:07 PM

11. Here's one clip.



This is exactly the way he handled things in 04, except in that case the electronic fix worked.

If his fix had worked, no reporter would have had the courage to even hint that there might be skulduggery involved. It would have been just like 04.

I believe the suggestion that Anon carried out a counter fix with a firewall is very believeable.

Since we don't have transparency in our elections, there's no way to know for sure of course. But for my money Rove's meltdown is a give-away that he had fixed the thing and it didn't happen -- for whatever reason.

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Response to Stevepol (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:12 PM

13. +1000 nt

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Response to Stevepol (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:57 PM

15. thanks, Stevepol

 

first time I've seen that. it's beautiful to see a flailing flustered Rove.

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Response to Stevepol (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:50 PM

27. Ok..

... I have watched that video twice, and to be honest I think the characterizations of Rove as having a "meltdown" are ridiculous.

What meltdown? Did he shout or cry or even raise his voice a little? He did nothing of the sort - he said there is only a 900 vote difference with 25% of the vote yet to be counted. To claim that he had a "meltdown" is beyond hyperbole.

Sure he wanted to win Ohio, just like we did. Sure he had a lot riding on it. But meltdown? There was no meltdown, maybe a bit of denial.

Rove's performance as an indicator that the results of this election came as a surprise? Yes. Proof that Rove was expecting a deux ex machina that did not appear? Nonsense.

Whether or not someone was trying/expecting to rig an election, well I have no opinion because I have no facts. It would not surprise me, but then I'd need to see SOME SORT of evidence. Rove's performance simply is not such evidence IMHO, not even close and trying to call it a "meltdown" doesn't make it evidence either.

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Response to sendero (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:49 AM

36. The meltdown was to go against the statisticians who had been doing this all their career he looked

....like a nut

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:47 AM

49. Seriously..

..... those people have been WRONG many many times.

When someone says "meltdown", I translate that, as I believe most people do, into "emotional outburst".

There was no emotional outburst in that clip. there was no meltdown.

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Response to Stevepol (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:02 PM

29. the stats guy actually seems kinda cool

he said DEMOCRATIC and not DEMOCRAT like Karl Rove, and did not seem flustered to be taking on Karl

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Response to Stevepol (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:01 PM

43. Now, compare that to this Karl Rove election night video ~ Florida 2000.



NYT: Rove’s On-Air Rebuttal of Fox’s Ohio Vote Call Raises Questions About His Role
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/us/politics/roves-on-air-rebuttal-of-foxs-ohio-vote-call-raises-questions-about-his-role.html?_r=0
Indeed, in his 2010 memoir, “Courage and Consequence,” Mr. Rove recounts his dismay as NBC, CNN, CBS and an exit polling firm all called Florida for Al Gore before the polls in the state’s Panhandle had closed.

“The networks calling Florida for Gore,” he wrote, “turned the media from observers to participants in the presidential race.”

But Mr. Rove plays a more freighted role than campaign historian. There is no one quite like him in politics today. With a vast treasury at his disposal, he can direct huge sums of money to candidates, while helping shape political perceptions through his roles commenting for Fox News and writing a column for The Wall Street Journal.

“He is famous for not being out of the loop,” said Craig Unger, who wrote “Boss Rove,” a biography that examined his rise as a power player in the 2012 presidential campaign. His work on campaigns gives him access to both top Republican strategists and local operatives who know what is happening county by county, Mr. Unger noted. “He’s not just another pundit.”


"He's not just another pundit".

Indeed.



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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:41 AM

6. At this point the only thing that would surprise me

Is if everything turned out to be exactly as it seems on the surface.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:47 PM

26. +1

n/t

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:04 PM

44. Ditto! n/t

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:47 PM

7. Wonder if the last minute patches were to take the FIX out.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:49 PM

8. Only the conspiracy theorists. n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:52 PM

9. Because we all know that conspiracies in politics do not exist.

In fact, there is no such word as "conspiracy" because it doesn't describe or define anything.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:12 PM

12. Oh brother

 



And the layers and artifacts in the digital copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate PROVES, PROVES I SAY, that it is a fake!!!!

As if I even needed the tag

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:32 PM

20. oh boy..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:40 PM

47. seems that post won him a free pizza!

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:34 PM

21. You've never heard of "Watergate"?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:50 AM

37. Nah...and there was no magic bullet report....that document was really named magic underwear

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:53 PM

10. Anon let them believe they were stealing Ohio just...

Like 2004. That was priceless!

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:15 PM

14. Why isn't this being taken seriously?

The mainstream media won't mention this and I'll bet the Obama administration will avoid any investigations Let's prove that

A. Rove planned to steal the election, but was stopped.
B. Romney and Ryan knew about it and expected to win.
C. Many Republicans leaders all knew about it.

If this could be done, the GOP will be finished for good and go the way of the Federalist Party after the treasonous Hartford Convention of 1814. The American people have a right to know the desperate levels the Republicans will go to in order to subvert the democratic process.


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Response to chuckstevens (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:01 PM

16. How did Rove plan to steal the election

and what evidence do you have supporting it?

The media won't take it seriously unless you have a specific scenario with evidence to back it up.

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Response to gravity (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:36 PM

22. Google.......

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:50 PM

34. And you can't Google and cut-n-paste the results because..........?

If you have such fantastic evidence, present it and win people over.

If you 'can't be bothered', well then that makes it pretty clear you're peddling bullshit.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:44 AM

35. There is way too much evidence. You would have to link to

thousands of hours of research on DU. In fact, a plenty of it was done right after the election. If you haven't been around here and seen it all, or didn't read the threads that had all the proof, it's a little too late to catch you up on it. It's not "a link". It is a whole library full of links.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:11 PM

39. No, there isn't

There's way too many stories where people make allegations.

There's little to no evidence.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:29 PM

40. Excuse me. You must be the authority here.

If you have your own agenda, nobody is going to educate you otherwise.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:32 PM

41. Again, all you have to do is post some actual evidence.

I'm happy to be convinced. But innuendo isn't going to do it. So make with the actual evidence.

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Response to gravity (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:45 PM

25. the media is owned lock stock and barrel by right wing republicans

 

of course the right wing fascist media owned companies and their billionaire ceos wont take it seriously

anon does not answer to you...


ahahaha

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Response to chuckstevens (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:16 PM

17. Because it's a stupid conspiracy theory that makes Rove an evil genius

instead of the incompetent boob he actually is.

Consider this: Rove almost lost in 2004 (or did, depending on how conspiracy minded you are). Sitting president, good popularity, two wars going on, and Rove barely pulled off a win. If Rove was competent, 2004 would have been a landslide.

As for this election, Rove, Romney, Ryan and many others bought into the "polls are skewed" argument.

They thought the electorate would look like 2004, not 2008. They adjusted their polling to match that expectation. They were wrong, and the electorate looked like 2008.

Why was Rove shocked? Because his "unskewed" polls show the Republicans would win....and he'd just spent a billion dollars losing. And losing. And losing. In addition, Rove has marketed himself since 2000 as an expert on Ohio. And he got it very wrong. He was shocked because the loss demonstrated his career is over and he was coming to terms with his upcoming unemployment.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:37 PM

23. $300 million. Diebold. "Almost lost" = "won." Rove knew the correct polls; you think YOU knew more?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:48 PM

33. I provided information backed by news stories

You provided "Look over there!!! EVIL!!!!"

If you actually have evidence, present it. Otherwise, you're just wasting time propping up a lousy campaign operative.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:59 PM

42. Rove "an incompetent boob" ?

He has a brilliant criminal mind.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:07 PM

45. Right. Palin was a brilliant masterstroke. Romney was another brilliant masterstroke.

Rove 'brilliant'?

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Response to randome (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:27 PM

46. Palin and Romney are losers

The writers of "Bush's Brain" used the word "brilliant." I'll stand by the word re Carl Rove.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:06 PM

48. A brilliant man would have created a landslide in 2004. Rove didn't.

It wasn't a difficult election for W - incumbent, still fairly popular, running two wars the country still believed in. Huge tax cut give-aways. It should have been easy. And it wasn't. Because while Rove is good at self-promotion, he's pretty bad at running campaigns.

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Response to chuckstevens (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:24 PM

18. why aren't claims by (literally) anonymous random people on the internet taken seriously?

seriously?

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:39 PM

24. IDK; is everyone who posts anything a fabulist? Physician, then heal thyself.

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Response to chuckstevens (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:52 AM

38. The GOP would NOT be done, after Bush the GOP will stick around like roaches...

...no seriously...

Look at ALL the ways the GOP fucked up last decade....

Those people could care less about democracy, look at their voter suppression efforts

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:51 PM

28. what they're doing is giving rove a scapegoat for why he failed.

 

if they did do something...they should have stayed quiet about it.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:08 PM

30. Kick and Rec

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:10 PM

31. People who think Rove gave visual clues to his mood on election night watch too many dramas on TV.

The only way on television to show a character's inner thoughts is to visually show them.

If Rove thought Ohio was being flipped somehow, he would not display his emotions so readily. It would not even matter what Fox said, he would know it was in the bag.

True criminals do not give us 'clues' about their inner thoughts.

This idea is ludicrous.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:12 PM

32. Is someone trying to out Anon with the fake video?

How will Anon react to being impersonated in such a low-quality fake video?

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:51 AM

50. This story has the trolls all worked up

I'm loving it

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