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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:06 PM

'Occupy' Doctor Had Bomb-Making Chemicals In Ridgewood Basement, Authorities Charge

A New York doctor who was active in the Occupy Wall Street movement of 2011 was charged Saturday with possessing a large quantity of chemicals used in bomb-making, hours after authorities conducted a raid on the Ridgewood house in which he lived, officials said.

Roberto Rivera, 60, a medical doctor, was charged with recklessly creating a risk of widespread injury or damage after FBI agents and members of the Bergen County bomb squad found precursor chemicals used in the making of explosives, Bergen County Prosecutor John Molinelli said in a release Saturday afternoon.

http://ridgewood.patch.com/articles/possible-public-safety-threat-probed-on-union-st

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Reply 'Occupy' Doctor Had Bomb-Making Chemicals In Ridgewood Basement, Authorities Charge (Original post)
FarCenter Nov 2012 OP
SidDithers Nov 2012 #1
oldhippydude Nov 2012 #2
Cleita Nov 2012 #3
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #4
Cleita Nov 2012 #8
FarCenter Nov 2012 #15
Cleita Nov 2012 #23
LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #16
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #17
Cleita Nov 2012 #18
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #24
Cleita Nov 2012 #30
LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #22
Cleita Nov 2012 #26
FarCenter Nov 2012 #7
Cleita Nov 2012 #12
TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #42
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #14
intaglio Nov 2012 #40
Fumesucker Nov 2012 #10
Cleita Nov 2012 #13
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #36
Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #37
Matariki Nov 2012 #41
greytdemocrat Nov 2012 #5
Cleita Nov 2012 #6
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #9
greytdemocrat Nov 2012 #11
Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #32
PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #19
woo me with science Nov 2012 #20
Cleita Nov 2012 #21
woo me with science Nov 2012 #31
Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #33
Drew Richards Nov 2012 #25
Cleita Nov 2012 #28
madinmaryland Nov 2012 #27
WhoIsNumberNone Nov 2012 #29
sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #34
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #38
DemoTex Nov 2012 #35
JoeyT Nov 2012 #39
Cleita Nov 2012 #43

Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:07 PM

1. A doctor provocateur, surely...nt

Sid

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:09 PM

2. obviously premedicated....n/t

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:10 PM

3. Did he have chemical fertilizers in his garage?

You can make bombs from it, but why can't this report say what exact chemicals were found.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:12 PM

4. Hell, household cleaners under my sink

and I will leave it at that. Reminds me of the good ol' WMD threads in Usenet before Gulf War II, those Republicans were scared to no end. until some of us pointed out just how many potential nastiness could happen.

What I find curious is the Occupy Doctor in the headline.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:20 PM

8. Yep. I had a visitor to my house who got all upset about my Oleander shrubs.

I took her around my yard and pointed out just how many poisonous plants I had in my garden that are common ornamentals in most people's gardens.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:29 PM

15. Outside your door?

Oleanders growing outside her door
Soon they're gonna be in bloom
Up in Annandale
I can't stand her
Doing what she did before
Living like a gypsy queen
In a fairy tale
Well I hear the whistle but I can't go
I'm gonna take her down to Mexico
She said oh no
Guadalajara won't do

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:48 PM

23. Actually mine function like a hedge screen.

Since I live in California, and we don't get a whole lot of year round rain, they are very hardy during the dry season and have really pretty flowers and they are evergreen. They are a really nice ornamental shrub. Also, garden pests know they are poisonous so they leave them alone. They are one of a few plants that every part is poisonous, the roots, the stems, the leaves, the flowers and the seeds.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:30 PM

16. Yup. Daffodils, lily-of-the-valley, yews, rhubarb leaves

and so many more plants.

Mother Nature's own poison factories.

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:31 PM

17. One reason I don't have plants

Two curious parrots.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:36 PM

18. Actually, animals are amazingly astute about what is poisonous or not.

My garden is full of birds. They know what can be eaten and want isn't good. Only man made poisons for garden pests can fool them, especially if they eat bugs or snails that have eaten pest control poisons, so I don't use anything toxic in my garden. The deer who are very fond of my roses know to never go near the Oleander, fox gloves and the night shades.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:48 PM

24. Yeah, but the kids have been indoor birds all their lives.

It s actually a concern.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:55 PM

30. Oh sure it is and you need to go with what you are

comfortable with.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:45 PM

22. Very good idea.

There are indoor plants I won't allow in the house, like dracaena, because it's so toxic. With two cats and two dogs, it's too risky.

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:51 PM

26. True, you don't have to put poisonous plants indoors if you have pets

and children. The people at the nursery usually know which is which. I like to keep orchids indoors and my cat just ignores them other than batting the drooping ones with his paw every now and then.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:19 PM

7. From the "volatile liquid" description, probably acetone

$17 / gallon at Home Depot.

It is used with hydrogen peroxide to make triacetone triperoxide.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/tatp.htm

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:23 PM

12. Acetone is also in nail polish remover. Could it be in paint remover too?

Everyone has bleach in various forms throughout their house and medicine cabinet. Really? I mean if there was a sort of bomb assembled, and then there were the chemicals in the same area, then I would worry.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:36 AM

42. you can buy pure acetone as a paint and varnish remover

at the hardware store. Actually I think I got some for getting varnish out of some brushes. Acetone even in pure form is a normal household product one might have for taking out paint, varnish, certain glues and stuff like that. I had no idea there were so many different kinds and mixtures of removers until I went to the hardware store looking for something to clean those brushes. I always thought paint remover was just one type of average stuff, but there's sooooo many different types of solvents for so many different things.

I would guess they could tell if the purpose was for bomb making if he had large quantities of stuff and especially all in the same area and all of them for bomb making.


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Response to FarCenter (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:26 PM

14. I am in trouble

Probably you too. I have acetone, used to remove nail polish and great if you stick fingers with super glue...I got hydrogen peroxide in my first aid kit.

I know it is the quantities.

There are a few other things under your sink that have potential. PSA, a few household cleaners, when accidentally (most of the time) mixed, could prove deadly, and become a wonderful hazmat situation...and don't get me started with what is sold to kill bugs.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:59 AM

40. Also used by people making boats with epoxy

and the catalyst for epoxy is a peroxide ...

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Response to Cleita (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:22 PM

10. Because you can make "bombs" from stuff most people have around their homes

Not just chemical fertilizer.

That headline is PR gold for TPTB.

This picture is apparently of an accident involving a substance common in millions of homes in the US.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:26 PM

13. Yes, you can and almost anyone who had chemistry in high school

pretty much would know what could be used.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:24 PM

36. Pickled eggs and beer?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #36)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:29 PM

37. LOL! That'll do the trick. Noxious fumes production.

But, for a WMD grade threat Kimchee and Beer is devastating.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:06 AM

41. Indeed. I knew some people whose house was raided during the 80's "satanist" scare

The police reported to the newspapers that they found explosives, a baptismal font, and restraining devices for children on the premises.

What they actually found was legal firecrackers (the 4th of July was just around the corner), a kiddie pool for their two young children and one of those bouncy seats you put your kids into (it has straps so they don't fall out).

From that I learned to have a great deal of healthy skepticism about reports of 'explosives', bomb making material, and so forth. Until specifics are offered.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:13 PM

5. Hmmmm.

Clearly a Rovian plot.

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Response to greytdemocrat (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:18 PM

6. Smells like witch hunt to me. n/t

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Response to Cleita (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:21 PM

9. Much agreed!

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Response to Cleita (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:22 PM

11. Well...

With all those chemicals it must surely smell of something.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:58 PM

32. Thank You!!!

As I was reading through here I was hoping some one would say something! I don't like the how little info there is on this.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:38 PM

19. "but authorities did not disclose the names of the chemicals found in the house." n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:39 PM

20. +1

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:43 PM

21. That's because it's probably ordinary stuff like chemical fertilizer,

bleach and other stuff used around the home. I would only be suspicious if there was also the hardware around to assemble a bomb. This so stinks of witch hunt to me.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:55 PM

31. Witch hunt and OWS-smearing propaganda. nt

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:59 PM

33. +2 nt

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:50 PM

25. I noticed that they dont say in the article

under what or WHOS aegis a warrant ...if there was one...was sworn out for this doctors home?

Oh yes yes the f)*&)(*& patriot act is such a good thing isint it...it will NEVER be used against us....

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Response to Drew Richards (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:54 PM

28. The problem with accusatory articles like this is that they will be picked up by people

who just want to trash the Occupy Movement like it's gospel truth. Even when stuff like this is debunked like by Snopes for instance, the damage has been done already. They said the Doctor wasn't employed, but he was sixty years old and maybe retired. You know the devil is in the details.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:52 PM

27. It was probably just "bong-making" chemicals.

Idiots.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:55 PM

29. Lemme guess...

Corn syrup, mothballs and ammonia.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:01 PM

34. Well, if he's making bombs, he doesn't belong to the Occupy

Movement. He's automatically disqualified. Sounds more like he belongs to some branch of the US Government who make bombs all the time AND they use them, which no one seems to care about.

That should be obvious considering how clear it has been made that Occupy is a non-violent movement. Dumb article, dumb headline.

More nonsense to try to discredit a Social Justice Movment which will only be successful with those who hate it anyway.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:38 PM

38. This smells of propaganda

to be honest, after all we all have precursor agents at home... I am serious as a heart attack.

What can I say?

And if for whatever reason he was... the occupy part is not what matters here.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:15 PM

35. Doc Sarvis of The Monkey Wrench Gang?

Edward Abbey lives!

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:30 PM

39. No mention of what the chemicals were?

Everyone in this thread has bomb making chemicals in their house. The word "precursor" is important: If he'd made anything remotely resembling a bomb, had instructions to make a bomb, or had spoken of making a bomb, they wouldn't have said precursors.

The "bomb making chemicals" could have been certain kinds of fertilizer, methanol, ethanol, diesel, gasoline, or a whole bunch of other stuff.*

So I think I'll wait for some actual evidence before I insist the Occupy movement is full of terrorists. Though I do note the glee the usual suspects are taking in this.

He declined to provide any details but said the situation could be a "public safety threat."


Woodruff would not confirm any details or specify how the bureau was assisting.


I mean, good grief. What more evidence could we need?

*Edited to add: Bug spray, hair spray, propane, road flares, matches: Basically anything that's a liquid or powder and burns well. Technically you create a "Large amount of volatile material" by filling up your gas tank.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:26 PM

43. Yes, people forget that the "bombs" used by the terrorists in the 9/11

attack were fuel filled airplanes. There was nothing exotic here. This is nothing more than a witch hunt meant to discredit Occupy.

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