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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:44 PM

 

Weed

I couldn't care less if people want to smoke weed. But I know this too. People who I know who wake and bake and have for many years exhibit varying problems with memory. And I'll say it again, I don't care if they smoke weed or have memory loss, it's not my business. Most mind altering substances have this effect over long use. Is it O.K. if this discussion doesn't include medicinal properties, because that can be for another time?

By all means lite up. But my choice, for me, is too be cautious with weed. And I might go so far as to dissuade a youngster from becoming a person who is never sober, like so many I know. Gosh, it almost seems unpopular to say that sobriety is a nice thing.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:51 PM

1. It should be legal, taxed

and regulated. Simple. And I do have to agree that it should be for adults only as the brains of teens are still developing and there is so much we do not know (and some we do) about the effects of many drugs on developing brains. Actually the latest research shows that our brains are still developing until our mid twenties, later for males.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:57 PM

2. true. However, I don't think illegalization helps anyone normalize any of that, because the things

that drive all of that behavior will not change with legalization and will continue with or without cannabis and/or alcohol, though, of the two, my personal experiences show that self-medicating with alcohol is much more profoundly and long-term dangerous than the depredations of cannabis.

All of us should be talking about why so many people are unhappy and seeking ways to divert themselves from that fact, with legal medications and otherwise. And important related topic questions are: what religion is doing to us; what successful parenting is; and why our schools don't seem to be able to provide people with the tools they need to answer these kinds of questions about happiness HONESTLY in their own lives.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:57 PM

3. Ive never smoked weed, because of the (i)legality of it.

But from what I gather, its effects on the human body are less dangereus than alcohol. So I reason it should be legalized.

As far as memory loss, stress causes a lot more brain cell to die than any pot or alcohol combined imo. Stress kills. Sometimes reality can be extreamly shitty and one needs to escape it, even if just for a lil while.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:06 PM

5. agree

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:01 PM

4. In the last 5 years

I completely quit drinking alcohol and have toyed with stopping the smoke. I've gone weeks, even months without a toke and I'm here to tell you that I don't have a problem with memory. My creativity under the influence if you will is as good as it ever was, above average I might add, btw. Due to my personal experience I don't agree with anything you say here and to me it speaks more of the kind you surround yourself with rather than what is. My opinion, nothing personal.
My apologies if it sounds like a personal attack. It's not my intent.
Peace

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Response to madokie (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:13 PM

7. you may

 

have great genetics, or, you'd have an even greater memory without weed. Or, weed enhances your ability to memorize. Oh, wait, you metioned creativity.

Well that's different. I'd like to see your art.

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Response to salinen (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:08 PM

16. Didn't say anything about art

creativity I did
You've have to come visit me to get a feel for that.
If you know what I mean that is

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:12 PM

6. sorry but you can't seperate the medicinal benefits from the discussion

At least not for medical marijuana patients. This medicine has been a miracle for my husband and for dozens of other patients he knows. Now, as far as recreational use I do believe that part of these laws is that education on health benefits and health problems are to be included. That is what some of the taxes will go towards. As far as never being sober I think that is a generalization. Yes, there are people out there that drink or do drugs and are never sober. There are also millions of people who have a beer after coming home from work. Some people have a glass of wine with dinner. And some ejnoy a little marijuana to ease anxiety, ease aches and pains, or help them go to sleep at night.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:15 PM

10. Yes indeedy

 

Different strokes. No doubt about it's medicinal value.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:14 PM

8. From my personal experience, I have smoked for 40+ years and don't find my

memory loss to be any greater than others my age who never smoked. I have seen a lot of lives ruined by alcohol and other drugs, but I've never known mj alone to have that effect. YMMV.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:15 PM

9. If you could care less, why did you make this post? n/t

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:16 PM

11. Only because I see

 

many posts here extolling the virtues and I think that there are also some non-virtues.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:17 PM

12. Abuse of most things, even seemingly harmless ones, will usually lead to

problems in the future, like memory loss, or liver failure, or obesity. I mean pick what you plan on abusing and it will catch up with you eventually. Also, sobriety isn't always a nice thing. Some people with chronic anxiety and other personality problems often benefit from some mellowing out with psychotropic substances.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:26 PM

13. Here's the thing. If they stop smoking for awhile, their short-term memory will come back.

 

It's been examined and explained (not here of course). If you have the education to understand and want to know, just google it and get past all the BS U.S. pages that are returned.

Any substance that is abused will have deleterious effects, the great thing about pot is that none of them are permanent.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:31 PM

14. I'll check that out

 

thanks.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:06 PM

15. Everybody has their own drug...

Some have religion for their drug. Some use power as a drug. Some drink coffee. Some smoke squares. It seems to me that everybody is trying to use something to escape the present reality, in some form or other?

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:24 PM

17. I've only seen that with heavy use and not in 100% of heavy users.

No psychoactive substance is completely benign. Neither is weed. However, adults in a free society should have the legal right to partake or leave it alone as their own lives and consciences dictate.

Prohibition never works. All it does is create conditions for gangs to arise and a black market to flourish. Whatever substance is prohibited always gets through and people who should not be labeled criminals for casual use are thrown into prison.

We can't afford this. End the drug war NOW.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:35 PM

18. I've known many people that ..

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... never touched pot, with terrible memories, and people who smoke daily that are like walking libraries. Don't happen to indulge in it myself anymore, just makes me too sleepy. But quite frankly, the most self-righteous, pompous asses I've ever known were sober.

Go figger, eh?

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:15 PM

19. Not all pot users wake and bake.

Many of us wake and go to work.

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