Two Monkeys Were Paid Unequally; See What Happens Next

[StrictlyRockers]

Any questions?

[gollygee]

1. That was hilarious

They have so much personality.

[arthritisR_US]

33. That is exactly what I said out loud while chuckling!

[Rockyj]

59. I wonder if their personalities would change...

If one Monkey was forced to watch only Fox News & the other Monkey MSNBC?

[pscot]

80. Cruelty to dumb animals

Peta would come down on them like a thousand of brick.

[awoke_in_2003]

89. I wouldn't call any of the primates dumb. nt

[pscot]

93. Obviously you didn't see Meet the Press

this morning.

[awoke_in_2003]

94. Good point. nt

[GaYellowDawg]

95. Really?

Peta would come down on them like a thousand of brick.

Because fuck PETA. Bunch of self-promoters whose usefulness passed some time ago.

[tblue]

66. It is and it really really isn't.

I think of how black people and women* have been systematically under-compensated and all the efforts to stifle their voices and deny them validation. It's not funny.

Who can blame anyone in that position for throwing back the cucumber?

*Full disclosure: I am both but I would say this even if i wasn't.

[rocktivity]

2. They should have switched

they should have started giving the monkey on the right the cucumber!


rocktivity

[flying rabbit]

3. We haven't evolved that much. nt

[99th_Monkey]

69. What would be so "evolved" about not caring? ~nt

[ancianita]

4. Priceless.

[HopeHoops]

5. K&R!!!

[Autumn]

6. No questions at all. I understand that completely

Awesome.

[StrictlyRockers]

7. This cracks me up every time I watch it!

That little monkey knows she's not being given equal pay for equal work.

When she throws the piece of cucumber at the lab worker, I burst out laughing every time! Too funny!!

[xtraxritical]

67. I like it at the end where he says "this is basically the Wall St. protest that you see here.".

I'm sure he's referring to Occupy and Zucotti Park.

[surrealAmerican]

8. k & r

great video

[Poll_Blind]

9. FUCKIN' AYE!

PB

[nc4bo]

10. It kind of speaks for itself doesn't it.

I found that very interesting.

Thanks for posting!

[Spazito]

11. I love this....

and how the speaker relates it to the Wall Street protests. Excellent comparison.

[barnabas63]

12. FOOD FIGHT!

[dem4ward]

13. Great video! Point proven!

[teewrex]

14. I think those monkeys are smarter than we are

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. The question would be whether you can convince the one getting cucumber to enjoy it

Would be interesting to see whether you can develop ideology among capuchin's: can you get the cucumber monkey to desire its own repression. If not, then monkeys would be more evolved than humans!

[JDPriestly]

27. Cucumbers have less sugar than grapes, so you probably could not.

[baldguy]

83. Make it look like regularly getting a grape is a bad deal.

Just say "The monkeys who say everyone should get grapes? They want all the grapes for themselves! You know you get a grape every once in a while under the current system, right? Well, with them you'll never get any grapes, ever! And they want to take your cucumber away from you, too!"

Or distract them with irrelevancies or plain lies: "You know, those other monkeys? You know, they're communists and atheists!"

[Smarmie Doofus]

76. Or more honest. n/t

[AnOhioan]

15. Perfect, Love it

[SpartanDem]

16. Someone foward this to the RNC

maybe they'll finally understand the concept.

[nolabear]

17. Makes perfect sense to me. The GOP solution is to starve the monkey til it takes anything.

And then to look down on it for only having cucumber.

[Matariki]

25. Your post is as profoundly insightful as it is sad.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

71. Truly.

[JDPriestly]

28. Very true.

[PATXgirl]

32. Nailed it!!

[malthaussen]

84. Yer a bloody philosopher, Nolabear. n/t

[ProudProgressiveNow]

18. K&R nt

[MissNostalgia]

20. This can be related to information in America

I think the rest of the world is more informed than us in America, they get the grapes of real journalism, so to speak.

<<<<<

While we get the cucumbers/stones of MSM. And on the rare occasion we do get a grape , it becomes under attack or destroyed, for example KPOJ.

[StrictlyRockers]

29. Hey, great video.

Thanks for posting. We Americans can be so insular and provincial sometimes. I love hearing the opinions of people outside of our bubble of MSM-controlled information. Get your info from the internet FTW!!

[MissNostalgia]

36. Yes, I liked this video

It was refreshing to hear people speak of President Obama with a fair perspective, and not echo fox talking points.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

72. I love the "Romney's finished!" "Yes we can!" guy. Something about this report as compared to US

tv news reports. Maybe in the way they allowed silence as they showed the various locations and there was no commentary between or during the people speaking their opinions. Very interesting to see this from that perspective as well as seeing what some from other countries thought about the election.

thanks for posting. Also, K&R for the vid in the OP. Hilarious and fascinating.

[Smickey]

21. k&r n/t

[ReRe]

22. That was hillarious!

K&R

Thank you StrictlyRockers for sharing this. You rock!

[IADEMO2004]

23. Regret only one rec to give.

2 fun

[struggle4progress]

24. poor lil monkey!

[dchill]

26. Hilarious, except -

We're the Monkees!

[Major Nikon]

88. Not really

The disadvantaged monkeys will shit in their hand and throw it at you. Most humans do nothing. Some even encourage the paymaster.

[Warpy]

30. Wall Street better realize that our cages are made of

hot air and their wishful thinking. They'd better realize that there aren't enough cops to beat us all to pulp.

It would help if more of us would realize it, too.

[RagAss]

38. Amen.

[woo me with science]

40. [phone]

[SmileyRose]

64. + 1 gazillion

[Smarmie Doofus]

77. Good one:

"Wall Street better realize that our cages are made of

hot air and their wishful thinking. "

[WillyT]

86. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!!

[L0oniX]

92. 740 Park Ave. NY, NY = target!

[DianaForRussFeingold]

31. K&R More:

Elephants at 5:40:

Dogs have feelings too!

[StrictlyRockers]

35. Thanks for the grapes!

I've seen that dog voice over vid before, but it is still good for a laugh. Very well done.

[Lars39]

34. Notice, though, that the "grape" monkey didn't give his back or share with the other monkey.

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[Bucky]

37. I don't think we'll get them to replace the elephant with a grape monkey

[Cerridwen]

39. In a different combination of "chimps" one did

refuse the grape unless the other received a grape, too.

It's available at youtube in a longer clip of the video:

and comes up about 15:48.

There's more to the complete study than just this one snippet.

[StrictlyRockers]

41. Thanks for posting this, Cerridwen!

I love it when people do more of the research I was hoping to do. I was definitely interested in hearing more about this scientist's studies. He is very interesting.

[Cerridwen]

44. I may have to look for the whole thing.

These snippets, mine and the one in the OP, don't show the complete picture and can lead to false assumptions based on incomplete information.

Oh, and you're welcome.

[Lars39]

46. Ohhh, thanks for posting that, Cerridwen!

Gives one hope, doesn't it.

[Cerridwen]

49. It does, at that. :) n/t

[Egalitarian Thug]

68. +1 and thanks for putting this up. n/t

[Diclotican]

42. StrictlyRockers

StrictlyRockers

IT is sad when a monkey have better understanding of what is right - and what is wrong than most humans...

But it is also somewhat funny to look at - because it tells so much about how even a monkey can get understanding of what is right - and what is wrong - and that it is wrong to give one something delicious, and not the other ones...

Something they should try to learn on Wall Street maybe?

Diclotican

[StrictlyRockers]

51. Oh, I agree.

I think that by studying our animal cousins, there are many lessons we can learn on how to be more human. It may feel a bit ironic, but that's only because of our own misinformation on what we are and how we are supposed to act. "Human nature" is an old construct that serves an agenda. This guy is disproving some of those old assumptions.

[mick063]

43. If the monkey on the left

could understand Fox News, it would be happy with the cucumber.


Devo was right. We really have de evolved.

[SheilaT]

45. Humans need to take a lesson from this and

refuse to work for unequal pay.

The only reason the Evil Overlords get away with it is because, unlike the Capuchin monkeys, we don't just throw anything in their faces.

I wonder at what point the monkey getting cucumbers refused to give rocks, or if it continued doing its side of the task, always hoping for the better reward. If that's the case, then in that respect they are behaving exactly as humans behave: continuing to do something in the (futile) hope of getting a better reward.

[Lars39]

50. Or threw the rocks.

Looks like the person had a bit of riot gear on.

[RainDog]

47. k&r n/t

[kdmorris]

48. That was an awesome video!

Funny as hell, too...

[zbdent]

52. Ladies and gentlemen ... we have just seen ...

the first step to the future envisioned in "Planet of the Apes" ...

[meeshrox]

53. Awesome!

[PD Turk]

54. Awesome

I'd be curious to know if it went on for a while, is there a point where the cucumber monkey goes "on strike" and refuses to do the work of handing the rock out?

[progressoid]

55. Awww, I hope they gave him/her some grapes eventually.

[reformist2]

56. I love how the monkey tested the rock to make sure he/she wasn't doing anything wrong!

[burrowowl]

57. Even Monkeys Know

what injustice means!

[ohheckyeah]

58. LOL...

smart monkey
.

[Shankapotomus]

60. This should go in the Video section too

K & R

[StrictlyRockers]

63. Will do. n/t

[Historic NY]

61. We don't want not stinking cucumber!...

smart monkees, grapes make wine, wine is good, its mommies little helper.

[AverageJoe90]

96. Lulz. =p

[tclambert]

62. I'm gonna go tell my boss I'm sick of cucumbers!

[Change has come]

65. Too cute!

[Cha]

70. Smart the Capuchin Monkeys! Shaking

the cage with his little arm..throwing back rocks and cucumbers.. poor thing!


Thanks for the Vid, StrictlyRockers~

[Journeyman]

73. K&R. . .

[trof]

74. K&R

[magical thyme]

75. I don't need to see the video to guess that the well-paid monkey shared

I just saw a NOVA special on animal psychology.

Not only did the monkeys share, so did the (4-legged) rats. In fact, the free rat worked very hard to figure out the trap and release the trapped rat in order to share with it.

It was only the 2-legged rats that didn't share.

The one qualifier I would add. The well-paid animals were also well-fed. I wonder how it would go if both animals were very hungry, not just looking for a treat for truly hungry. But I would not like that experiment to be performed. I had a real problem with animal experiments. Too often they are proving what simple observation, without deliberately inflicting suffering, shows us every day.

[slackmaster]

78. Failed analogy. The monkeys are being "paid" for doing nothing.

Humans are smart enough to understand that wagers are compensation for labor done or services rendered.

[rjones2818]

79. The bosses will actually love this....

The monkey on the left, while protesting, keeps giving her keeper a rock.

Keep that in mind.

The bosses would see this as a great thing. Sure, they won't enjoy getting covered with metaphorical cucumbers, but they still get the work done for them. Plus, they get to keep the metaphorical cucumber that's thrown back at them. What's not to love? They'll keep doing that until the monkey actually stops giving the rock.

Then Hostess happens.

[Yavin4]

81. Ah, See This Is Why Fox News Exists

These monkeys need to be propagandized into thinking that the unfair pay is due to some other darker species of monkey.

[baldguy]

82. The monkey on the left needs a union.

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And the monkey on the right no doubt thinks this is the natural order of the universe, and any desire for change to a more equitable arrangement is simply communism.

[romana]

85. Original study

I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but the original study by deWaal caused quite a stir in the primate research community when it was originally published in Nature in 2003. The experimental design and data are deeply flawed, and the results are over-interpreted. There are alternative explanations for the behavior based more on food preferences that are never addressed in the original paper, for example.

I use the study in several classes, to illustrate a few experimental pitfalls.

[StrictlyRockers]

90. Thank you for the clarification on the validity of the study.

I still find the video to be very funny.

[romana]

91. Yes

It is a fun video, just wanted to make sure people know the fairness interpretation is controversial. . Thanks for posting it, though.

[kooljerk666]

87. AS guy in vid sez, dogs understand "Fair" treatment also.....

To the list of the qualities of dogs — enthusiastic and steadfast come to mind — can be added another. That pooch of yours, researchers say, may be envious.

Scientists in Austria report in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that a dog may stop obeying a command if it sees that another dog is getting a better deal.

In this way dogs may be showing a sensitivity that is similar to, although perhaps more primitive than, that shown by chimpanzees and some monkeys. Until now those primates were the only nonhumans to show what is called “inequity aversion” in the absence of a reward.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/science/09obenvy.html?_r=0

I bet the monkey on the left would get really, really mad over time.

I'd like to see how long it takes till the ripped off monkey tries to kill the ripper offer.

[mzteaze]

97. That's really funny