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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:36 AM

Rev. Franklin Graham claimed today that the “majority of Christians” did not vote.

Rev. Franklin Graham claimed today that the “majority of Christians” did not vote.

No, it's not 'Christians'' fault Obama won

The outspoken Rev. Franklin Graham claimed today that the “majority of Christians” did not vote.

“We know that from of the statistics that I’ve heard that the majority of Christians in this country just did not vote for whatever reason,” he told the Christian Broadcasting Network’s David Brody. “The vast majority of evangelicals did not go to the polls.” He added, “God is in control, and if Christians are upset, they need to be upset at themselves. We need to do a better job of getting our people- the church to vote. Now, I’m not trying to tell you how to vote, you can vote, but vote, my goodness, and vote for candidates that stand for Biblical values.”

But Graham’s assertion -- and implication that had white Christian evangelicals just showed up in bigger numbers, President Obama would have lost -- is off base.

In fact, white evangelicals/born-again Christians made up the same percentage of the electorate as they did in 2008 – 26%. They voted for Mitt Romney, a devout Mormon, by a wider margin than they did for Sen. John McCain four years ago.
And, they made up a larger share of the electorate in 2012 than in 2004, when the Christian Right supposedly fueled George W. Bush’s reelection. They also voted for Romney with the exact same margin as for Bush in 2004, 78%-21%.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/16/15219396-no-its-not-christians-fault-obama-won#comments

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Reply Rev. Franklin Graham claimed today that the “majority of Christians” did not vote. (Original post)
The Straight Story Nov 2012 OP
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #1
RichGirl Nov 2012 #20
kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #21
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #26
orwell Nov 2012 #2
GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #3
gordianot Nov 2012 #4
Democat Nov 2012 #5
no_hypocrisy Nov 2012 #6
yardwork Nov 2012 #12
no_hypocrisy Nov 2012 #14
yardwork Nov 2012 #16
no_hypocrisy Nov 2012 #18
yardwork Nov 2012 #22
Cha Nov 2012 #39
yardwork Nov 2012 #41
Cha Nov 2012 #42
newspeak Nov 2012 #23
Cha Nov 2012 #40
hobbit709 Nov 2012 #7
GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #8
Carolina Nov 2012 #9
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #10
tanyev Nov 2012 #11
jberryhill Nov 2012 #35
shenmue Nov 2012 #13
KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #15
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #17
Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #19
newspeak Nov 2012 #24
Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #25
Botany Nov 2012 #27
lalalu Nov 2012 #28
marlakay Nov 2012 #29
Jennicut Nov 2012 #30
Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #31
appleannie1 Nov 2012 #32
LiberalFighter Nov 2012 #33
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #34
Ruby the Liberal Nov 2012 #36
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #37
SpartanDem Nov 2012 #38
Raine Nov 2012 #43

Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:39 AM

1. Voting strictly for "Biblical values" wouldn't have helped Romney the Mormon.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:18 AM

20. That's exactly right.

I have evangelical Christians in my family. I don't know why I got all the good teaching of Jesus...while they went off the deep end, but that's the way it is.

One characteristic of these people is they have very rigid thinking. Once something gets in the brain it is set in concrete.

The main thing is:

Jesus died for our sins and if you don't believe that you are going to hell no matter how good of a person you are....period.

Among the lesser things that they are equally adamant about:

Mormanism is a cult...period.

So, all the Fox News Obama is evil, abortion is evil, Benghazi, etc...did not penetrate the concrete of the hardcore Christians.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:18 AM

21. So God is in control? Why didn't he make all Christians vote?

I hate people who form God in their own image.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:53 PM

26. Man created God, what else can you expect?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:43 AM

2. There you go...

...with that darn math again.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:45 AM

3. Some nutbag was spewing that crap in my local paper this morning.

Now I know where he/she got it. It figures.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:51 AM

4. If Graham voted just proves his point that Christians did not vote.

Having trouble fitting through the eye of that needle?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:02 AM

5. If evangelicals would have refused to support Romney they would have more power now

Instead they went all out to support a Mormon who lost.

That makes the Republican party think they are not as important as they were before the election.

They gambled and lost.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:14 AM

6. Translated: the "majority of Christians didn't vote" for Romney.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:28 AM

12. They did, though. Something like 80% of them voted for Romney according to exit polls.

Graham is just trying to get even more of them to vote for the next Republican.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:52 AM

14. Depends on how (narrowly) you define "Christian".

I'd say a majority of non-fundamentalist and mainstream Christians voted for Obama, not Romney.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:01 AM

16. A majority of Protestants voted for Romney, according to Pew. See below.

A majority of Catholics voted for Obama, 50% to 48%, but most Protestants voted for Romney.

http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/How-the-Faithful-Voted-2012-Preliminary-Exit-Poll-Analysis.aspx

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Response to yardwork (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:16 AM

18. Point taken

I just find it hard to understand how African-American churches, Baptists, etc. didn't at least meet vote-for-vote with white Protestant church voters.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:38 AM

22. It shows how lop-sided the white Protestant vote was for Romney.

African American Protestants voted for Obama by a huge percentage. White evangelicals voted for Romney by 79% - very disappointing.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:22 PM

39. Wow! That's got to upset the bishops and the pope.

And, I see it as.. Catholics on the whole are smarter than Protestants.

I don't have any affiliation whatsoever.

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Response to Cha (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:45 PM

41. The Hispanic Catholics tipped the vote. White Catholics supported Romney.

As a whole, the Hispanic Catholics supported Obama very strongly.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:57 PM

42. Oh right.. I didn't think about the Hispanic part

..thanks, yardwork. Yes, Smart!

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:21 PM

23. there are christians and then there are "christians"

like the wacked out, follow any jimmy jones types. my MIL and especially my SIL are christian and they voted for obama. i guess the "right" christians didn't come out and vote, hey graham?

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Response to newspeak (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:25 PM

40. Zactly newspeak.. my sis in New York is a Christian and she was

Ecstatic that Pres Obama won re-election!

Too many of the teabagger "christians" stayed home? Why didn't Billy and Franklin have enough Pull to get them out for romhead?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:17 AM

7. The majority of Christians or the majority of lip service Christians?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:23 AM

8. Graham Crackers.

Rat's Ass.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:23 AM

9. Graham is such

a POS. There was an evangelical minister on Rev Al's show last night who had visited the White House (with Rev Al and others) yesterday. He eloquently called Graham out on HIS partisan values that were anything but Christian. Guys like Graham are the reason for the saying: the problem with Christianity is Christians.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:25 AM

10. So that makes Romney's base older white men, and evangelicals. Which wasn't enuf.

I think he may also have had soccer moms, but they're not a "group." Women are, and Obama won the women vote. But Romney won the white vote.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:27 AM

11. Hey, Franklin, did you put Mormonism back on your list of cults yet?

Now that Romney's lost, there's really no more reason for you to pretend.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:16 PM

35. I'm waiting to see that come back

God's principles are flexible over there

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:50 AM

13. I did!

So there.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:00 AM

15. Wait...What???

...didn't they drag out the 90-year old man to tell the "real xtians" it was OK to vote for Bishop Willard over the "colored fella"? That musta been quite a soul searching moment...trying to absolve not just voting for, but being accepting of a blasphomous Mormon over the "assuredly" moooozlim black guy.

This is par for the course...rushpublicans can't accept blame and here's yet another one passing the buck. Again...no mention on the fact how everyone in the nation other than old white guys rejected everything Willard and the rushpublicans stand for. Keep up the disconnect...finally America appears to have woken up to the hucksters...

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:04 AM

17. I guess it was God's will (or God's SWILL) that they didn't vote. hahahahahaha

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:16 AM

19. Graham Cracker assumed Captaincy of a sinking ship.

Refuses to acknowledge the rats leaving it just as fast as they can.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:23 PM

24. i think some of these mega church leaders are more interested in their business

interests and that "faith based" federal money to supposedly help the poor who the leaders deem worthy; than think of what's best for their flock.

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Response to newspeak (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:50 PM

25. Cults of Personality that usually fail after the original grifter founder croaks off.

The founder's family all raised in wealth and luxury breaks into factions, fights over control of the money, then it all collapses as the sheep who were getting fleeced to fund the empire of greed wander off to find a new religious con man to follow.

If there was no money to be made running the religion scam, most of these people would go away.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:57 PM

27. who cares what that stupid f***ing douche nozzle says?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:58 PM

28. Then it was God's will.

 

He knows better than God now

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:00 PM

29. Then why were the overall vote totals up? Nt

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:01 PM

30. Ha! This Christian happily voted for President Obama.

The evangelical Christians voted for Mittens but the rest of us are not so lockstep. There are many moderate/liberal Christians who vote for Democrats. That caring about the poor thing is real to us.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:05 PM

31. Alledged Reverend Frank Birmingham

 

is nothing but a slick republican politician. He just uses the Bible for bucks. Fuller brush salesmen run in the family.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:05 PM

32. Rev. Graham, what you believe has nothing to do with what Christ taught therefore you are not

Christian. Go live on an island and take your cult with you.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:08 PM

33. If Franklin Graham speaks the truth then

there aren't that many Christians in America. And if there aren't that many Christians then they will not have an impact on elections. But that can't be true because it would mean that Romney would had lost by a much bigger margin.

There is a reason why he became a minister. It's easier to lie and not be held accountable by your followers.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:12 PM

34. "Christian" = "People who agree with me"

Same as it's ever been

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:30 PM

36. The Bible instructs that we are to pray for our leaders

and respect their authority. Any of this come tumbling out of his mouth while he was using his bible as a weapon to beat people over the head?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:42 PM

37. There are many Christians like myself who look at the GOP and find nothing Christian about it.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:08 PM

38. These religious right nuts would be labeled terrorist,

if they were Muslim.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:28 PM

43. I voted "biblical values" when I voted for Obama ... those old fashioned "biblical values" like

caring about people, not wanting people to go hungry, wanting them to be able to have a roof over their heads, etc etc etc.

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