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Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:44 PM

Ike got in front of troops in his uniform

on D-Day and pre-emptively wrote a letter of resignation to FDR in the event Operation Overlord failed. Petraeus dropped his trousers for a bimbo while commanding an operation Ike would have delegated to a light colonel.

Think about it.

Now who was the greater general?

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Reply Ike got in front of troops in his uniform (Original post)
hifiguy Nov 2012 OP
msongs Nov 2012 #1
ananda Nov 2012 #3
Bigmack Nov 2012 #9
hifiguy Nov 2012 #2
edhopper Nov 2012 #4
uponit7771 Nov 2012 #5
edhopper Nov 2012 #6
kiva Nov 2012 #7
Octafish Nov 2012 #8
hifiguy Nov 2012 #20
Bigmack Nov 2012 #10
hifiguy Nov 2012 #16
amborin Nov 2012 #11
Jersey Devil Nov 2012 #12
glacierbay Nov 2012 #13
hifiguy Nov 2012 #14
glacierbay Nov 2012 #15
bluedigger Nov 2012 #17
glacierbay Nov 2012 #18
bluedigger Nov 2012 #19

Response to hifiguy (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:13 PM

1. Ike was boinking his driver during the war (or some other underling) nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:29 AM

3. That is true.

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Response to ananda (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:49 AM

9. Actually... I read that Ike had ED and couldn't.... well... nt

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Response to hifiguy (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:28 AM

2. kick for the day crowd

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Response to hifiguy (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:30 AM

4. I have no idea why he is considered a great General

Oliver Stone took him down on the CBS Morning show.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:34 AM

5. Relative to todays flag officer ranks he's a step above, those ranks starting to look like 1%ers

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:40 AM

6. that's a low bar /nt

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Response to hifiguy (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:59 AM

7. Has anyone read The Generals: American Military Command from World War II to Today

by Thomas Ricks? I was listening to an interview with him a couple of weeks ago and it sounds like he wrote about some of the differences between military leadership in Ike's time and today....hmmm, think I'll get it dowloaded to read.

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Response to hifiguy (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:07 AM

8. Some people are just good at looking good.

Others are good at doing good.

Wish that more could tell the difference:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, From a speech before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16, 1953, 34th president of US 1953-1961 (1890 - 1969)

"Well, the oil, the oil spot, if you will, is a, is a term in counterinsurgency literature that connotes a peaceful area, secure area. So what you're trying to do is to always extend that, to push that out." -- David Petraeus, no idea where he uttered that one, but I do know what he was talking about: money.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:20 PM

20. + a googolplex for Ike.

Quoted by Roger Waters on his last tour.

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Response to hifiguy (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:53 AM

10. Petraeus couldn't shine the shoes of two REAL generals...

... 3 Medals of Honor and 10 Purple Hearts between them.

“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.
“I spent 33 years in the Marines. Most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism.”
Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC two time Medal of Honor recipient. 8 Purple Hearts


`I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar soaked fingers out of the business of these (Third World) nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own. And if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the `haves' refuse to share with the `have-nots' by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don’t want and above all don’t want crammed down their throats by Americans.' –
Gen. David Shoup, United States Marine Commandant...Medal of Honor recipient.... 2 Purple Hearts (I'm proud to say that Gen Shoup was my Commandant during the first part of my time in.)

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:17 PM

16. Wow. That is a soldier - err, a Marine -

in the highest and best traditions of the US military. And thank you for your service. A couple of my uncles were Marines in WW II

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Response to hifiguy (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 11:59 AM

12. I never understood the hero worship of Petreus

OK, he was a terrific academic, graduating in the top 5% at West Point and tops in his military classes and obtained a phD, but never faced live fire in combat, though he was, for a short time, commander of a unit in Bosnia. He won a bronze star but never fired a rifle or was wounded in combat, supposed because of a mortar shell that hit near him (but didn't wound him). He was more of a diplomat than a combat commander in many cases, rebuilding things, running elections, etc.

So why all the hero worship of this guy? What has he accomplished that puts him above other military officers?

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Response to hifiguy (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:05 PM

13. Here's a picture of him addressing the

 

Paratroopers of the 101st Airborne Division on D-Day. That is a real General.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:07 PM

14. ^THIS^

Note the ordinary uniform. Ike wasn't much for wearing his fruit salad. He was a workhorse, not a showhorse, like a real military man.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:12 PM

15. He wasn't about pomp and glitter

 

he was all about getting the job done and he was a soldiers general.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:20 PM

17. Probably D-1 day.

The 101st was spread to hell and gone in France by "O'dark hundred" on D Day.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:41 PM

18. This picture was taken on June 5, 1944 in England

 

This was just before they boarded the transport aircraft for the flight across the channel.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:45 PM

19. As I thought.

"Air Assault!"

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