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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:09 PM Jan 2012

Bodies of the Poor Piling Up at Chicago Morgue

Bodies of the Poor Piling Up at Chicago Morgue

Times are so tough in Illinois that the state and its largest city are having a difficult time burying its poor.

In Chicago, bodies are stacking up in the city morgue because the medical examiner's office hasn't paid for the burial boxes used for the dead who were indigent.

At the office of the Cook County Medical Examiner, the morgue's cooler, built to hold 300 bodies, currently has 500, including a hundred babies. All of the decomposing corpses are too much for the room's ventilation system.

“There are so many bodies in there now, they can’t keep it cool enough. The stench is like nothing I’ve ever seen,” a source told the Chicago Sun-Times. "I think it’s sacrilegious."

http://www.allgov.com/Where_is_the_Money_Going/ViewNews/Bodies_of_the_Poor_Piling_Up_at_Chicago_Morgue_120118

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Bodies of the Poor Piling Up at Chicago Morgue (Original Post) The Straight Story Jan 2012 OP
Horrible. I mean that very sincerely, though I must add Mira Jan 2012 #1
This is a big issue at the hospice I work at in Chicago mucifer Jan 2012 #2
Funeral Costs Have Skyrocketed... KharmaTrain Jan 2012 #9
really sad. Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #22
More tax cuts, more cuts to social services, xchrom Jan 2012 #3
This is what the Capitalists, Neocons, Libertarians, Teabaggers...want. This Cal33 Jan 2012 #34
Don't worry, the poor aren't getting singled out Zalatix Jan 2012 #4
Then they can stand in line and vote every two years!! Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2012 #5
The machine is being managed very poorly... Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #6
Damn Solly Mack Jan 2012 #7
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jan 2012 #8
Is cremation any cheaper? justiceischeap Jan 2012 #10
It's a lot cheaper. But, many people don't want it. mucifer Jan 2012 #11
I'd think if you are in a situation where you're asking for aid justiceischeap Jan 2012 #16
Yep, it's cheaper. I'm all for it -- my ashes are gonna fly around the Flint Hills. Ship of Fools Jan 2012 #12
That is where mine are going too. MuseRider Jan 2012 #29
Drown that baby in the bath tub, YEAH!!!!! Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2012 #13
Capital idea, my good sir, just capital MinervaX Jan 2012 #18
Tip: for those who can afford it lapislzi Jan 2012 #14
my mother insisted on cremation and prepaid for one. CTyankee Jan 2012 #17
I used to think I wanted cremation. Lately I'm back to burial. TwilightGardener Jan 2012 #21
There are "green" cemeteries in several states lapislzi Jan 2012 #23
That is interesting, thanks. TwilightGardener Jan 2012 #24
Really? I think of somebody hauling my body away to put in the ground when I could be reduced to ash CTyankee Jan 2012 #35
Unless something has changed, it is illegal to scatter ashes in Missouri The Genealogist Jan 2012 #36
error- this is not the chicago morgue. it is the cook county morgue. mopinko Jan 2012 #15
The Cook County Morgue is in Chicago. former9thward Jan 2012 #26
nonetheless this is the responsibility of cook county government. mopinko Jan 2012 #30
I agree with you there. former9thward Jan 2012 #31
I know this is macbre MinervaX Jan 2012 #19
Donation to a university cadaver program is free I believe riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #33
Cremation: It's not heartless, it's a solution, and it's cheap. For anyone who hasn't LeftinOH Jan 2012 #20
"Pile Up" ...a new B horror movie. L0oniX Jan 2012 #25
unfortunately, this movie won't be fictional. goforit Jan 2012 #28
This is not a new problem. former9thward Jan 2012 #27
the truck were for the big killed heat wave that we had. mopinko Jan 2012 #32

Mira

(22,380 posts)
1. Horrible. I mean that very sincerely, though I must add
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:11 PM
Jan 2012

it sounds like what I envisioned Baghdad morgues to be like for many many years.

mucifer

(23,536 posts)
2. This is a big issue at the hospice I work at in Chicago
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:11 PM
Jan 2012

Our social workers are scrambling trying to figure out how to help families. Public aid no longer
puts money towards funeral costs and it hard to get grants for this. We have a lot of low income families with a member in our Chicago non profit hospice.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
9. Funeral Costs Have Skyrocketed...
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:26 AM
Jan 2012

Last year we had a simple ceremony and burial for my MIL and it cost well north of $10k...almost 3 times as much as it cost when I had to bury my parents a decade earlier. I can imagine a combination of these rising costs and the collapse of the economy has made it harder for low income people to give their loved ones a decent burial and have left it for the state to do it...and with disastrous results since they've run out of money as well.

The problems of the elderly...especially those who can no longer care for themselves is a ticking time bomb in our society as costs continue to rise rapidly and more people get older and are in need of services. Yet another reason for universal health care...

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
34. This is what the Capitalists, Neocons, Libertarians, Teabaggers...want. This
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:55 PM
Jan 2012

is what they (and all of us) are having.

Capitalocracy

(4,307 posts)
6. The machine is being managed very poorly...
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:56 AM
Jan 2012

"We're human beings!...There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop." - Mario Savio

But the machine is being so poorly managed these days that whether or not we actively oppose it, just the bodies of the poor and the marginalized are piling up and gumming up the works.

I don't know, it's late, I'm talking nonsense. But this sort of thing gets to me on a visceral level.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
10. Is cremation any cheaper?
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:29 AM
Jan 2012

I know people have ideas about cremation (I don't want to be cremated) but I wonder if this is a cheaper option for cities to offer...

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
16. I'd think if you are in a situation where you're asking for aid
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:29 AM
Jan 2012

to bury your loved one, it's better to cremate than allow the body to decompose in the morgue or better yet, donate the body to science...

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
29. That is where mine are going too.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 01:52 PM
Jan 2012

No way am I allowing my family to take up precious space to house my decomposing corpse. Not only that but it simply creeps me out to think of putting a body in a box and sticking it in the ground.

What better thing to do than to maybe add a little to one of this countries most beautiful places?

 

MinervaX

(169 posts)
18. Capital idea, my good sir, just capital
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:38 AM
Jan 2012

We need to get laws on the books that make it illegal to be poor. I say, sport, we already got them!

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
14. Tip: for those who can afford it
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:21 AM
Jan 2012

I know this unfortunately does not include the poor and indigent.

But, you can pre-pay a funeral trust which insures you against cost increases. My cheap-ass cremation is prepaid, so at least my decedents won't have to worry about how they're going to bear that little expense.

I encouraged Dad and Grandma to do it, and it was a weight off my mind when the sad days came. I just called the funeral director and everything was done.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
17. my mother insisted on cremation and prepaid for one.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:30 AM
Jan 2012

I don't see the point of burial (unless it is a religious one). Cremation is efficient and a whole lot cheaper. My view is that when life goes out of your body, that body is no longer "you." It is the shell that you were once in. Scattering the ashes is a nice thing, IMO (I just hope it is environmentally sound).

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
21. I used to think I wanted cremation. Lately I'm back to burial.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:54 AM
Jan 2012

There is something comforting to me about leaving my actual bones in the earth, like every other critter in nature. Being turned into a mere little bucket of ashes is, to me, like erasing all trace of your own existence on this earth, which makes me weirdly sad.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
23. There are "green" cemeteries in several states
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:09 PM
Jan 2012

Where you're not treated with chemicals and are allowed to go back to the earth naturally.

http://www.greenburials.org/

I just don't want anyone wasting real estate on my remains. It's too valuable for the living.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
35. Really? I think of somebody hauling my body away to put in the ground when I could be reduced to ash
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:38 PM
Jan 2012

as kind of ridiculous. Why put me into an expensive box to putrify? Why not just reduce my body to ashes?

I guess this gets back to what I said about your body just being a shell of who you are. The night my mother died in the hospital, the nurse asked if I wanted to be there when they took her to the morgue of the cemetary. I said no, because I believed she was no longer "there." I sat with her after she died, in the hospital room. and she was "not her." She was gone, as far as I was concerned. She had gone somewhere else, she was not there. Since I didn't know where she was, I thought that her body was just extraneous at that point. I felt she was right in having it cremated. I still do.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
36. Unless something has changed, it is illegal to scatter ashes in Missouri
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:10 PM
Jan 2012

Don't know where you are, but when Grandpa died, he wanted his ashes spread on Grandmas grave. We told the funeral director, and he replied that it is illegal in this state to spread ashes, as it is considered a bio-hazard. What we ended up doing is to bury the urn into the ground in a plot next to Grandma's. I suppose that you could just illegally spread the ashes, as there aren't "ash police" about, but we decided not to break the law in this case.

former9thward

(31,986 posts)
26. The Cook County Morgue is in Chicago.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 01:31 PM
Jan 2012

Almost all of the bodies belong to Chicago residents. A job I had in Chicago brought me to the Morgue many times. I have been in the referenced cooler several times.

mopinko

(70,088 posts)
30. nonetheless this is the responsibility of cook county government.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:16 PM
Jan 2012

have no problem seeing my city binged for things it did. this is not one. this is on cook county, which is a giant, giant mess.

former9thward

(31,986 posts)
31. I agree with you there.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:19 PM
Jan 2012

The question is money mainly, not managerial competence. It costs money to bury people and it has to come from somewhere. I would favor cremation for anyone who does not have a family/friend to step forward and claim the body. That would bring costs down.

 

MinervaX

(169 posts)
19. I know this is macbre
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jan 2012

but is there any cheap, legal way to dispose of the dead body of a loved one? Driving around out in the country they used to just put pappy in the front yard. Would it be legal to have a funeral pyre in your front yard?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
33. Donation to a university cadaver program is free I believe
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:55 PM
Jan 2012

I believe cremation will run anywhere from $1000 - $2000. You can buy a casket very cheaply elsewhere and save a ton of money rather than going through the funeral home. The funeral home has to accept your choice, including a cardboard casket. Have the memorial service at home or a park or some other place rather than at the funeral home.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
20. Cremation: It's not heartless, it's a solution, and it's cheap. For anyone who hasn't
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jan 2012

specified how they want their bodies to be disposed, the decision should be made for them -on behalf of everyone else.

former9thward

(31,986 posts)
27. This is not a new problem.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 01:41 PM
Jan 2012

When I lived in Chicago I worked for a state agency that did workplace safety inspections. I was at the Cook County Morgue many times and was in the cooler described several times. There were always hundreds of bodies in the cooler. One time in the mid-90s the cooler was filled to capacity and they had refrigerated meat trucks full of bodies out in the parking lot. It really stunk there even outside.

The bodies would be in there for so long that workers had to wear helmets when they went into the cooler because arms and legs would fall off the bodies when the racks were touched by the fork lifts.

One time I was going to do an air sample test for chemicals in the air of the autopsy room and when I was setting up the equipment all of the autopsy technicians fled the room because they thought I was going to test for drugs.

mopinko

(70,088 posts)
32. the truck were for the big killed heat wave that we had.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:24 PM
Jan 2012

several hundred people died.

cook county government in general is an f'ing mess. but they have some good folks on the board now, and president toni preckwinkle is as good a progressive as there is anywhere. she has her hands full, but she is up to the task.

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