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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:13 PM

Cyber Sleuths Checkmated Rove?

Lots of links, maybe a developing story?

http://occupyforaccountability.org/index.php?q=node%2F1075

...On November 12th, we received a letter from “The Protectors,” apparently a group of white hat cyber sleuths, mentioning our reward and stating that two months ago, they began monitoring the “digital traffic of one Karl Rove, a disrespecter of the Rule of Law, knowing that he claimed to be Kingmaker while grifting vast wealth from barons who gladly handed him gold to anoint another King while looking the other way.” http://www.velvetrevolution.us/images/Anon_Rove_Letter.pdf

“The Protectors” said that they had identified the digital structure of Rove’s operation and of ORCA, a Republican get out the vote software application. After finding open “doors” in the systems, they created a “password protected firewall” called “The Great Oz,” and installed it on servers that Rove planned to use on election night to re-route and change election results “from three states.”

The letter indicated that “ORCA Killer” was launched at 10am EST and “The Great Oz” at 8pm EST on November 6th. “The Protectors” watched as ORCA crashed and failed throughout Election Day. They watched as Rove’s computer techs tried 105 times to penetrate “The Great Oz” using different means and passwords....

...On election night, Mr. Rove worked the three states that held the key to the election – Ohio, Florida and Virginia. But when he tried to access the Ohio election website, he kept getting error messages.


It all reads a little bit like The Onion, but then again. What was up with The Onion? Their "Defeated Man Victorious" most recent banner headline makes a lot more sense, filtered through a back story like this one. (Not to mention last week's, 'Millions of Voters Lose Power,' or whatever it was, that was released in advance of the actual election results.)



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Reply Cyber Sleuths Checkmated Rove? (Original post)
mojowork_n Nov 2012 OP
Dash87 Nov 2012 #1
Coyotl Nov 2012 #10
mojowork_n Nov 2012 #15
Coyotl Nov 2012 #20
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #32
Dash87 Nov 2012 #34
LineLineReply +
struggle4progress Nov 2012 #31
jeff47 Nov 2012 #48
flamingdem Nov 2012 #2
mojowork_n Nov 2012 #6
Coyotl Nov 2012 #16
TheUnspeakable Nov 2012 #3
teddy51 Nov 2012 #4
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #5
mojowork_n Nov 2012 #9
lonestarnot Nov 2012 #11
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #13
dhol82 Nov 2012 #21
Zorra Nov 2012 #7
lonestarnot Nov 2012 #12
rocktivity Nov 2012 #8
Coyotl Nov 2012 #14
rocktivity Nov 2012 #43
dhol82 Nov 2012 #17
Coyotl Nov 2012 #18
lonestarnot Nov 2012 #19
dchill Nov 2012 #23
dchill Nov 2012 #22
villager Nov 2012 #26
cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #24
dchill Nov 2012 #27
crazylikafox Nov 2012 #36
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #39
dchill Nov 2012 #46
Matariki Nov 2012 #28
BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #37
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #25
liberalla Nov 2012 #29
dem4ward Nov 2012 #30
MinM Nov 2012 #33
MinM Nov 2012 #44
Sunlei Nov 2012 #35
mfcorey1 Nov 2012 #38
randome Nov 2012 #40
mojowork_n Nov 2012 #41
Dalai_1 Nov 2012 #42
Blasphemer Nov 2012 #45
backscatter712 Nov 2012 #47
mojowork_n Nov 2012 #49

Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:16 PM

1. That sounds like total bull crap.

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:41 PM

10. But, it started with "Maybe" ROFLMAO

When they don't use "maybe" it sounds like crap, when the do use "maybe" it IS a load esp. when followed by a question mark

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:48 PM

15. OK, my bad. I interjected the "maybe."

Did a CTRL + F and the word is not used in the story that I linked.

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Response to mojowork_n (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:56 PM

20. Still BS

Let's see, admitting to invading a political parties private network, nothing criminal there, right? Actually, what is there is justification for thew other side to do so! That's what is wrong with this kind of thoughtless BS.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:47 AM

32. Maybe they used the word "maybe" because this would be viewed as a crime?

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:53 AM

34. At least they were creative, and didn't

Start with "my friend's cousin heard that..."

This is hilariously fake, though. I think someone was looking for money.

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:33 AM

31. +

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:38 PM

48. That's an insult to bull crap. (nt)

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:22 PM

2. Orca was used to gotv n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:30 PM

6. According to the R's own website, breitbart, it also was a predictive tool

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/08/Orca-How-the-Romney-Campaign-Suppressed-Its-Own-Vote

...they told us all day that most volunteers were submitting just fine, yet admitted at the end that all of Colorado had the wrong PIN's. They also said the system projected every swing state as pink or red.


The link is from the story posted.

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Response to mojowork_n (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:50 PM

16. It was supposed to define where to focus GOTV on election day using exit polling

So people had to report in too for the system to achieve success.

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:22 PM

3. Bookmarking for tomorrow

This could explain a lot!

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:23 PM

4. Now thats what I thought might have happend as well.

 

I thought it might have been Anonymous though.

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:27 PM

5. Well, after checking on my grain or salt

this is technically possible, the technology for this does happen. So I would not completely discount it. The shadows are an interesting place.

That said, developing story? You got to be kidding me. Even if it was the largest biggest story of the century there are things that would not go on the papers...

Unless that is, if the FBI decides to charge if they have enough info that actually can stand in a court of law.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:40 PM

9. Funny you should mention, "court of law," because that's....

...where Willard M. appears to be headed:

http://www.politicususa.com/post-election-romney-bain-face-federal-corruption-perjury-hearing.html

"...To date, Romney’s legal troubles include fallacious FEC and SEC disclosures, an investigation into him and his son’s connection to an $8.5 billion Ponzi scheme, and concealing over $15 million from the auto-bailout, and now his surrogate’s malfeasance and perjury in the eToys bankruptcy case....

...on November 7, the day after his crushing defeat, the Delaware bankruptcy court judge entered the motion into the public docket and scheduled a hearing for December 4, 2012; all on the same day.

It was a victory for the whistleblower and eToys investors, and incriminating for the Delaware court and Willard Romney because although the judge received the Emergency Motion on October 24th, it was withheld from the public docket until after it was clear Romney lost the election and would not be appointing an attorney general to drop the case."


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Response to mojowork_n (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:43 PM

11. Yeah!

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Response to mojowork_n (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:45 PM

13. Ah, nice

thanks

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Response to mojowork_n (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:57 PM

21. ah, the emotions


the schadenfreude overcomes me. )))))))

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:37 PM

7. There is an old saying among Occupy and Anonymous folk...

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Response to Zorra (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:44 PM

12. :)

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:39 PM

8. Is this how things were supposed to end up?

Last edited Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:53 PM - Edit history (1)

270toWin.com has an interactive electoral map you can play with.

For instance, flip OH, FL, VA, and CO -- and Romney wins!


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:47 PM

14. In their dreams, yes. But, they were just dreaming, not getting out votes.

The team that turned out the voters won!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:05 PM

43. I certainly agree that OH Dem voter turnout helped at least as much as any counter-hacking did

but that was no acting performance that Karl Rove put on that night. Either something happened that wasn't supposed to -- or didn't happen that was supposed to.


rocktivity

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:50 PM

17. after seeing rove


doing his 'this can't be right' moment, this is the only plausible explanation.

Believe that we all thought the Ohio election was going to be rigged. Watching Rove's eyes darting around he had to believe that the fix was in and was doing a wtf moment. This is the best explanation I have heard so far.

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:52 PM

18. The problem with this kind of BS is that

it provides fodder to the wrong cannon

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:55 PM

19. Yep.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:21 AM

23. Stop talking about me...

like I'm not here!


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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:19 AM

22. The look on Rove's face on election night, and all those double-takes at...

the monitors behind him makes me think this scenario is not only possible, but likely.

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Response to dchill (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:52 AM

26. +1

n/t

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:25 AM

24. If this was true then these folks should get the maximum penalty

It is bullshit, of course, but if it was true then these people would need to be tracked down and put away.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 03:07 AM

27. Why is that, exactly? Throughout history,

vigilantes have sprung up when the responsible authorities have failed in their responsibilities. Hell, the American Revolution was nothing if not an illegal act. There is such a thing as a necessary evil. If Rove actually was trying to do what I think he was, then I would HOPE for someone to do exactly what this post describes.

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Response to dchill (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:28 AM

36. +1

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Response to dchill (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:48 AM

39. I think you misunderstood.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:39 PM

46. I'm dense. Explain what it is that I misunderstood.

I think the post meant that the hackers should be hunted down and punished.

Am I wrong?

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 03:36 AM

28. Which "these people" do you mean?

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:40 AM

37. What the heck?

"These people" may have saved our democracy. Why should Rove get away scott free while the hackers, who fought his malicious scheme to disenfranchise the American people and install an illegitimate President, get the book thrown at them? Once again, the little guy with the blue collar goes away for a long time for interfering in the affairs of his better? What kind of justice is that?

(If by "those people" you meant Rove's scum-bags, them I apologize, but please be more clear next time).

And also, this scenario sounds likely. It also strikes me that the Protectors might be some kind of spin-off from Anonymous to... well... protect the majority of Anonymous' participants if the courts do decide to go after them.

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:46 AM

25. K&R. Worth reading.

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 03:52 AM

29. Reminds me of the post last week, Tin Foil theory about the Rove meltdown....someone Unhacked Ohio.

Tin Foil theory about the Rove meltdown....someone Unhacked Ohio.

I thought Anonymous may have stepped in. They issued a warning video prior to the election.

Whoever interfered with Rove's criminal, treasonous plans deserves a huge thank you.

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 04:30 AM

30. I pray it's true and Rove goes to the slammer!

 

Life w/o parole!

If it's true, many THANKS to The Protectors! You guys Rock!!!

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:15 AM

33. Opening sequence of 'The Simpsons'

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Response to MinM (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:15 PM

44. Karl Rove - CREEP For Nixon (Dan Rather 1972 Report)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x20781

This is obviously not Rove's first rodeo. Going way back to the "Dirty Tricks" and the "Plumbers" during the 1972 campaign for the re-election of President Nixon. It's hard to imagine anything he would not do...
Karl Rove Comes of Age: An excerpt from the new book ROVE EXPOSED: How Bush's Brain Fooled America

A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by James Moore & Wayne Slater

The excerpt, below, covers a defining moment in the making of a political opportunist. In it, Rove teams up with Lee Atwater to steal the election for chairman of the College Republican National Committee. When the Washington Post writes about the dirty tricks campaign, the Republican National Committee has to step in and pick a winner...

In 1973, when Karl Rove was recruited to run for chair of the College Republican National Committee, a group of supporters paired him with Lee Atwater, who at the time was president of the College Republicans in South Carolina. Rove was to be the candidate and Atwater his Southern campaign chair. In March, Rove took the train from Washington, D.C., to Columbia, South Carolina (a $25 overnight ticket) where he was met by Atwater and another young hardball Republican, John Carbaugh, later to become advisor to Jesse Helms. With a Gulf credit card, Rove and Atwater rented a mustard-brown Ford Pinto and proceeded to spend the next week campaigning together across the South, visiting state college Republican chairpersons and asking for support.

The deal went like this: Rove was to be chair and Atwater would take Rove's old job, executive director of the College Republican National Committee. Both of them would be in Washington with an office and a phone and the run of the Republican National Committee (RNC). It was impossible not to like Lee Atwater. He was fun loving and amiable and he was forever scheming about one thing or the other. The two of them had barely taken their jobs in Washington, Rove said, before Atwater was hustling Republican National Committee Chairman George H.W. Bush for use of his boat...

...By the time they rolled into Missouri's Lake of the Ozarks in June for the convention, Atwater and Rove had a battle plan. And in the end, according to his opponent, Rove had to steal the election to win.

DIRTY TRICKS

The hotel in Lake of the Ozarks was swarming with young Republicans. There were sessions on practical politics in the little meeting rooms and politicking in the hallways, particularly for the election of the new national chair. Atwater and Rove cruised the rooms and the bar, looking to lock up votes. There were three candidates for chair: Rove; Robert Edgeworth, a Goldwater devotee who had headed up Students for Nixon at the University of Michigan; and Terry Dolan, the future founder of the National Conservative Political Action Committee. Dolan, whose acerbic personality made it difficult to round up support, realized that he didn't have the votes to win and threw in with Edgeworth.

It was a two-man race for a majority of the votes. But which votes? Rove and Atwater's plan, supported by a faction within the College Republicans sometimes called the Chicago Boys, took as a point of pride its influence on the gears and levers of the organization. Atwater and the Chicago Boys decided the best way to win an election was to make sure the votes that counted were their votes. There was suddenly a flurry of challenges at the credentials committee, which went into the night.

"The credentials committee savagely went through and threw out, often on the flimsiest of reasons, most of my supporters," said Edgeworth, who steered his own campaign with a bullhorn and a stack of proxies, which challenged Rove and Atwater. (Source: James Moore interview with Robert Edgeworth, July 2002.)

Tempers flared and there were near-fistfights. Edgeworth supporters shouted at Rove's people, who shouted back. The committee was stymied. The next day, with everybody gathered in a large hall, Rove's name was entered into nomination, and as the roll was called, region-by-region, one voice shouted "Aye" and another voice yelled "No." Then, against a chorus of boos and cheers, Edgeworth was also nominated, just as Rove had been, and the same thing happened. Each side declared victory.

"I gave a nice acceptance speech, thanking everybody for electing me. Then I sat down," said Edgeworth. "Karl got up, gave a nice acceptance speech for everybody who had elected him. Then we both went to Washington D.C." ...

The issue of who was the rightful chair was to be decided by RNC Chairman George Bush. Both sides made their cases, but Rove seemed to have an advantage, having already met Bush while working as executive director of the College Republicans. Before Bush had announced his decision, Dolan went to the media with some particularly damning material about Rove -- tapes and transcripts of "dirty tricks" seminars...

...Bush hired Rove as his special assistant at the RNC.

How perfect was this? Assistant to the chairman of the Republican National Committee. Back at Olympus High, Rove had talked with his friend Randy Ludlow, about how he was going to Washington, and now he was there -- in the big time. Every morning when Chairman Bush arrived at the basement parking garage and stepped into the elevator, rising to the fourth floor, Rove was there eagerly ready for the day. As a member of the personal staff, Rove had all the authority of an assistant to the RNC chair -- which is to say, not much authority at all. Mostly he was a gopher. But the place was the center of the Republican universe, a place to make associations and stay current on the party's latest line.

His most important association, although he didn't know it then, was the boss' son, George W. Bush.

Defining moments of lives are often nothing more than chance encounters. But Karl Rove was leaving nothing to providence, in this case. When it came to George W. Bush, Rove ended up taking chance out of the equation. And in the process he changed -- not just their lives -- but also American history.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/12/con05485.html

Karl Rove, As They Say, Has a History

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:22 AM

35. If true they would publish some proof. However, the ground get out the vote management

of the republicans failed in a big way. There were actual reports of people on ground level not getting their work PDF untill late the night before the election. Volunteers were expected to print their own 100s of pages.

The republican management were very well paid to guide their ground volunteers and they failed bigtime.

guess republicans should not have grabbed and passed out all that campaign multi-millions in advance, lol.

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:47 AM

38. That would explain Husted's need to, at the last minute, install a patch to his server.

They were testing their system and it was failing.

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:50 AM

40. Rove and the GOP are incompetent. End of story. No need for convoluted theories.

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:58 AM

41. After thought.....

Replying to my own post, but what the hell, what could be more appropriate for this kind of thread?

A second look is in order.

....In the cold light of day, after the initial interest and the truly odd coincidence with the last two editions of The Onion...

I have to say that I really don't know anything about VR -- velvet revolution -- the group that I posted the link through.

Are they Anonymous wanna-be's (the "B" team?), Anonymous-imitators (for whatever reason), ...or who, exactly? And there's even less to know about the 'Cyber Sleuths.' Those taking apparent credit for whatever it was. A couple of things about the video quality & opening screen & the narrator, too, in the Cyber Sleuth video seem a little sketchy. Even the letter that was posted. The pdf used the butt-ugliest Times New Roman font, with poor layout design and fairy tale language.

Not really taking pride in what they were doing, even if doing it anonymously. ...Production values were all off.

Which can happen if you're doing things in a hurry, or you're better at cyber stuff than video or graphic design.
Or it could be as others here have insisted, that this is all about frontin' and posin' and not real at all.

Knowing something more about VR -- how long have they been around, what else have they done -- would be good.

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:02 AM

42. +1

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:22 PM

45. Even if they were working on this, they would have still needed a 4th state

All that law breaking just to lose?

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Response to mojowork_n (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:46 PM

47. Don't know if this is true, but if it is, I'm highly entertained. n/t

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:03 PM

49. Yup. Teachable moment there.

When "The Onion" (excuse me, "America's Finest News Source") and professional Funny People, like Jon and Stephen and countless others -- are 80 percent more likely to be less full of crap than a lot of professional News People -- what does that say about the state of news and journalism?

The Funny people are alternately snarky and serious and they score zinger after zinger.

But they're just comedians.

How many viewers call their congressional representatives the day after a particularly scathing Colbert re-Pore and demand to know that representative's position on something? Are they more or less likely to go out to stand at a vigil or protest, or engage in any other ...s e r i o u s... activity?

....When I was much, much younger I remember taking a little side trip one spring to Franco's Spain, between terms. Goons in shiny hats with machine guns all over the place. But they were sort of like Latin Buckingham Palace Guards. You could tell jokes about them behind their backs. (Just not in public, where the wrong sort of person could hear you.) Not too much later, on the other end of the continent and the other side of the ideological divide, people passed along zingers -- the same way they passed around and shared smokes -- to reassure themselves of their own humanity. That they weren't too cold inside.

Is that where we're heading?

I wish I could remember where I read it, who said it, in what publication and what year, but in the early to mid-90's there was some news empire mogul who went on record saying something along the lines of .... 'we're creating a new fusion or synthesis. The news division and the entertainment division. A seamless confluence of streams, generating revenue...' Like water (news) and some other catalytic liquid (entertainment) driving the turbines at Hoover Dam. A dynamic paradigm shift to electrify the whole continent. And generate Megawatts of Profits.

It was before the Telecommunications Act of 1996, I think.

So what's real any more? Is there any serious difference between what happens when massive profits get funneled to a few corporate overlords, and what happens when (an admittedly thin, permeable to zingers) curtain of silence insulates a real dictatorship?

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