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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:36 PM

Consistent with my much-attacked theory, McCain and Graham are doing what they're doing because

the Rethugs have no choice but to go on one of their patented "Projection Offenses" wherein they accuse the other side of exactly what they've done. AFAIC, the Rethugs came up with this nefarious Ludlum-esque plot and it exploded in their faces. The President was aware of their miscreant behavior on the night of the first debate but was unable to strategically deal with it, so he went into stand-by mode. By the second debate, he had learned some things and was able to turn the tables on Romney and the gang, and when the election day vote-flippers realized that they were under intense scrutiny, they panicked and ran home to their glasses of milk and their toll-house cookies, leaving the hopes of the fascisti in the mud. Thus did Romney plan for the win and act and dress accordingly (his wife's demeanor and dress/hairdo, his lack of a decent suit and shirt - one can't exactly give a concession speech in a tuxedo); thus did Rove not comprehend what was occurring because it was supposed to happen just like it did in 2004 but it precipitously and inexplicably didn't, thus did all the President's Men (and women) nod knowingly after the win. the Rethugs had no idea what hit them: everything they had carefully planned had failed miserably.

After the fact, the rats are in the process of deserting the ship: undermining the government is treason and a crime which carries a stiff jail sentence. People are bailing because they've been caught in a trap of their own making. There are emails everywhere and for all the clever attempts to hide drafts, etc., everything's backed up on a server somewhere, and they all know it. This is a potentially far-reaching scandal and could destroy the Right Wing. That is exactly why the Old Guard of the Party is being called upon to save it before all Hell breaks loose.

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Reply Consistent with my much-attacked theory, McCain and Graham are doing what they're doing because (Original post)
PCIntern Nov 2012 OP
broiles Nov 2012 #1
northoftheborder Nov 2012 #3
GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #23
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #39
sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #2
HangOnKids Nov 2012 #4
PCIntern Nov 2012 #5
DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #13
surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #22
DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #28
Enrique Nov 2012 #6
PCIntern Nov 2012 #8
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #9
Enrique Nov 2012 #10
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #16
Enrique Nov 2012 #25
Mc Mike Nov 2012 #37
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #7
DemocracyInaction Nov 2012 #11
KamaAina Nov 2012 #14
sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #12
applegrove Nov 2012 #15
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #17
applegrove Nov 2012 #20
Ruby the Liberal Nov 2012 #18
Caretha Nov 2012 #19
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #21
AndreaCG Nov 2012 #32
arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #34
Mc Mike Nov 2012 #36
arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #38
Mc Mike Nov 2012 #40
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #24
arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #30
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #33
arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #26
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #27
JVS Nov 2012 #29
PCIntern Nov 2012 #35
AntiFascist Nov 2012 #31

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:41 PM

1. What's the deal with these two. Since the election in 08, I never

see McCain with Cindy, but he is always with Graham. They seem to always travel together.

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Response to broiles (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:55 PM

3. Those two and Liebermann have been a constant trio for years.

Haven't seen hide nor hair of Liebermann in a long time - guess he's planning his retirement.

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Response to broiles (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:03 PM

23. This thread is hilarious.

DUers can derp with the best.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:39 AM

39. Please explain where you see the "derp". nt.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:46 PM

2. Exactly!

Great break down of events

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:56 PM

4. Was Mitt Planning On Wearing A Tuxedo If Elected?

 

Fuck. The. What.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:05 PM

5. Yes...

they said that all he had was a tux for the reception for him and his wife. they put that one to rest quickly after the fact.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:52 PM

13. Gatsby, y'know

Hell, he should of dressed like a ringmaster at the circus.

She could have gone as Marie Antoinette.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:01 PM

22. He never was the ringmaster in that circus ...

... or even a clown - more like the dancing bear. Yes, his picture was on all the posters, but he did not get to call the shots.

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:40 PM

28. Well, I was kinda being facetious

I saw him as the Ringmaster in 'Like Water for Elephants' - the consummate fake.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:08 PM

6. so McCain and Graham are in on it?

and Obama knew about it?

I still am not clear on whether Petraeus was in on it.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:13 PM

8. McCain and Graham are in it now...

we shall see hoo gnu.

I went thru this in Watergate and Iran Contra. too many high ranking folk in trouble for it to be 'nothing'.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:13 PM

9. By my count nine Flagg officers

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:26 PM

10. I think there is 'something' as well

the RWers have their theories, which I think are as plausible as yours. I have my own theory, which I think is more plausible than either yours or the Freepers: it has nothing to do with partisan politics, and has more to do with the bipartisan national security apparatus. Further, I think many on both sides know about it and the whole thing is a farce. Further, I think some journalists probably know key information and are withholding it either voluntarily or because of the chilling effect from Obama's war on leakers. The only information we are getting is information that fits into the fake "dems vs. republicans" narrative. Some leaks favor us, some leaks favor them. Something to feed everyone's theories. Maybe something real will turn up on Wikileaks 5 years from now.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:22 PM

16. Your theory is....? (I think "Right-Wingers Planning a Coup" is eminently plausible.)

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:12 PM

25. I am at the same disadvantage as anyone else

due to secrecy around our government, I don't know any better than anyone else what is happening in the world, what is being done in our name, etc. Everyone that knows anything about any of this knows it from someone who chose to leak it, for their own reasons. The Freepers are latching onto the "anti-Obama" leaks and the DU theorists are latching onto the "pro-Obama" leaks.

One thing the theorists on both sides say is that there is something fishy and I totally agree.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:36 AM

37. You may be right, but at the very least

the terror attacks were designed for an electoral coup, and they're being used to keep the president on the defensive via corporate media-covered bad publicity and partisan witch-hunt repug 'investigative oversight' efforts.

Remember the old days of terror attacks, when the terrorist org launched the attack because they couldn't take on the power they were against in a stand up fight. So they attacked where they could, then used the media coverage to get attention and support for their cause. A group would step forward and issue a "'credible' claim of responsibility". These days an attack occurs and the perps are far too 'humble' and diffident. Don't want to brag, now. But what's the point of getting media attention via a spectacular attack, then denying responsibility?

The people who attacked us in Egypt and Libya were paramilitary pros, well-trained and well-armed, not fundy fanatic amateurs. If we follow the trail from the characters who made -- and disseminated in Arab language -- the movie trailer (there's no movie) to the source that spread it on the ground in Libya and Egypt and called for demonstrations, we'll get closer to seeing who used those demonstrations as smoke screens for synchronized attacks. Rove repug foreign policy traitors hired some mercs through some Arab language version of Soldier of Fortune. A middle east version of Ronin, by right-wing rove repugs. Just a bald assertion on my part.

I can't discount your 'coup attempt', the repugs are always talking about assassination and secession, and constantly threaten civil war. But you don't have to convince me about a coup attempt, when we could get to the bottom of who attacked our 2 embassies and come up with repug traitors. And the squeeze out of military and intel people on this Petraeus scandal matches the elimination of Dulles, Bissell, Lemnitzer, Cabell and the gang after the Bay of Pigs. They were demoted or forced out for mis-serving the Prez with bad intel and trying to mislead us into a war, though the assassination after that did match the description of a coup.

What I'm trying to say is it's blatantly obvious that the repugs were running on 'Dems weak on foreign policy and national security'. A lot of info points to them being behind a false flag operation that 'proved' their false allegation. They're now definitely using the attack, false flag or not, for legislative branch witchhunts to attempt to cripple the administration. I don't disagree with you that they wanted to roll tanks down US streets, I just think it would be easier to discover that some rogue repug operators orchestrated the attacks than it would be to expose a coup attempt. If an attempt did occur, I'd love to see it exposed and proven, though.

Our government probably won't prove my bald assertion or your thesis, but we have a better shot at getting some repug 'rogue operators' hung out to dry by discovering their part in the attacks. If our Administration doesn't act overtly on either of our ideas, the action for Dems is to squash those bastards in their bull-shit 'investigative oversight' efforts, by lobbying Dems to attack their hyper partisan balderdash with censure in the Senate and House. And to demand that the repug controlled corporate media stop using our public air-waves to support those treasonous nazis in their efforts.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:11 PM

7. You hit it the other day

It will be a sex scandal...officially, but I think seven days in may is fairly accurate.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:50 PM

11. AFAIC

This driving me nuts.......what does AFAIC stand for??

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Response to DemocracyInaction (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:53 PM

14. As Far As I'm Concerned

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:51 PM

12. No plan B

Im starting to think they were so sure of this, they had no plan B. or at least I hope they don't. It could have been something so small or very big. But the election was not supposed to be legit. They were too shocked and panicked

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:14 PM

15. And they can't go after the Petraeus Affair any more cause that involves many

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Republicans and no democrats. So they come up with conspiracy theories to try and explain it away from the Republican glitterati who are involved. They have tried to tie the Petraeus Affair to Benghazi but all it is doing is helping paint a picture of privilege and sycophancy in elite GOP circles. I hope they keep at it.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:24 PM

17. That's the one they'll HAVE to follow upon, because GF got ahold of secret papers!

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:36 PM

20. Both the FBI and CIA are investigating that now. GOP in power

are all about privilege and selfishness. Those twins were addicted to it. It is a disease. The GOP will continue to have scandal after scandal.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:27 PM

18. Lindsey is up for reelection in 2014

This is cover for him as he is going to have to go all in on the DREAM act. Projection is just the method.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:35 PM

19. !!!

not known for going on my knees for much, but I PRAY that all Hell Breaks Loose on these lower than amoeba soul-less pieces of shit, and they go the wayof the Dodo bird.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:46 PM

21. McCain plays politics, but I don't think he would be involved in stealing an election

or anything outright illegal. He's got plenty of flaws, but that's just not in his character, IMO.

Graham...dunno enough about him.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:12 PM

32. Wasn't he involved in an ethics scandal?

I don't know if clean is exactly the word here.

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Response to AndreaCG (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:14 AM

34. Ya he was, I think it was the Keating Five. n/t

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:35 AM

36. The only repug of the 5, and the only one who's still in power.

He also was cheating on his wife with a beauty queen 'lobbyist' named Vicki Iseman, and improperly interfered with the FCC to get her firm's client a transfer of a PBS station license to private for-profit ownership.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:38 AM

38. Unfreaking believable! You guys sure are more in

the know than I am! The more I know about this man the deeper my disgust in him!

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:33 AM

40. For repugs, Knowledge of = Disgust for.

Nobody can know everything about them. You and all of us only can get and keep a piece of the picture in our heads.

The repug operation is like a thousand-tentacled octopus, every slimey appendage engaged in wrong doing and fascism. It would take a computer like 'Deep Thought' with a thousand camera inputs to keep track of all of their bad evil ethically corrupt moves.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:06 PM

24. Do you want to go further down the rabbit-hole? Read on:

The Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) is reporting today that President Barack Obama has accelerated the purge of US Military officers involved in a coup against his regime by the “firing in disgrace” of former Four-Star Army General and current Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) David Petraeus yesterday.

According to this report, after his refusal to meet at the White House with Obama this past week, US Federal Forces loyal to the President stopped General Petraeus’ vehicle in DuPont Circle in Washington D.C. yesterday (Friday) morning whereupon a short gun battle ensued (Washington D.C. police are reporting this incident as an attempted robbery). General Petraeus was, then, apprehended, brought before Obama and forced to resign in disgrace over his supposedly admitting to an extramarital affair.

General Petraeus’s toppling follows similar attacks by the Obama regime in the past 3 weeks that has seen the unprecedented ouster of many top US Military leaders including Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette, US Army General Carter Ham, Brigadier General Jeffery A. Sinclair, and US Navy Commander Joseph E. Darlak, all of whom we had previously reported on in our reports “Obama Coup Plot Slams Into Russia” and “Obama Fires Top Admiral As Coup Plot Fears Grows.”
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http://www.eutimes.net/2012/11/obama-topples-top-coup-leader-after-washington-gunbattle/
(Apologies if this site is a whacked one!)

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:45 PM

30. Wow, thanks...at first I thought the link had to be The Onion, was I ever wrong. Are coup

theories based in reality or are they of the "birther" ilk?

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:13 PM

33. All the brass fired? I think there's much truth. Would also explain O's off-kilter 1st debate.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:13 PM

26. I'm lost. I don't understand what it is they were plotting and didn't get away with, sorry. n/t

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:17 PM

27. Read right above you.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:44 PM

29. Can I have a link to your much attacked theory? I haven't been paying much attention.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:54 PM

31. It also sounds a lot like "The Bay of Pigs"...

Nixon was assumed to beat out JFK in the 1960 election, and the Bay of Pigs operation had been orchestrated by the CIA prior to JFK taking office. When the operation failed, JFK was severely blamed for the failure and accused of collusion with the Communists.

I'm not saying Benghazi itself was a planned operation, but the operations surrounding it, as well as the impact of the anti-Muslim film, may not have transpired as was hoped by the hardline neocons.

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