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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:50 AM

Seven states qualify for secession response from White House

The petitions for secession from the U.S. filed by Texas, Louisiana, and five other states have collected more than 25,000 signatures each, which the White House website says is enough for review and response.

WASHINGTON - Citizens from more than 40 states have filed petitions with the White House seeking to secede from the union, and by Wednesday, seven states had gathered enough signatures to qualify for a response to the largely symbolic protest.

The petitions, which have been signed by a small percentage of state residents, have virtually no chance of succeeding. The United States' bloodiest conflict, the 1861-1865 Civil War, erupted after 11 states withdrew from the union.

The White House has set up a "We the People" page on its website that allows Americans to file petitions on issues of concern. If a petition collects 25,000 signatures, the website says, the administration will review and respond to it.

http://news.msn.com/politics/seven-states-qualify-for-secession-response-from-white-house-3

I wonder how many of these petitions my moronic brother has signed.

Also, I love this one from the article: A counter-petition has been filed calling for the state capital Austin to secede from Texas and remain part of the United States.


Probably the same 25,000 on all seven petitions.

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Reply Seven states qualify for secession response from White House (Original post)
liberal N proud Nov 2012 OP
Live and Learn Nov 2012 #1
ejpoeta Nov 2012 #2
Motown_Johnny Nov 2012 #3
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #5
Motown_Johnny Nov 2012 #4
Ligyron Nov 2012 #8
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #9
Live and Learn Nov 2012 #13
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #14
lunatica Nov 2012 #6
Iris Nov 2012 #7
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #10
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #20
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #27
Iris Nov 2012 #36
Liberal In Texas Nov 2012 #28
JHB Nov 2012 #11
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #15
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #16
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #18
JHB Nov 2012 #22
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #24
JHB Nov 2012 #30
Ligyron Nov 2012 #12
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #25
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #17
BelleCarolinaPeridot Nov 2012 #26
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #29
BelleCarolinaPeridot Nov 2012 #31
John2 Nov 2012 #19
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #23
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #21
newspeak Nov 2012 #37
SidDithers Nov 2012 #32
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #33
catbyte Nov 2012 #34
Hugin Nov 2012 #35
MineralMan Nov 2012 #38
Jennicut Nov 2012 #39

Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:52 AM

1. Can't wait to see those responses. lol nt

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:52 AM

2. 25000 is enough for a response? what percentage of the electorate is that? how patriotic is that

anyway? people who claim to be so patriotic want to secede? friggin move to another country if you don't like it here. that's what you told the rest of us.

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Response to ejpoeta (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:55 AM

3. that is the way they set up the website, it has nothing to do with the electorate

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Response to ejpoeta (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:57 AM

5. It doesn't promise a review of the status of the state

just that the President will respond.

It really is an act of protest for the sorest of losers and nothing more. But you have to give the White House credit for giving these fools a shoulder to cry on.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:56 AM

4. how about a one word response

"No"

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:01 AM

8. Exactly

What I was thinking

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:01 AM

9. I imagine the Presidents response will be more like this...









Then he will let Biden have the last one:

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:10 AM

13. +1 nt

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:15 AM

14. I was thinking "don't let the door hit you in the ass"

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:58 AM

6. I'm not going to get my hopes up

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:59 AM

7. More than half the signatures on the two online petitions I saw in Georgia were people from out

of state.

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Response to Iris (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:03 AM

10. Yea, my brother lives in Colorado and is pushing this crap on his facebook page

I am sure he has signed all of them.

What he doesn't realize is it could jeopardize his changes of getting back to his high security clearance job with the government.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:27 AM

20. how could he have had a high clearance job & not understand that? i think it's pretty spelled out

 

when you sign on?

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:40 AM

27. He is so pissed off about the election, I don't think he cares at the moment

Or he may have decided that he isn't going to try to get back into that line.

Of course, it is all Obama's fault that when he retired from the military that he didn't get right back on as a private citizen doing the same job. Last I had heard, was that he was still trying to get back in, so maybe this is changed. Never the less, if he signed any of these or even the promotion of them on his facebook page could put an end to that.

He as proved for many years that Military Intelligence is an oxymoron.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:23 PM

36. That's an interesting angle I hadn't thought of - State employees in Georgia are required

to sign a statement saying they don't intend to overthrow the government. Hmmm.....

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Response to Iris (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:43 AM

28. And that's the point, it's an INTERNET petition, they're freeped like any other.

I sure some RWers have signed all the states with a petition multiple times.

It's really meaningless to the wishes of states residents.

I hope this stupid thing dies out pretty soon.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:04 AM

11. Misleading: No STATES have said boo about secession.

The people signing these petitions are individual citizens (and sour-grapeing paranoid ones at that) with no authority to act on behalf of their state.

Just a bunch of blowhards pissing in their beer.

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Response to JHB (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:16 AM

15. Right and think, amazingly, Rick Perry has already spoken out against it.

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Response to JHB (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:18 AM

16. The signers are those that can't get over the devastating loss they suffered

because they were delusional from FOX syndrome and actually believe their candidate had a chance.

They can't face the fact that those people who lie to them every day could be wrong!

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:24 AM

18. This was actually really cruel to do this to these people. My wingnut Fox-only watching inlaws

throughout the entire election period ALWAYS thought Romney was ahead...that was all they heard. Hopefully, now, they will open up their minds to looking at information on a broader basis. And it hurts us too - instead of having them be aware of all Romney's shortcomings and gaffes and cruel attitudes toward the less fortunate - and knowing this caused the loss - they think Obama stole it.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:28 AM

22. They were inFOXicated.

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Response to JHB (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:35 AM

24. FOXicated can be the name for what these people are suffering.

An inebriation from relying on the FOX network as your only source of information.

Symptoms: Delusion, depression and anxiety and a loss of reality, fabricated from the misinformation fed constantly through the hypnotic waves from the screen in your living room.

People who are FOXicated believed before the election that their candidate was going to win and following the election are in a state of denial about the facts that they were lied to and the reasons their candidate was beat so soundly.

I like the term FOXicated.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:14 AM

30. There's also FOXtipated...

...which highlights that they are in pain because they're backed up and overstuffed with crap, yet can't let it go.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:04 AM

12. Besides

Most of those states would be third world countries without the Federal guv'ment.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:36 AM

25. And then they would expect foreign aid from the United States



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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:19 AM

17. The Seven: Texas, Louisiana, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Tennesse - Hey

where's Mississippi ??

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:36 AM

26. I'm NC born & bred but I'm staying!

Looks like all of these idiots didn't read up the history of the Civil War. Dummies.

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Response to BelleCarolinaPeridot (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:48 AM

29. I truly thought Obama would take NC....must have been really disappointing to you

too. What do you think changed since 2008?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:48 AM

31. I thought Obama was going to win NC as well. The momentum was high with OFA NC

It was VERY disappointing on election night hearing that NC turned back red. I LOVED the diversity of everyone on the North Carolina for Obama team. But sadly I think that the NEGATIVE ads against Obama worked for the GOP and scared their base into thinking that Obama hasn't brought any jobs to NC - government doesn't create jobs BUT there are TONS of jobs coming back to NC. And then there were tons of stories I heard of people across the state that were given a hard time at the polls - my mom included. She was told to fill out a special form due to change of address which was a lie. So nope, I'm not convinced that Romney truly won in NC.

Obama won in Guilford County (where I reside) and for that I can be proud. I was driving around town near UNC-G that Sunday after the first debate (when feelings were low for all of us) and in the residential area I saw numerous Obama-Biden signs and I felt great again. I hope the President knows that he still has our support in NC. Hope he comes back numerous times during his second term. Shook his hand (and Biden's too!) in 2008 and I will never forget it.

But these people that want to secede here in NC, I will glady help them pack and leave!

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:24 AM

19. This

 

whole argument about secession is unConstitutional. You have to have a referendum voted on by the citizens of each state. Then the legislatures of each state would have to vote. A State like North Carolina wouldn't approve of secession if you go county by county and see which ones President Obama won. It would not pass in the counties where North Carolina have their largest cities because each county voted for President Obama.

Take the capitol city of Raleigh which lies in Wake County. President Obama won that county by some 50,000 votes which wasn't even close. Then you move to Mecklenberg County which has North Carolina's largest City of Charlotte which has over 700,000 people. President Obama won that county by over 100,000 votes. Charlotte is North Carolina's largest city and Raleigh is the second largest.

President Obama also won the counties that has Greensboro,Winston Salem,Durham,Asheville and Fayetteville by significant margins. None of those counties would vote to secede from the Union and all of them have a significant minority population in those cities.

Before the Old South seceded, they voted on a referendum by each county and the news papers in those states also supported secession. Every major news paper in North Carolina supported President Obama. So the notion that North Carolina would secede from the Union is stupid and would not be supported. North Carolina's State Supreme Court is also dominated by Democrats. North Carolina's Secretary of State is a Democrat also. The best thing for a citizen of North Carolina who wants to secede from the United States is to flee the country and denounce their citizenship. That would be more easier if that is what they want to accomplish which should be the President's answer.

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Response to John2 (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:29 AM

23. Exactly, it is nothing more than a silly protest mechanism

The sorest of losers from the election are all putting their names on some web sites database in protest of the fact that they were lied to and still don't realize it.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:27 AM

21. Don't like it in the US? Then start packing, and leave your passport at the gate. nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:28 PM

37. no, no i think they should allow these yahoos to present it to their state legislators

make it serious enough, to allow the rest of the sane citizens to come out and protest their arses. hey, i think nevada had a petition also. we've got some teabaggers, paulites here too. but, we went blue and the rest of the citizens in this state would be shutting the blowhards down.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:54 AM

32. And the response should be "No."...nt

Sid

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:18 AM

33. A simple "No" should he a suffixient answer. n/t

 

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:19 AM

34. I'm sure that Dr. Seuss, the great Democrat that he was, wouldn't mind this:

Sorehead Baggers Will You Please Go Now!

"Sorehead Baggers will you please go now!
The time has come.
The time has come.
The time is now.
Just go.
Go.
Go!
I don't care how.
You can go by foot.
You can go by cow.
Sorehead Baggers will you please go now!
You can go on skates.
You can go on skis.
You can go in a hat.
But
Please go.
Please!
I don't care.
You can go
By bike.
You can go
On a Zike-Bike
If you like.
If you like
You can go
In an old blue shoe.
Just go, go, GO!
Please do, do, do, DO!
Sorehead Baggers
I don't care how.
Sorehead Baggers
Will you please
GO NOW!
You can go on stilts.
You can go by fish.
You can go in a Crunk-Car
If you wish.
If you wish
You may go
By lion's tale.
Or stamp yourself
And go by mail.
Sorehead Baggers
Don't you know
The time has come
To go, go, GO!
Get on your way!
Please Sorehead Baggers!
You might like going in a Zumble-Zay.
You can go by balloon . . .
Or broomstick.
Or
You can go by camel
In a bureau drawer.
You can go by bumble-boat
. . . or jet.
I don't care how you go.
Just get!
Sorehead Baggers!
I don't care how.
Sorehead Baggers
Will you please
GO NOW!
I said
GO
And
GO
I meant . . .
The time had come
So . . .
Sorehead Baggers WENT."

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:27 AM

35. My reply...

These people are free to give up their Citizenship in the United States of America at any time they choose.

Individually.

At which point all rights and privileges of U.S. Citizenship would cease and they would become Illegal Aliens in territory sovereign to the United States.

Now, if they would like to keep driving, they may proceed to get a driver's license from U.S. States which offer them, if they qualify. But, the usual restrictions of valid insurance and other ID would remain in effect.

'nuff said.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:02 PM

38. Once again, No State has Petitioned to Secede.

Not a single one. Individuals have started each and every one of these petitions, and there is not even any restriction on who signs them, so signers do not even have to be from any particular state.

The White House response should be quite simple: "There is no constitutional path to secession, and if there were, it would not be via citizen petitions signed by 0.1% of any state's population. Further, these petitions are not even signed exclusively by residents of the states they purport to represent. Sorry."

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:35 PM

39. Even if a state ever seceded from the US, it would face insurmountable problems.

This article puts it very well:

"The federal government would obviously stop sending money to the states. Most of the red states — now the “New Confederacy” — had heretofore taken more federal aid than they paid back in federal taxes. South Carolina, for example, takes $1.38 in federal money for every dollar it pays in federal taxes. Louisiana takes $1.45 for every dollar it pays into the system. Talk about moochers and freeloaders. By the way, this money is redistributed from other states, including the blue states with their abortion-on-demand and evil healthcare mandate. After secession, that gravy train would cease to exist. Farmers, corporations, small businesses, universities and law enforcement would crumble without federal aid — grants, contracts, matching funds, tax breaks, etc.

If the reality of losing federal money wasn’t enough to convince the New Confederacy to stop behaving like petulant, tantrum-throwing children, then an array of more hard-core sanctions would begin. It’s likely the power grid, pipelines, shipping lanes and, yes, satellite and internet communications would be summarily blocked by the U.S. government. The confederacy would be totally cut off from the rest of the world. Meanwhile, without federal regulations on food safety, clean water, clean air, and without the CDC, rampant disease would spread across the confederacy. How would northern medical equipment and pharmaceuticals reach the seceded states? Inflation would skyrocket as demand for dwindling supplies increased. Black-marketeers would spring up in every town.

The solidly blue areas inside the seceded states — Austin, for instance — would be the Texas equivalent to West Berlin in the heart of East Germany. We’d have to airlift supplies to those areas and hope that hoards of desperate and well-armed suburban and rural warlords didn’t swoop in try to swipe the supplies. Needless to say, there would be a large scale humanitarian crisis."
http://inthecapital.com/channels/the-reality-of-secession-and-unicorns/

It would suck for them. Oh well.

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