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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:19 AM

Would it be bad for America if the GOP became irrelevant?

I want to know everybody's opinion on whether we would be better off or not if that party shrinks. Most politicos know that so far, current demographic trends are looking hostile for the Republican Party's chances of winning future elections. Combine that with their current platform, and they are at risk of becoming a minor party in the future. I have heard a number of pundits and a few DUers make the argument that it would be unhealthy for our democracy if one of the 2 major parties dies off. But my question to them is regarding precisely why that would be bad for the country. The GOP has been responsible for making it more inconvenient for low-income people to vote. They impeded the president's jobs plan which would've created millions of jobs. And they have an agenda that includes opposing women's right to choose, secularism, marriage equality, taxing top earners at a fair amount, socialized health care, unions, Affirmative Action, and funding for public education.
What do Republicans have to offer the country besides saying "no" to everything?
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Reply Would it be bad for America if the GOP became irrelevant? (Original post)
Jamaal510 Nov 2012 OP
putitinD Nov 2012 #1
graham4anything Nov 2012 #2
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #3
Amaril Nov 2012 #21
freshwest Nov 2012 #4
dchill Nov 2012 #5
defacto7 Nov 2012 #6
Raksha Nov 2012 #7
MADem Nov 2012 #8
Mothdust Nov 2012 #9
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #11
Mothdust Nov 2012 #24
Johonny Nov 2012 #22
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #10
MrSlayer Nov 2012 #12
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #27
Selatius Nov 2012 #31
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #13
Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #19
ToxMarz Nov 2012 #14
davidn3600 Nov 2012 #15
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #28
Motown_Johnny Nov 2012 #16
SmileyRose Nov 2012 #17
brooklynite Nov 2012 #18
Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #20
Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #23
moondust Nov 2012 #25
Skittles Nov 2012 #26
jonthebru Nov 2012 #29
graham4anything Nov 2012 #30

Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:23 AM

1. thats the best think that could happen to America

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:25 AM

2. it would be wonderful for the country

 

plenty of other parties disappeared since the founding of the country

and remember, in FDR's time, the constitution stated unlimited terms for a President.
It was solely because FDR was a democrat that the law changed.

Long as people keep voting FOR someone why should that person not be allowed to continue?

Long as there are votes, it does keep people honest

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:25 AM

3. The world works best when there is a balance

When the Soviet Union went down it opened the door for US out of control democracy building.
However it only works if both sides are sane.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:01 PM

21. ^^ This! ^^ (n/t)

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:48 AM

4. The GOP is nothing but a front organization for certain business interests. Those interests will...

find another brand to run under. Since 2010, there is no GOP, there is only the Tea Party. That is what is on the ballots and how the media identifies them, but they're GOP. Those who want to seem cooler than the Tea Party have now gone home to the Libertarian Party. The GOP has already left in name, but there is no difference really. The Koch party would be more honest than this shell game.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:51 AM

5. The Democrats would probably split between liberal and conservative lines.

We really don't need a party that caters to hateful, dishonest, under-informed mongers.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:00 AM

6. One way to look at it is,

that argument gets reasonable results if results for the American citizen is the goal. If there are other goals that are not in the interests of the citizens then there is no argument, it's demanding the wishes of the minority. It could be said that there are enough talking points among Democrats alone to keep us working on reasonable goals without the other party. But then, a one sided unchecked power machine has the unfortunate selfish side effect of becoming either stagnant or becoming the thing we have been voting against... something tantamount to a plutocracy.

It's hard to determine if we as a one party system could keep our vision in the interest of all citizens. I would like to think we humans are ready to pull it off.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:05 AM

7. I think they have been a minor or regional party for some time now.

They are being kept on life support by the corporate media and the Democratic Party, who treat them with a seriousness they stopped deserving a long time ago.

When I walked out of the voting booth on Novbember 6th, it suddenly hit me that the Republican Party is pretty much....nothing. I mean, who do they represent, really? I thought to myself, "Republicans--three R's and a P. Rich people, racists, religious fanatics and psychopaths, that's who they represent."

That's not a demographic that can win a national election ever again. Maybe there was such a thing as a "principled Republican" at one time, but any surviving examples of such creatures have long since left the GOP and become Democrats or Independents.

Time to pull the plug on 'em.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:28 AM

8. Tories, Whigs, Bull Moosers, Federalists, etc....

To everything there is a season.

Maybe it's time for the Republicans to fade into the sunset, and be supplanted by some other party that rises to prominence.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:45 AM

9. the california ballot

Had quite a number of alternative parties and candidates, including rosanne bar. I don't know what rosanne's party stands for, but It's got to be better than GOP !

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Response to Mothdust (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:59 AM

11. Here's some info on Rosanne's party: Peace and Freedom Party

Peace and Freedom Party

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Platform

From its inception, Peace and Freedom Party has been a left-wing political organization. It is a strong advocate of protecting the environment from pollution and nuclear waste. It advocates personal liberties and universal, high quality and free access to education and health care. Its understanding of socialism includes a socialist economy, where industries, financial institutions, and natural resources are owned by the people as a whole and democratically managed by the people who work in them and use them.

-snip-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_and_Freedom_Party



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:02 AM

24. wow! thanks : )

Having traveled in Denmark, sweden,and the Netherlands this summer, the peace and freedom party sounds like a good replacements for GOP. Sweden is and advanced society, and we could tell by all the shoppers in their stores and the unbelievable quality of their food and product design, that their economic is strong. - and they seem to not lack rich people either!

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Response to Mothdust (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:22 PM

22. Having listened to rosanne on Stephenie Miller a few times...

she is kind of Victoria Jackson from the left. She didn't make me want to know more about her party or her knowledge of politics. It was sort of conspiracy theatre lite.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:58 AM

10. Not at all, it would create a vacuum and make room for another populist party.

 

Like the republican party of the mid 19th century. That's also why the Democratic Party will never allow it to happen.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 05:02 AM

12. Ask the Whigs.

 

I'd love to go with a more parliamentary government.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:58 AM

27. It would certainly fix the "two parties vying for the apathetic voters" rut n/t

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 04:13 AM

31. You could only break the two-party monopoly by imposing a majority rule for elections.

(i.e. you require that a candidate for a seat in the House or Senate must win more than 50% of the vote or face a run-off)

If you did this in Congress, in a decade or two, the two-party monopoly would be finished.

As it stands, only requiring that the winner get the plurality and not a majority for the seat invokes Duverger's Law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

If it were a race between a right-wing Democrat, a far-right Tea Partier, and a left-wing Green Party candidate, you would vote for the candidate closest to your ideal, and if he does not win the first round of elections, then you vote for the alternate. In this example, you would likely vote for the Green Party in the first round, and if that candidate loses, you throw your vote behind the right-wing Democrat to prevent the Tea Partier from winning. In this manner, you don't have to worry about splitting the vote and handing victory to the total opposite of what people wanted, like George W. Bush in 2000.

A faster version of this is called IRV or instant run-off voting. That's like the above example, but it's done in one election, not two.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 05:07 AM

13. We need a two-party system of center left and far left. nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:27 PM

19. I like the way you think.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:45 AM

14. Corporate money would just go to Democrats then, and they would be just as bad.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:51 AM

15. Democrats would be watered down into a moderate party

You are thinking that if the GOP goes away that all their voters will just disappear?

All the moderates and moderate Republicans would start running as Democrats. And it would prevent liberals from winning in primaries. The party would start to drift to the center.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 03:02 AM

28. No, one of the conservative "third" parties would take them up.

The GOP as it exists, is fueled by generational hatred of Democrats and "those people" that tend to support the Democrats. That's not going to fall over and die.

They just join the Libertarian party. or constitutional. Pinkertons vs. Ayatollahs, I wonder who'll win!

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:58 AM

16. It would be a good thing. The party is corrupt and effectively broken

it needs to be replaced by a group of more moderate conservatives.

Unfortunately that seems to be a large portion of our party. Once a viable alternative is offered we may need to restructure also.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:02 AM

17. short term it would be wonderful - long term not

We need the tension between 2 parties to keep everyone on their toes

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:04 AM

18. This is a silly question...

First of all, it is overly simplistic to say that Republicans offer nothing than "no". The Republican Party does and will continue to appeal to people who (in non-social issues) don't want to be told what to do and don't want their earned money going to someone other than them for what they PERCEIVE as services they don't benefit from. And this philosophy appeals to approximately half the Country. If the Republican Party disappeared, some other political party would emerge to replace it.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:31 PM

20. "Became"? 50 years after the invention of the pill, they still want it outlawed.

Nearly a century after the scopes trial, they want science classes to teach our children that the Earth is 6,000 years old.



They "became" irrelevant a long time ago.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:16 PM

23. I meant "irrelevant" as in being unable to compete in nat'l elections.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:51 AM

25. Historically, I think one-party rule has usually ended up with some tyranny.

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That's always a danger.

However, I think most of those parties were not too diverse and either started out being intolerant or became intolerant as they realized, were corrupted by, and abused their unchallenged power.

I tend to think the Democratic Party of today, with the current primary system and recognition and acceptance of independents like Bernie Sanders, is probably diverse and accommodating enough to avoid any danger of tyranny. In fact, just tonight in her interview with Rachel Maddow it was nice to hear Nancy Pelosi describe how she and her caucus operate on a bottom-up consensus basis (unlike the apparent top-down Republican corporate/lockstep/military/dictatorial model). But as others have pointed out, either another major party would form or the Democratic Party would split or something so there would still be elections offering voters a choice.

I've often felt that anything to the right of, say, the Blue Dogs has no redeeming value in 21st Century politics and should be relegated to fringe group status.

Good question. Thanks for posting.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:56 AM

26. NO

they are on the wrong side of history on EVERY ISSUE

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 03:19 AM

29. The GOP as we know it is being propped up by a group of tycoons.

If and when they withdraw their support the party will fail. Another political party will rise to take its place. It has happened before. Parties have split, parties have disappeared. The Democratic Party could easily split in 2 there are after all both liberal and conservative Democrats.

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Response to jonthebru (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 03:51 AM

30. Tycoons is too kind. The GOP bigwigs border on a crime syndicate boss.

 

starting with the old Vegas with the red shoe polish in his hair, Sheldon.
and the Murdoch syndicate (as seen by their illegal tactics in the UK).

and then the court jesters they hire to promote their crap and propaganda to the masses
Goebbels style

and yes, the tycoons like Trump who like publicity as much as their billions.

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